You learn something new... - Cars you didn't know existed, until now!

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Barnard BTR7, a supercar from South Africa.

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Wow. IMSA much? Cool.
 
So you want a car with the versatility of an El Camino or a Ranchero but you want to show everyone that you're playing in a different league? Here is the perfect car for you then:
1978 Cadillac Mirage pickup
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Only 204 were built, under the hood a 8.2 l V8 boosting an amazing 200 horses.
 
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So you want a car with the versatility of an El Camino or a Ranchero but you want to show everyone that you're playing in a different league? Here is the perfect car for you then:
1978 Cadillac Mirage pickup
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Only 204 were built, under the hood a 8.2 l V8 boosting an amazing 200 horses.

8.2l V8 engine: Awesome.

Only 200 hp? Not so awesome.

But hey, it's a really interesting model; it is the bastard child of a marriage between an El Camino and an Eldorado. An upscale El Dorado, if you prefer. And it is quite rare, so you got some status behind it.
 
Turns out the Holden Commodore VE WAS actually once imported to Germany of all places....















....As a brand that almost no one ever heard of, and the car itself costed more than 120k Euros.
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The Bitter Vero!

...With a name like that, who would even want to buy that? I know that the German language is different and all, but "Bitter"?!
 
Turns out the Holden Commodore VE WAS actually once imported to Germany of all places....















....As a brand that almost no one ever heard of, and the car itself costed more than 120k Euros.
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The Bitter Vero!

...With a name like that, who would even want to buy that? I know that the German language is different and all, but "Bitter"?!
That is one ugly car. I love how the Commodore VE looked but this is just horrible.
 
I don't understeer why the Hell they did that...

They sell Holden Commodore VE in Auz and NZ.

They imported it to Britain as vaxuhall.
They imported it to US as Pontiac.
They imported it to Middle East and South Africa as chevrolet.

So why the Hell they didn't imported it to Germany as Opel instead of some unknown company?
 
I don't understeer why the Hell they did that...

They sell Holden Commodore VE in Auz and NZ.

They imported it to Britain as vaxuhall.
They imported it to US as Pontiac.
They imported it to Middle East and South Africa as chevrolet.

So why the Hell they didn't imported it to Germany as Opel instead of some unknown company?
Logic. No idea why GM made that stupid a move, I man OPEL is a GERMAN company, so why not export it to GERMANY under OPEL!?
 
Logic. No idea why GM made that stupid a move, I man OPEL is a GERMAN company, so why not export it to GERMANY under OPEL!?
Maybe because it wasn't imported under GM. I'm not sure, but from what I've read, they never imported the Commodore V8 to Germany, because there was a possibility, it couldn't do the speeds of German Autobahns for long without a risk of catching fire.
 
I mean OPEL is a GERMAN company, so why not export it to GERMANY under OPEL!?
I don't understand why the Hell they did that...
So why the Hell they didn't import it to Germany as Opel instead of some unknown company?
Because GM Europe president, Carl-Peter Forster wanted Opel to make its own RWD Sedan.
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/commodore-for-europe-20061020-13zfe.html
Two years ago, when the new Commodore was being developed, there was a hot debate within GM about it being adopted by Opel as its flagship model. That plan was being pushed heavily by GM global product boss Bob Lutz and then-Vauxhall boss, Australian Kevin Wale. But Forster was opposed to the idea. He wanted Opel to develop its own rear-wheel-drive sedan.

His view does not appear to have changed. When asked recently about the suitability of the Commodore for Europe, he said: "In the UK but not really on the Continent, we don't believe so. It is the kind of vehicle better suited to Vauxhall than Opel."
And guess when the RWD Sedan part happened!










Never!
 
...With a name like that, who would even want to buy that? I know that the German language is different and all, but "Bitter"?!

It's "Bitter" because the company is named after the founder: Erich Bitter.

So why the Hell they didn't imported it to Germany as Opel instead of some unknown company?
Logic. No idea why GM made that stupid a move, I man OPEL is a GERMAN company, so why not export it to GERMANY under OPEL!?

A basic Google search would have told you that the Bitter Vero was not imported by GM. Holdens were purchased by Bitter, then imported and sold in Europe by Bitter.
 
It's "Bitter" because the company is named after the founder: Erich Bitter.

A basic Google search would have told you that the Bitter Vero was not imported by GM. Holdens were purchased by Bitter, then imported and sold in Europe by Bitter.

👍 Bitters were pretty well known in Germany, and the rest of Europe to a lesser extent, in the 80's. They were like RUF are to Porsche. They took the top line Opels and re-bodied them and fitted luxury interiors.
 
1987 Oldsmobile Aerotech ST

Indy 500 winner A.J. Foyt set a course record of 257.123 mph (413.788 km/h) on 27 August 1987 at the Fort Stockton test track. The outright top speed of the car was 267.88 mph (431.10 km/h).

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Ok, that looks really sleek. Hard to believe that it's an Oldsmobile of all things, and the fact that it did set speed records is equally incredible. A very cool concept for sure.
 
Fair point, it is VW's private testing grounds after all. But Nardo isn't, if I remember correctly.
Nardo isn't great for record attempts, you lose a few MPH due to the fact that it's a banked corner rather than a flat straight.
 
1977 Mooncraft SHI-DEN

The original SHI-DEN was made in 1977, for the Fuji Grand Champion Series race, and was called "SHI-DEN 77". The car was a big surprise for the race field for its elegant modern stream-lined body cowl, designed by Takuya Yura.

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Said it in the Imports thread, I'll say it again, the MCS77 is one of my favourite racing cars of all time.
 
1987 Oldsmobile Aerotech ST

Indy 500 winner A.J. Foyt set a course record of 257.123 mph (413.788 km/h) on 27 August 1987 at the Fort Stockton test track. The outright top speed of the car was 267.88 mph (431.10 km/h).

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Why wasn't it put in the Guiness Book of Records?
 
Well, then probably @hsv's suggestion of going to Boneville is the best possible one. It seems flat enough to attempt a speed record...

Bonneville most certainly is flat enough, and it's open to be used as it's public land.

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It's flat and long enough for land speed record attempts. The Bonneville Salt Flats hold the fourth fastest overall land speed record, and second fastest of vehicles that are wheel driven. The only place faster overall is Black Rock Desert in Nevada.

The stretch of Interstate 80 immediately east of the Bonneville Salt Flats is also ~35 miles of absolutely straight, flat highway. I doubt the Federal Government would be willing to close down a major thoroughfare freeway for a land speed record, but straight stretches longer than Ehra-Lessen do exist.

There may be other state highways in flat, rural areas that are flat as well that are just as straight and long as that stretch of Interstate 80.
 
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