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Willow Spring Raceway in 2014 Corvette Trailler
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If that video is GT6 footage. I'm very disappointed.
Seriously, some of the sand banks have straight edges :|
I'd say it looks like it's rendered in the GT5 engine and it would of been done a while ago I would imagine.
Seriously, some of the sand banks have straight edges :|
I'd say it looks like it's rendered in the GT5 engine and it would of been done a while ago I would imagine.
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Oh, I certainly could be wrong, and I wouldn't be terribly disappointed if I am.
But I've thought for a while now that GT6 will be out at the very end of PS3's life cycle for 2 very big reasons. 1) (and the biggest for business) is to take advantage of PS3's install base. Can you imagine how long it would take for PS4 to get anywhere close to 70-80 million potential customers for PlayStation's biggest exclusive franchise?
And 2) GT5 was one of the very first PS3 games in development. It's grapjics engine was fully completed LONG before developers like Naughty Dog, Guerilla Games, Insomniac, Santa Monica and others really unlocked the programming secrets of the PS3. Small updates could be and were patched into GT5 to improve visuals, but there's not alot you can do with patches. The engine needs to be torn down to add in any REAL upgrades to graphical tech.
Kaz is the kind of guy who has something to prove, and with the way GT5 was praised for content but ripped apart critically for graphical flaws compared to other PS3 exclusives that came out before GT5 but because of GT5's rediculous delays, but were in fact far new software than GT5, he's going to want to show what he can really do with the PS3 hardware before moving on to new hardware.
And the fact is, to be out at a big selling time before PS3 starts losing players to PS4, it would have to be out this Fall/Christmas season. And PD is a company that CAN keep their stuff secret, and so is Sony when they want to be (personally I think most of the famous Sony leaks are leaked by Sony themselves, purposely). Kaz has said he started work on GT6 as soon as GT5 was done....I doubt he was working with PS4 then. This Fall will be 3 years they've been working on GT6 then. It's not beyond possibility that GT6 comes out this Fall/Christmas 2013. In fact, it would make the most sense.
Even if I were right with all this speculation I doubt we'd know until E3 anyway....or until this track releases as GT5 DLC I suppose, lol.
All of that along with the fact that I think this new video shows far deeper, richer and more realistic looking textures on the environment than previous GT5 promo videos....even from those blurred stills, it just looks better and newer, leads me to believe this video leads me to believe this video was built on GT6's promo video engine, not GT5's.
But I've thought for a while now that GT6 will be out at the very end of PS3's life cycle for 2 very big reasons. 1) (and the biggest for business) is to take advantage of PS3's install base. Can you imagine how long it would take for PS4 to get anywhere close to 70-80 million potential customers for PlayStation's biggest exclusive franchise?
And 2) GT5 was one of the very first PS3 games in development. It's grapjics engine was fully completed LONG before developers like Naughty Dog, Guerilla Games, Insomniac, Santa Monica and others really unlocked the programming secrets of the PS3. Small updates could be and were patched into GT5 to improve visuals, but there's not alot you can do with patches. The engine needs to be torn down to add in any REAL upgrades to graphical tech.
Kaz is the kind of guy who has something to prove, and with the way GT5 was praised for content but ripped apart critically for graphical flaws compared to other PS3 exclusives that came out before GT5 but because of GT5's rediculous delays, but were in fact far new software than GT5, he's going to want to show what he can really do with the PS3 hardware before moving on to new hardware.
And the fact is, to be out at a big selling time before PS3 starts losing players to PS4, it would have to be out this Fall/Christmas season. And PD is a company that CAN keep their stuff secret, and so is Sony when they want to be (personally I think most of the famous Sony leaks are leaked by Sony themselves, purposely). Kaz has said he started work on GT6 as soon as GT5 was done....I doubt he was working with PS4 then. This Fall will be 3 years they've been working on GT6 then. It's not beyond possibility that GT6 comes out this Fall/Christmas 2013. In fact, it would make the most sense.
Even if I were right with all this speculation I doubt we'd know until E3 anyway....or until this track releases as GT5 DLC I suppose, lol.
All of that along with the fact that I think this new video shows far deeper, richer and more realistic looking textures on the environment than previous GT5 promo videos....even from those blurred stills, it just looks better and newer, leads me to believe this video leads me to believe this video was built on GT6's promo video engine, not GT5's.
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Love Willow Springs GP, it's such a bad-ass track. Far from boring IMO. Just wait until you tackle those off-camber sweepers in a Yellowbird! 
Also been wanting to have a desert track in GT for a long time.
If they're smart they'll release it as a DLC with all the smaller tracks of Willow Springs included as well.
However, I'll believe it when I see it. We still haven't seen that Swiss mountain road they like to use in videos.
Also been wanting to have a desert track in GT for a long time.If they're smart they'll release it as a DLC with all the smaller tracks of Willow Springs included as well.
However, I'll believe it when I see it. We still haven't seen that Swiss mountain road they like to use in videos.
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IF they do release it AT SOME UNDETERMINED POINT IN THE FUTURE, I agree that it would make sense to release the 3 tracks in the same way as they released the multiple tracks for Motegi before. But there's still a limit to what can be done with new tracks because of the constraints of the game surrounding it (particularly the unchanged career mode) which stops more people buying the new tracks and using them.
Personally, I chose to buy Speed Test and Motegi before and would probably buy Willow Springs if it was available, because in the end it cost less than a trip to the cinema and I spend more than a movie length amount of time using the DLC releases before I got bored and moved on to something else, so I feel I get enough of my money's worth, and because by buying the DLC it hopefully encourages them to make and release more for us to enjoy.
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Personally, I chose to buy Speed Test and Motegi before and would probably buy Willow Springs if it was available, because in the end it cost less than a trip to the cinema and I spend more than a movie length amount of time using the DLC releases before I got bored and moved on to something else, so I feel I get enough of my money's worth, and because by buying the DLC it hopefully encourages them to make and release more for us to enjoy.
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Personally, I chose to buy Speed Test and Motegi before and would probably buy Willow Springs if it was available, because in the end it cost less than a trip to the cinema and I spend more than a movie length amount of time using the DLC releases before I got bored and moved on to something else, so I feel I get enough of my money's worth, and because by buying the DLC it hopefully encourages them to make and release more for us to enjoy.
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but I agree 
...I just have not gotten board for a while now 
It might have started development first but it wasn't done until 2010. You have no idea when the graphics engine was finished and fully optimised but it surely wasn't years before. GT6 has not been announced yet, they are not going to announce and release a AAA game within six months. Secondly everyone and their dog knows PS4 is going to be announced at E3 at the latest. Do you really think they're going to announce a next gen console then announceGT6 as a PS3 game? No.
I really don't know what you're seeing in that trailer, it's all the same as other GT5 videos pre-rendered. Watch the E3 2009 video.
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This is a great point that I had not thought of.
Don't mind the running man, he will ignore any point you try to make.
When GT6 does come out you will be welcome to join me in the biggest "I told you so" thread in the history of gtplanet.
I did not ignore his points, I replied to those that I could with logic. The point about user base proves nothing. You still haven't told me when a PS3 game will be announced and when it'll be out that'll make sense with a PS4 announcement.
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This is a great point that I had not thought of.
Don't mind the running man, he will ignore any point you try to make.
When GT6 does come out you will be welcome to join me in the biggest "I told you so" thread in the history of gtplanet.
Hahahaha, everything about this is gold.
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I am 75% sure we will see this track in GT5. Maybe not tomorrow with the corvette, but soon. Remember the Acura NSX concept video? While we didn't get the car, we did get the featured track, SSRX, which was not the first sighting of thst track. If you watch the 2.0 intro, you can see it twice. Once wear the beginning with a few X1s going past, and at the end with the X2? pulling away from the camera.
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The NSX was supposed to be revealed at Detroit but it was delayed. If I am not mistaken, Acura/Honda needs more time to develop the hybrid powertrain. In addition they realized that the reaction to the design was slightly less positive than they wanted, so they are tweaking a couple of things (exhaust/lower rear vents, grille/beak and some finer details).
These changes inhibit PD from putting a version of it in GT5.
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Love the Vette, but we need more tracks. Bring on Willow Springs and the Kart Track:tup: I'd pay for that in a heartbeat
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GT5's engine was complete in 2008. After Prologue it was all content and fixes. The only changes to the graphics engine from Prologue were things being tuned DOWN for optimisation purposes I can only assume. None of the Sony 1st party studio breakthroughs for Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, Resistance 2, God of War 3, Heavy Rain had been fully developed in time to be integrated into GT5 at all. None of that stuff hit till 2009, which is when GT5 should have originally come out....when graphically it wouldn't have looked so bad. But to come out close to 2 years after that stuff is what makes GT5 looks FAR less impressive.
Imagine taking GT5's current graphics and content and properly integrate the kind of texture and anti-aliasing tech from GoW, Lighting software from Uncharted/Last of Us, memory allocation and real-time physics and particle technology from Killzone......this stuff is shared with Sony studios, and is fairly easily integrated into existing engines when they are "opened up".......Right there you have visually a product that looks leaps and bounds beyond GT5. You throw in some more tracks, some new car models and tweak some UI, and there you have another 12 millions units sold with GT6 on PS3.
The alternative is once again new hardware to have to figure out with a gun to your head, and a smaller install base...which means less profit for your hard work. I think a last minute GT6 on PS3 makes far more sense on various levels.
As to your other point, yes, at the end of a console generation you can easily announce a AAA game 6 months before it's released. Both console have 80 million potential customers that don't need more than 6 months to plan to buy a game. And it's not that strange at all for a game to be revealed at E3 to be released that following holiday season.
Also, you don't know for sure PS4 is going to be revealed at E3. And even if it is that wouldn't change any plans through early 2014 for PS3, a console would CERTAINLY not be one of the cases where it's coming out 6 months after the E3 reveal. PS4 won't be on the market till Spring 2014 at the earliest and more likely Fall 2014. There's no reason Sony couldn't reveal GT6 for PS3 (especially if it's really impressive, and won't be a long wait) to come out before Christmas 2013, and also reveal PS4 with a date some time in 2014 at the same E3. I don't think the two would affect each other. Especially if PS4 is backward compatible....which I can't imagine it wouldn't be.
Remember, there are still a TON of big games coming this gen. Alot of which don't even have dates yet but we know will be current gen. Then there's THEIR DLC cycle......... I don't think this gen is in reality going to end as quickly and abruptly as you and alot of other gamers seem to think is going to happen after this Fall. I'm not expecting the new hardware to hit market till Fall 2014. Nintendo didn't come strong with Wii U.....it really is catch-up hardware contrary to what alot of fans on the web say. So Sony and MS are under no pressure for new hardware from Ninty, and I don't think there's any pressure from us gamers for new hardware....only expectation from us. The only pressure for new hardware is from a few high end developers.
To cut my typically very long posts short.....there's still PLENTY of time for GT6 to be on PS3, and I believe that will be the case. Kaz said both that GT6 work began right after GT5 was done (probably because he was pissed he was getting critiqued for graphics, so wanted to start encorporating new tech into GT5's engine ASAP), and he also said that GT6 development wouldn't take NEARLY as long as GT5's which was 5 years. Well this Fall will be 3 years...............
My logic is making sense to me at least.....as convoluted as it may be.
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That's been the biggest bugbear of GT5 is too little tracks. Its nice to see PD adding more (should we have it as DLC). Either way even if we see it only for GT6 its nice to know that it is coming.
I hope we get more info in the coming days and weeks.
@ LarryL, I agree IMO GT6 as a PS3 release make much more logical and financial sense then a PS4 release. If HT6 is a PS4 release we won't see it for another 3 years and a while after the PS4 is out.
I hope we get more info in the coming days and weeks.
@ LarryL, I agree IMO GT6 as a PS3 release make much more logical and financial sense then a PS4 release. If HT6 is a PS4 release we won't see it for another 3 years and a while after the PS4 is out.
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Willow Springs Facebook official confirmation:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Willow-Springs-International-Raceway/121752837070
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Willow-Springs-International-Raceway/121752837070
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If anything, their comment about Forza 5 sort of hints at inclusion in there too, since nobody has seen anything at all about Forza 5... publicly.
It doesn't confirm anything about us ever getting to play it in GT5, though, Articuno; only that it is indeed in the video. Curiouser and curiouser. I do wonder if we'll get it, or if this crazy idea of GT6 being a PS4 launch title within the next year is where we'll actually get to drive it. Either way, nice to have confirmation from the WS people themselves 👍
It doesn't confirm anything about us ever getting to play it in GT5, though, Articuno; only that it is indeed in the video. Curiouser and curiouser. I do wonder if we'll get it, or if this crazy idea of GT6 being a PS4 launch title within the next year is where we'll actually get to drive it. Either way, nice to have confirmation from the WS people themselves 👍
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Yes, but after viewing and comparing the trailer to real-life footage, it was always pretty obvious that it is Willow Springs, no?
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Think about it for a second. PD is REALLY good about keeping things locked up, and usually only lets things slip when they actually plan on handing it out. I doubt they would use a track that they are waiting to use for GT6 in a video for a car that we'll be getting in less than 24 hours for GT5. Just doesn't make sense to me.
If we're not getting the track this week, I expect it relatively soon.
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*cough cough*, and a lot of us still remember that old Red Bull blog post.
Not that I disagree; I'd assume, and almost prefer, if we get the track now instead of waiting what's sure to be a long time for GT6, but just wanted to entertain what's fast become a popular theory. And on the other hand, giving us a track now means one less new one to introduce with the next game.
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