You don't like fords????
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I like the Fords we get in Europe.
Mmmmm powered by Cosworth.
Mind you that's why I like the Ford Escort rally car, the only cosworth engined car in the game. I'm not too sure about the Focus Rally car though, but it's pretty neat as well.
Mmmmm powered by Cosworth.
Mind you that's why I like the Ford Escort rally car, the only cosworth engined car in the game. I'm not too sure about the Focus Rally car though, but it's pretty neat as well.
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Ford is okay. They make a lot of ****ty cars though.
Like:
Ford Escape
Ford Explorer
Ford Expedition
Ford Excursion
Lincoln Aviator
Lincoln Navigator
Mercury Mountaineer
Mazda Tribute
Land Rover Freelander
Land Rover Discovery
Land Rover Range Rover
Ford Ranger
Ford F-150
Ford F-250
Ford F-350
Ford Focus
Ford Taurus
Ford Crown Victoria
Lincoln LS
Lincoln Town Car
Mercury Sable
Mercury Grand Marquis
Mercury Marauder
Ford Windstar
Ford Econoline E Series
Mazda MPV (Sorry MazKid, but it is a minivan.)
You may notice that I left out all Jaguars, all Volvos, all Aston Martins (Ford owns that, right?), and nearly all Mazdas.
If I left anything off the list that you think deserves to be there, piss off.
Like:
Ford Escape
Ford Explorer
Ford Expedition
Ford Excursion
Lincoln Aviator
Lincoln Navigator
Mercury Mountaineer
Mazda Tribute
Land Rover Freelander
Land Rover Discovery
Land Rover Range Rover
Ford Ranger
Ford F-150
Ford F-250
Ford F-350
Ford Focus
Ford Taurus
Ford Crown Victoria
Lincoln LS
Lincoln Town Car
Mercury Sable
Mercury Grand Marquis
Mercury Marauder
Ford Windstar
Ford Econoline E Series
Mazda MPV (Sorry MazKid, but it is a minivan.)
You may notice that I left out all Jaguars, all Volvos, all Aston Martins (Ford owns that, right?), and nearly all Mazdas.
If I left anything off the list that you think deserves to be there, piss off.
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But Ford owns Jaguar. It's a Ford.
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Yep, any Holden is a GM.
GM > Ford.
GM > Ford.
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OK. Sure the Range has an incredibly horrible safety sheet and guzzles fuel, but slap on some 26"s, a few TVs, a bomb system, and you'd be pretty darn happy.
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I don't like the Focus, but it's a pretty good car. Especially the SVT Focus.
ok what pisses me off is how people think just cause a company OWNS that company, it doesn't make it a ford car. Just because Infinity is owned by Nissan doesn't mean that if I were to put a G20 into a race it'd be a Nissan race car. By the way, the Jaguar race cars in Trans Am...Are built by JAGUAR, yes Jaguar is owned by ford..But the car is a JAGUAR.
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Originally posted by Rice Rocketeer
OK. Sure the Range has an incredibly horrible safety sheet and guzzles fuel, but slap on some 26"s, a few TVs, a bomb system, and you'd be pretty darn happy.
Are you serious?!
While I'm at it why don't I just wear cheez whiz on my head?
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You've contradicted yourself countless times in the one post. I'll try to keep up.
Infinity is really owned by Nissan--it's mopre of a subdivisino. A G20 is still a Nissan.
When it comes to Jaguar, yes it is a Jaguar, and yes it is owned by Ford. I'm sure Ford has some say in what cars roll of the line with the Jaguar name.
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i agree...British Fords are good American Fords are shyte
What? Just because they're SUVs doesn't mean they're bad - both are setting new standards for Ford in terms of quality. They're also blandly styled; I like that.
Disagree on all four - though by admitting they're cancelling Aviator for 2005 they sort of admit they don't want to sell any in 2004. How stupid. Navigator is perfect for what it is. Mountaineer kicks ass, even if it is a glorified Explorer. Tribute is Escape's good-looking twin.
You've obviously never been in a new Range Rover. Agree on both the Disco and Freelander - competely overpriced and dated. And why can't Freelander have the brakelights in the body like a normal vehicle?
You're crazy.
Both are perfect for what they are.
I'm only taking offense based on your reasoning. I agree it has no place in the minivan segment.
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Klos the MPV only has a Ford engine, the rest is Mazda. The Tribute is mostly Ford, as is the B-series. All other Mazdas are Mazdas, though some(the 6, the MPV) have Ford engines. Ford owns 33.3% of Mazda.
I'm not a fan of Ford. I do like the Probes though, but they were manufactured by Mazda for Ford.
Ford has a dangerous Explorer, and the Crown Vic can blow up in a rear end accident. And Ford plans to make many cars off of the much better Mazda 6 platform which is unfair since it is Mazda designed.
And damnit, the MPV is a minivan! Why won't you look at it! You 2 put it in the same class as the Premacy, which is wrong. It's a minivan, a nice one too.
I'm not a fan of Ford. I do like the Probes though, but they were manufactured by Mazda for Ford.
Ford has a dangerous Explorer, and the Crown Vic can blow up in a rear end accident. And Ford plans to make many cars off of the much better Mazda 6 platform which is unfair since it is Mazda designed.
And damnit, the MPV is a minivan! Why won't you look at it! You 2 put it in the same class as the Premacy, which is wrong. It's a minivan, a nice one too.
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What's so dangerous about the Explorer?
There was a safety recall in 1998 for a potential sticking throttle cable amongst the 4.0 V6s in the USA - not in the rest of the world - and the tyre they use, manufactured by someone else entirely, has been shown to undergo tread separation at high speed, pressure & temperature. All known incidents occuring on the vehicle happened in Saudi Arabia in 1998.
We had one for 6 months. Damn fine car. I believe the latest ones have a V8 in there too.
There was a safety recall in 1998 for a potential sticking throttle cable amongst the 4.0 V6s in the USA - not in the rest of the world - and the tyre they use, manufactured by someone else entirely, has been shown to undergo tread separation at high speed, pressure & temperature. All known incidents occuring on the vehicle happened in Saudi Arabia in 1998.
We had one for 6 months. Damn fine car. I believe the latest ones have a V8 in there too.
) i like most fords but the focus is my exeption.
Not good - from what I hear its only standout quality is the new more powerful engine!
B-series has been called the Mazda Truck for two model years now - get with it.
- The Explorer isn't dangerous. Being the most popular SUV on the planet, it's going to have some problems in some situations - Firestone was a major (and corrected) problem in which the dealer network and a tyre company were just as at fault as its parents.
- Sales of the current and previous-generation Crown Victoria, second only to the Mk3 Mazda RX-7 in likeliness to catch fire in a high-speed rear-end collision, fell almost twenty percent last year (the Mercury Grand Marquis, its twin, fell about 35%). As evidence that Ford has sucked, currently sucked, and will always suck, they are going to leave it unchanged probably until model year '07. You heard right - sales are rapidly declining so their strategy is to do nothing about it. It was supposed to get a makeover relatively soon (on the LS platform) but Ford was unable to afford it and shelved the plan.
- It's not unfair for a car company's parent to use a platform that one of its offspring designed. Ford owns more in Mazda than anybody else and they've helped Mazda out immensely in both North America and Europe concerning brand identity and advertising recently - Mazda owes Ford for it.
It's the smallest minivan in the US, including Kia's.
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In the US, the tyre problem was a bit worse - over 230 cases, in fact, and at least 100 deaths were attributed to it. Firestone, the tyre company involved, had its name dragged through the mud and their biggest client, Ford, no longer uses their tyres.
Since first appearing in 1991, various versions of the Explorer 5-door, the Explorer Sport 3-door, and the Explorer Sport Trac pickup have gone through 31 recalls through 2002 - so they've been given a bit of a bad name. Some of the recalls, though, have been absolutely bogus - the driver's door may not sustain a specified load (I'll be sure not to lean on it), if a vehicle is jump-started and a cable is attached to the fuel-line bracket, the car might catch fire (who attaches the cable to the fuel-line bracket?), and certain off-lease vehicles from Canada sold in New England do not have daytime running lights meeting US standards (we're talking about literally 75 vehicles here).
Not sure how it went in Britain, but an outdated, poorly-engineered V8 appeared on US Explorers as early as 1996.
Ford owns majority interest in Mazda, having more than anybody else.
Originally posted by Thio
The Jaguar X-Type isn't that impressive, and basically it's a Ford Taurus with AWD, that's all. I don't know why Jaguar did that though
I agree that it's not impressive - at all - but you've got it all wrong. For one, it shares literally nothing with the Ford Taurus - several of its components come from the European Ford Mondeo which is something of a continuation of the Ford Contour/Mercury Mystique we saw in the US from 1995 to 2000.
They did it in order to compete with the BMW 3-series, specifically the 325 and 330Xi all-wheel drive models. Sadly, they failed miserably - if there's any one company where Ford's influence has been detrimental, it's bee Jaguar.
The problem with 3-series competitors is simply that nobody has been able to offer anything near the range of BMW's models. Lexus offers one engine and two body styles of their IS300, Jaguar has two engines but only one body style, and Mercedes has two engines and three very boring seperate styles - BMW offers two different types of drive wheel configurations, four body styles, and three engines. The only exception to this statement is Audi who offers three engines, two drive wheel configurations, and three body styles and is said to be coming out with a coupe (below) very soon.
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M5Power, in a automotive show that aired here in the Bay Area, they compared the BMW 318ti and the Audi A3. They said that the A3 beats the 318ti because of the bigger dimensions internally and the suspension. If the 318ti looked better, then it could of won. wtf? I don't consider that a good reason ...
Heh - no. The Taurus and Contour are on a different platform with different engineers, designers, and even manufacturing facilities. They are completely different vehicles. Observe:
The Contour was a world car - available in over 80 countries while the Taurus, which was a foot and a half longer, was North America-only. They share literally nothing except corporate styling touches.
Aside from being irrelevant I do have a bit to say on this.
For one, the US doesn't get the Audi A3. The only 3-series Compact we got was between 1995 and 1998. To compare that to a current A3 would be stupid; of course it would win. To compare the current 3-series Compact, available in Europe, to the current A3 would be even stupider since the US will never see either car. What's the point?
By the way - the current 3-series Compact has been called ugly by just about everybody with eyes, and I agree - why'd they miss with the brilliance of the normal 3-series? Damn Bangle!
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