- 10,403
- GTP_Spag69
- spagetti69
Wrist ache playing Prologue - Wheel Time!!
- Thread starter PAPPACLART
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Ah well, I'll just have to eliminate the need to reverse by not making any mistakes.
- 791
- London
Hopefully it's like grid which is 6-5-4-3-2-1-N-R for the sequential guys.
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- dorihako
- 791
- London
I haven't used them but bassically, the gears in the FFB are Helical and quieter. But it does make its own cluncking sound. The gear shifter is more solid, no light feel, but they got rid of sequential shifting.
There are 6 buttons on the wheel instead of 2 but they are said to be plasticy and toyish and easy for your hands to slip and activate them.
The pedals have 3 places so that if you want to move them to the side ect. you can.
Since I haven't used them, I can't comment on FFB.
EDIT: Bassically every good point is cancelled out with a 'but' apart from pedals.
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- 1,096
- Wattsterplus
- XML Binging Language?
I would recommend the G25 if you can get one anywere at a good price. I picked up mine around the time the G27 was launched and it only cost me about £110 delivered.
I believe a few lucky guys picked it up for £99 at play.com last year.
I did try the G27 and honestly couldn't justify double the price at the time. It's a great wheel, but not that big a jump from a G25.
I believe a few lucky guys picked it up for £99 at play.com last year.
I did try the G27 and honestly couldn't justify double the price at the time. It's a great wheel, but not that big a jump from a G25.
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- 1,835
- West Virginia
- EERS4YEARS
They are comparable but the G27 is much better.
G25's wheel is noisy, and feels notchy. When it calibrates it sounds like it about to come apart! The G27 is about silent. Also, the shifter feels like garbage compared to a G27's.
The one thing that is really important is the adjustable G27 pedals which I really like and can be very useful in heel-toe shifting.
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- SigmaViper11
Just got a DFGT. I enjoy it quite a bit, minus the fact that it is for the time being, quite difficult to drift with. I've only had about 12 hours of driving/drifting time with the thing, but it is indeed awesome.
- 10,403
- GTP_Spag69
- spagetti69
Wrist ache when playing GT.
Think it takes car porn to a new level.
Think it takes car porn to a new level.
- 1,945
- Treviglio
- PAPPACLART
- PAPPALCART
Hahaha, and to think the girlfriend is in Italy and I am away from her, and the only wrist ache I have is from GT5P
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- FlourescentBlack and FlourecsentBlack
So I have a friend who I am going to lend my DFGT to as soon as I set up my G27 (Ill start using G27 when GT5 is out so its a new wheel + new physics). The time frame I allotted him (He says 2 hours a day play time) is a week till it doesn't feel akward vs a pad and the wheel stops controlling you. After two weeks you should feel comfortable and be learning to countersteer. 3 weeks and you should have it down and see an increase in laptimes vs a pad + the general finesse bonus to actually using a wheel vs a pad. After 4 weeks you should be hooked and reject the idea of ever going back to a pad. This is assuming that you play with a single car.
Best thing about a wheel is the cars are so much more diverse in their individual feel. Cars you like you will like more and cars you dislike you like less. Of course givin the dedication you can learn any car. It's much harder to play musical cars with a wheel but your mastery of any particular one feels a lot better.
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- England
- SCUD77
I bought my dfgt today from Argos ( £71) it is my first ever wheel ! I have been a 100% pad user and I am within about half a second of 1st on hsr with the clio v6 (online leader board) using pad.
With the 1st go on the wheel I am as fast as with a pad (comparing against my time trial times) in prologue, the pedals feel fine and not cheep at all. to be honest the g27 is no competition for this wheel when you take the price difference into account, you could buy the dfgt and a wheelstand for less than the g27 yes it has a six speed and a clutch but it is not yet known if it will be fully compatible with gt5.
I will attack my time for the clio on hsr tonight and come back with the results.
I am 100% happy with the dfgt and would recomend it without hesitation P.D and Logitech did a good job on the dfgt
With the 1st go on the wheel I am as fast as with a pad (comparing against my time trial times) in prologue, the pedals feel fine and not cheep at all. to be honest the g27 is no competition for this wheel when you take the price difference into account, you could buy the dfgt and a wheelstand for less than the g27 yes it has a six speed and a clutch but it is not yet known if it will be fully compatible with gt5.
I will attack my time for the clio on hsr tonight and come back with the results.
I am 100% happy with the dfgt and would recomend it without hesitation P.D and Logitech did a good job on the dfgt
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- FlourescentBlack and FlourecsentBlack
^ DFGT is worth the upgrade to if you are a pad user. After you get used to it you'l never go back to pad.
- 2,096
For your budget, it's the best wheel you could get. You'll be quite happy with your purchase.
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- CygnusZero
I dont have any ache issues using the controller. I have a g25 but I actually like playing with analog sticks more.
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- England
- SCUD77
I like it already after 1 afternoon of ownership !
like you say it will need a little time to master, it's not like having to 100% re-learn though (which was my only concern before buying the dfgt) just a few things are done differently,
- 2,112
- xNEVER-ONEx
I would love to have a wheel, but I only have a budget big enough for either a HDTV or a wheel, plus, I dont have the room for a wheel.
- 1,414
- redrobin347
You are lucky, i am having to relearn. I feel like a GT virgin haha. Are you driving with professional physics? I just knocked out day 4 with the wheel and i am starting to catch the car alot better now from spinning. My laps times are also improving. It has gone from annoying to fun. Can't wait till i start catching my pad times.
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- SigmaViper11
Then again, I have the DFGT, but never got wrist ache. Maybe carpel tunnel.
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- Phoenix, AZ
- GTP_Snaeper
I just recently picked up a G27. Was looking for a DFGT but Fry's Electronics only carried the G27. Before I could talk myself out of it, I went and put it on the ole' Credit Card and have been fairly happy with it.
One suggestion someone made in another thread is to start right off in the Ferrari F40 because if you can drive that you can hop into most other vehicles fairly easily.
After that I would recommend AWD cars like the Evo or STI. I'm still having difficulty driving RWD cars... even the Tuned Suzuki Cappuccino. I think one of the best ways I'm going to experiment with is to get in an AWD car and slowly dial the power towards the rear wheels, then hop in a RWD car and see how I fare.
I just hope GT5 has full support for the G27! I want LED's and paddle shifters although the gated shifter is a good deal of fun to drive, especially when I can just skip whole gears while decelerating.
Also, to those considering a wheel: Your lap times will be less than spectacular right off the bat (as stated earlier). Simpler tracks will have less of a varying margin, ex: I did some runs on High Speed Ring Reverse in the R34 GT-R and the difference between my times on the pad and my times on the wheel were .007, almost mirror with the pad leading. On the other hand, when I did some laps on Eiger in the STI I saw a 10 second difference in my fastest laps between the wheel and pad, with the pad leading. I'm sure I'll get better, but I'm enjoying driving all the different cars instead of specializing.
One suggestion someone made in another thread is to start right off in the Ferrari F40 because if you can drive that you can hop into most other vehicles fairly easily.
After that I would recommend AWD cars like the Evo or STI. I'm still having difficulty driving RWD cars... even the Tuned Suzuki Cappuccino. I think one of the best ways I'm going to experiment with is to get in an AWD car and slowly dial the power towards the rear wheels, then hop in a RWD car and see how I fare.
I just hope GT5 has full support for the G27! I want LED's and paddle shifters although the gated shifter is a good deal of fun to drive, especially when I can just skip whole gears while decelerating.
Also, to those considering a wheel: Your lap times will be less than spectacular right off the bat (as stated earlier). Simpler tracks will have less of a varying margin, ex: I did some runs on High Speed Ring Reverse in the R34 GT-R and the difference between my times on the pad and my times on the wheel were .007, almost mirror with the pad leading. On the other hand, when I did some laps on Eiger in the STI I saw a 10 second difference in my fastest laps between the wheel and pad, with the pad leading. I'm sure I'll get better, but I'm enjoying driving all the different cars instead of specializing.
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- FlourescentBlack and FlourecsentBlack
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- Reximusmaximus
Is the regular Driving Force any good, and does anyone know if the DF-EX is compatible with PS3?
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- blenderernz
I've been using wheels with racing games for the past 8 years, and there is no other way I could imagine racing these games now. I've gone through plenty of wheels over the years but 3 years ago I was given a G25 by a friend for organising online racing and helping to create a MOD through modelling etc. The G25/G27 is fully worth the extra money but if it's something that you can't afford then you will be happy even with a relatively cheap wheel set.
The one thing I found when first starting with a wheel was that I was really struggling to keep the car straight, especially coming out of the corners and I also found myself locking up the brakes quite often coming up to a turn. It took me a while to figure out what I was doing wrong, but in the end it all comes down to driving the car as smoothly as possible. The best advice I can give is to remember that you don't have to slam on your brakes coming into a corner, the reason you have the pedals is so that you can smoothly brake into the corners just like you would if you were driving a real car. If you slam on the brakes then you're gonna lock it up. Same goes when accelerating out of the corners, doing this smoothly will have the wheels keeping traction and you'll be keeping the car in straight line in no time. Flooring a 400+hp car out of a corner is generally not going to work both in real life nor in a sim game like GT.
Good luck with your wheel purchase, keep at it because once you get that hang of it you'll never look back. 👍
The one thing I found when first starting with a wheel was that I was really struggling to keep the car straight, especially coming out of the corners and I also found myself locking up the brakes quite often coming up to a turn. It took me a while to figure out what I was doing wrong, but in the end it all comes down to driving the car as smoothly as possible. The best advice I can give is to remember that you don't have to slam on your brakes coming into a corner, the reason you have the pedals is so that you can smoothly brake into the corners just like you would if you were driving a real car. If you slam on the brakes then you're gonna lock it up. Same goes when accelerating out of the corners, doing this smoothly will have the wheels keeping traction and you'll be keeping the car in straight line in no time. Flooring a 400+hp car out of a corner is generally not going to work both in real life nor in a sim game like GT.
Good luck with your wheel purchase, keep at it because once you get that hang of it you'll never look back. 👍
Even though im a d-pad racer through and through, my brother just bought a wheel stand pro and DFGT. GREAT COMBO. Its perfect if you dont want/cant afford a huge racing seat and cant be bothered setting up the table infront on the TV all the time. Folds up, folds away, and he got it all (delivered) for less that $500au. Its a great set up for the price.
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the downside to getting a wheel is you'll want to upgrade more n more n more n more, etc. ad nauseum.
so i was playing racing games with pads, and they always felt so restrictive. well, i was like, let me try the DFGT. i figured i'd make it work on my lap. got it, and started enjoying it, but my lap wasn't sturdy enough. so ok, let's start digging around the house (caution: wife will kill you). went and bought a trestle from ikea. it was nice but still felt ghetto. ok, let's check craigslist. found a playseat + xbox 360 steering wheel for $150. sold the 360 wheel for 60. SOOOO, ended up with a playseat for $90 (which retail for upwards of $300).
anyways ... moral of my broken-a$$ story is: be prepared to get more than the wheel if you go that route. unless you've already got the tables/chairs at home.
so i was playing racing games with pads, and they always felt so restrictive. well, i was like, let me try the DFGT. i figured i'd make it work on my lap. got it, and started enjoying it, but my lap wasn't sturdy enough. so ok, let's start digging around the house (caution: wife will kill you). went and bought a trestle from ikea. it was nice but still felt ghetto. ok, let's check craigslist. found a playseat + xbox 360 steering wheel for $150. sold the 360 wheel for 60. SOOOO, ended up with a playseat for $90 (which retail for upwards of $300).
anyways ... moral of my broken-a$$ story is: be prepared to get more than the wheel if you go that route. unless you've already got the tables/chairs at home.
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Sounds like your posture when driving is poor. I used to get this a lot, especially when sitting "too low" relative to the wheel - I think it helps if your hands are level with or lower than your shoulders when you race, unless you have a proper seat with good back and shoulder support (which is recommended anyway.) Maybe the shifter is too far away, or too high.
Another thing is seat depth and leg angle with the pedals. If you can't sit all the way back when you race, you're obviously going to have fatigue issues.
I know it can be difficult to get a "proper" set-up at home sometimes, but it should at least be comfortable!
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