Will there be a collision physics overhaul in GT5? Answer: Yes.
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Since Gran Turismo is the global showcase for dozens of manufacturers, including Ferrari which is evidently the hardest car maker to deal with, you can safely bet that they're going to set the bar, and Polyphony will have no choice but to follow it. They won't do like Turn 10 and have different levels of damage for different car makes, and probably some cars suffering roll overs while others don't. Rather than have a chintzy damage implementation as we see in Ferrari Challenge, we might have a GT5 which only has damage on race cars and tuners.
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Ferrari will probably set how high PD can jump, or if none of the manufacturers do that then i hope i can make cars do barrel rolls, cart wheels and flips into the air at high speed.Also as previously mentioned please remove the invisible walls they are not needed anymore.
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+1 on NO MORE INVISIBLE WALLS! I grouched about that back in 2005 when I yearned to go exploring the GT4 rally stages.
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thanks for those two video's look very promising..
couple of things the AI didnt seem to take aversive action to avoid the pileups basically with alot of time to react..
however the AI lines they took for some of the overtaking in the 2nd video looked really good..
the lack of AI spinning on impact from player seemed a bit weird also
couple of things the AI didnt seem to take aversive action to avoid the pileups basically with alot of time to react..
however the AI lines they took for some of the overtaking in the 2nd video looked really good..
the lack of AI spinning on impact from player seemed a bit weird also
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I watched the video on first page of gtplanet, I gotta tell ya NOT impressed with damage. First off it looks almost the same in every shot I have seen so far,the door pops open bumper falls off. There looks to be no signifant loss of time on track, or mechanical damage. A race car that took shots like the Suby did at Tokoyo would be done,no continuing. It is an improvement over GT past games,but still looks "bumper car" to me.Slowed temporally but continue on ,and the AI cars were hardly slowed at all. If thats all for damage why bother?
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agreed. ai isnt taking any evasive maneuvers.
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Whilst that video of the actually collisions does look better than previous GTs its still no patch on Forza 2 let alone Forza 3 in my opinion (having said that the damage and collisions in Forza 3 videos I've seen so far look worse than Forza 2s, I just hope there bad videos and it will be at least as good as Forza 2s). The cars still seem to bounce off each other or walls in a rubber like fashion 
. That was acceptable in 1998 but not 2009.
As for the actual damage... Quite frankly its abysmal after all this time. The doors and bonnet open, great. The bumpers half fall off, ok. But unfortunately it just looks like the cars been poorly built rather than been involved in an acident! Also note the bonnet I've seen in videos never actually moves at all when its open. The damage as will the driving if its like previous GTs is sterile. I feel bad for the GT die hards who believed KY when he said he was waiting to do damage that would do the rest of the game 'justice'. The usual PR BS they've been spouting since GT2. From what I've seen in the videos it doesn't look like the car deforms and theres almost no scratches or anything to speak of. Then its said the damage isn't even for all the cars
But theres a 1000 cars you say! Well yes but 700 will be recycled from GT4 so they've made 300 cars in 5 years and only added half baked 'damage' to 170... And knowing GT 50 of them will be versions of the new GTR with different coloured cup holders...
To be honest in my opinion unless Turn 10 completely balls up Forza 3, PD have handed the console racing (oh sorry driving) simulator crown to Turn 10 on a silver plate. Way to go guys! I've got an Xbox 360 and a PS3, I've preordered the collectors edition of Forza 3 I'm not even thinking of buying GT5 at launch now. Will buy it when it goes down to GT6 prologue money
I wish PD would remember to create a game first and a polished graphical demo second.
Theres still time for them to fix some things but we've waited what 5 years? In which time Forza 1, 2 and 3 will have come out.
. That was acceptable in 1998 but not 2009.As for the actual damage... Quite frankly its abysmal after all this time. The doors and bonnet open, great. The bumpers half fall off, ok. But unfortunately it just looks like the cars been poorly built rather than been involved in an acident! Also note the bonnet I've seen in videos never actually moves at all when its open. The damage as will the driving if its like previous GTs is sterile. I feel bad for the GT die hards who believed KY when he said he was waiting to do damage that would do the rest of the game 'justice'. The usual PR BS they've been spouting since GT2. From what I've seen in the videos it doesn't look like the car deforms and theres almost no scratches or anything to speak of. Then its said the damage isn't even for all the cars
But theres a 1000 cars you say! Well yes but 700 will be recycled from GT4 so they've made 300 cars in 5 years and only added half baked 'damage' to 170... And knowing GT 50 of them will be versions of the new GTR with different coloured cup holders...To be honest in my opinion unless Turn 10 completely balls up Forza 3, PD have handed the console racing (oh sorry driving) simulator crown to Turn 10 on a silver plate. Way to go guys! I've got an Xbox 360 and a PS3, I've preordered the collectors edition of Forza 3 I'm not even thinking of buying GT5 at launch now. Will buy it when it goes down to GT6 prologue money
I wish PD would remember to create a game first and a polished graphical demo second.Theres still time for them to fix some things but we've waited what 5 years? In which time Forza 1, 2 and 3 will have come out.
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The one thing I hope is that physics are finessed a bit for the street cars so that they behave as if crumpled in a collision, rather than like indestructible billiard balls. And so far, this does seem to be the case. Other than that, I'm plenty happy with damage only on race cars. With that, we won't have the situation as in a certain other game in which different cars and even makes have differing levels of damage.
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Car damage (& roll over) just on the race cars, would still offer a huge amount of racing depth - as much as most other games provide in total.
I would be quite happy to see minor cosmetic damage implemented on all the cars, even if they can't get smashed up "properly". In good, close racing with competent & experienced participants (as IRL) you almost never have major collisions, but there are often little bumps & scrapes - it would be nice to see the results of this kind of contact showing on the cars, so that you know you've been in a race - surely no manufacturer would object to that? This mix of damage may seem like a rather inelegant & un-PD like approach, but realistically speaking, it may be the only way to move on, deal with the practical limitations & actually start implementing damage in some form.
In addition, I would certainly hope that all the cars exhibit much improved collision physics.
One other minor point: it would be nice to see a little more "animation": clouds, trees, birds etc. moving. Surely easy to implement (it's in a lot of other games) & a good way to make the environment seem less "dead".
I would be quite happy to see minor cosmetic damage implemented on all the cars, even if they can't get smashed up "properly". In good, close racing with competent & experienced participants (as IRL) you almost never have major collisions, but there are often little bumps & scrapes - it would be nice to see the results of this kind of contact showing on the cars, so that you know you've been in a race - surely no manufacturer would object to that? This mix of damage may seem like a rather inelegant & un-PD like approach, but realistically speaking, it may be the only way to move on, deal with the practical limitations & actually start implementing damage in some form.
In addition, I would certainly hope that all the cars exhibit much improved collision physics.
One other minor point: it would be nice to see a little more "animation": clouds, trees, birds etc. moving. Surely easy to implement (it's in a lot of other games) & a good way to make the environment seem less "dead".
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Whilst that video of the actually collisions does look better than previous GTs its still no patch on Forza 2 let alone Forza 3 in my opinion (having said that the damage and collisions in Forza 3 videos I've seen so far look worse than Forza 2s, I just hope there bad videos and it will be at least as good as Forza 2s). The cars still seem to bounce off each other or walls in a rubber like fashion
As for the actual damage... Quite frankly its abysmal after all this time. The doors and bonnet open, great. The bumpers half fall off, ok. But unfortunately it just looks like the cars been poorly built rather than been involved in an acident! Also note the bonnet I've seen in videos never actually moves at all when its open. The damage as will the driving if its like previous GTs is sterile. I feel bad for the GT die hards who believed KY when he said he was waiting to do damage that would do the rest of the game 'justice'. The usual PR BS they've been spouting since GT2. From what I've seen in the videos it doesn't look like the car deforms and theres almost no scratches or anything to speak of. Then its said the damage isn't even for all the cars
To be honest in my opinion unless Turn 10 completely balls up Forza 3, PD have handed the console racing (oh sorry driving) simulator crown to Turn 10 on a silver plate. Way to go guys! I've got an Xbox 360 and a PS3, I've preordered the collectors edition of Forza 3 I'm not even thinking of buying GT5 at launch now. Will buy it when it goes down to GT6 prologue money
Theres still time for them to fix some things but we've waited what 5 years? In which time Forza 1, 2 and 3 will have come out.
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I still don't believe you can fishtail other cars.
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I still can't believe the tires flew all over the place.
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I still can't believe it's not butter...
Sorry the opportunity just came up and I couldn't pass on it.
Sorry the opportunity just came up and I couldn't pass on it.
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Whilst that video of the actually collisions does look better than previous GTs its still no patch on Forza 2 let alone Forza 3 in my opinion (having said that the damage and collisions in Forza 3 videos I've seen so far look worse than Forza 2s, I just hope there bad videos and it will be at least as good as Forza 2s). The cars still seem to bounce off each other or walls in a rubber like fashion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7u2tGf2txA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi_dgnwKv9A
Why yes, the collisions and looks of my dreams.
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Oh yes, in real life when you crash head-on you blast up into the sky - what a beautiful way to catch the scenery!
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You mean an unstoppable force hits an immovable object.
The answer? No one will ever know, but i imagine it wouldnt be pretty. Probably some kind of glitch in the matrix, and there would be a universal reboot
LOL i remember doing this in Forza 2, yeah its pretty unrealistic but then again so is the situation.
Fun as hell though, well atleast for 5mins anyway.
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This is what he was talking about.
The gamescon demo shows improvement but still no where near as real as FM2 (that flying thing was caused by the anti-roll system where the rotation was stopped and converted to verticle momentum)
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THANKYOU. THIS video says what I wanted to explain in words.
Up until now, a collision in GT saw all the energy and inertia transfered from one car into the other, while both car's directions were solidly held in place. The result was extremely predictable collisions where the offender can safely get away with slamming an opponent at 30, 80, 150 mph closing speeds, knowing that you will be STABILISED, and slowed to the victim car's correct entry speed, and they will be cannoned off the track. This is what I wanted to be changed, and it has been. 👍
Too early to say how good it is from the current videos, imo.
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It has improved substantially over that video but from what I have seen it is far from right in my opinion.
Luckily they still have time to work on it.
Luckily they still have time to work on it.
What Polyphony should have done is knock on the door of Codemasters and buy the Racedriver Grid Engine. The is just so much more fun than GT because it feels much more dynamic, and i had some nice intense races (cant really say that of GT) and the online mode works great. Only problem is it does not have as much cars as GT, and i want some sort of GT mode and street cars.
Imagine PD making a GT game on the Grid engine:
- Grid graphics (might not be so good as the GT5 gfx but still good enough considering the good points of the engine).
- Grid damage
- Grid's dynamic circuit style (with all the parts around the track being able to move/bend/crash)
- GT driving physics instead of Grids arcade style driving
- GT game mode (just the car buying stuff instead of Grid its season system, although i like that one aswell).
- GT tracks
Making a Gran Turismo game on the Grid engine sounds like a good idea to me, but for some reason PD wants to spend year to make a good damage engine with collision physics that already exists for 2 year.
Imagine PD making a GT game on the Grid engine:
- Grid graphics (might not be so good as the GT5 gfx but still good enough considering the good points of the engine).
- Grid damage
- Grid's dynamic circuit style (with all the parts around the track being able to move/bend/crash)
- GT driving physics instead of Grids arcade style driving
- GT game mode (just the car buying stuff instead of Grid its season system, although i like that one aswell).
- GT tracks
Making a Gran Turismo game on the Grid engine sounds like a good idea to me, but for some reason PD wants to spend year to make a good damage engine with collision physics that already exists for 2 year.
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GRID graphis are downward ugly (especially the hideous postprocessing, similar to the yellow sort of unreal tint in Forza). The damage also seems nice, but in reality isn't as polished, as you would like to think (altough I agree, it really looks nice and no one has come closer tho reality than them yet). Besides it would be a waste too just see another clone of GRID with more cars and tracks.
As for collisions - I see your point, those collisions are really much better handled, no doubt about it. Pity that, just like in GTA IV, the engine is not done well enough (as in: ther are some shortcuts done), as you can see in videos similar to what I have posted (and like in GTA, where car nicely shifts it's weight around the corner, but it's connected to the controller input rather than real weight transfer calculated by the physics) and that's not a good thing. Hopefully both parties (PD and T10) will come with good solutions to this problem.
As for collisions - I see your point, those collisions are really much better handled, no doubt about it. Pity that, just like in GTA IV, the engine is not done well enough (as in: ther are some shortcuts done), as you can see in videos similar to what I have posted (and like in GTA, where car nicely shifts it's weight around the corner, but it's connected to the controller input rather than real weight transfer calculated by the physics) and that's not a good thing. Hopefully both parties (PD and T10) will come with good solutions to this problem.
