"You`re not using a wheel, that`s why you suck!" true or false?

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I was told this in no uncertain terms by some cocky know-all kid last night, when I came last by a mile at Spa. :grumpy:

Which begs the question: why do you HAVE to use a wheel to be any good at GT5 online?

The last wheel I used was was the `official` one for GT2 I think & was totally, utterly pants! so I have no desire to waste what very little money I have on another crap wheel that will end up in a cupboard & never see the light of day again. :grumpy:

Plus the fact that I don`t have room for, nor can afford these fancy race cage set-ups, means that I must be about the only person to still use the good old trusty dualshock controller. :guilty:

My problem at Spa was lack of traction exiting corners & major understeer entering them, meaning I had to take corners at 30-40mph or lower, when everyone else was taking them at 60-70mph or higher. :(

Using the same car (Calsonic GTR) at Spa offline is fine, but as soon as you take it online, it becomes undriveable.

Can someone please explain to me why this would be, as I have done nothing to the set up, just taken it from offline to online & it`s a totally different beast.

Is this because I`m using a dualshock, or because I just suck online?

Or should I just not bother going online anymore because I`m not using a wheel?

All input welcome.
 
What control system are you using on the DS3? As in, what do you use to accelerate/brake?

Personally I use :

L2 for braking
L1 for going up a gear

R2 for accelerating
R1 for going down a gear

With that layout I don't have many problems with traction. I use either 6 or 7 steering sensitivity in the driving options and generally I am at the top of the middle group of drivers, or the bottom end of the fastest guys in online racers/time trials, and I'm happy with that considering I don't have £70 to spend on a good wheel.

You're not alone in being a DS3 user. 👍
 
Firstly, cars handle worse online than off.
Secondly, you can be just as fast with a controller and even faster getting out of a crash or correcting a skid if you know what you are doing. I find the wheel more comfortable in long races and better on narrow tracks. If you want proof, check out my FGTC championship. Pagey uses a controller and he has 5 lap records(inc. 6.07 at
NB24hr) and is ranked 2nd out of 18 drivers.
Keep practicing and use the site to help with tuning.
 
COULDN'T BE MORE FALSE!... DON'T WORRY ABOUT JERKOFFS LIKE THAT WHO THINK THEY ARE GOOD BECAUSE THEY PLAY ENDLESSLY ON A WHEEL... Practice does make perfect. I have a wheel and rarely if every use it(basically just used it to help me achieve Platinum).. especially online. Like you said, and it has been discussed in detail here on GTP, online physics are way different than offline.

I'd would not jump to the conclusion that you arn't good, or that you need a wheel to compete.. YOU DON'T... Just a little practice. I use my new silver DS3 at Spa and win at least half the time and never finish off the podium, unless i'm wreaked by dirty drivers or i commit too many unforced errors..

That being said, when Spa came out, for those across the pond(1st), i didn't play on it for the first couple days, then i joined a friend who was in a Spa room and i would barely finish before the end race timer ran out, coming in close to last. Surly everyone who was smoking around Spa then had more laps under their belt, than did i @ the time. Now that i bought the DLC and run time trials at Spa in different cars at varying PP levels, i've all but perfected my line and can get close to a 2:00 LAP @ Spa in any car, around 600pp w/ my DS3. Wheel really only has an advantage over DS3 for cars over 750pp(FGT, ferrari F1s, and X1), and only because DS3 lacks precision at very high speeds.
 
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Thanks for the replys guys, good to know I`m not the only `outcast` so to speak. :)

eNJS: My set up is left stick steering, right stick gas/brake, R2 gear up L2 gear down.

This is purely due to a childhood injury that`s left me with very little natural strength in my right hand, meaning that it`s difficult (& painful) to keep pressure applied to the buttons/triggers, but I can feather the gas with the right stick no problem with my index finger, but do have to pause every 20 mins to let my hand recover. :(

I don`t get that much time to play tbh, but when I do venture online, I always end up at the back, getting bumped & barged by the mid-field & inevitably getting kicked when I complain.

Every (& I mean every) room that I`ve been in, over the past 2 months has kicked me for giving as good as I get in the nudging.

It seems it`s ok for `them` to nudge you, but as soon as you retaliate, they don`t like it & kick you for it. :(

Another reason I rarley go online, as it`s just mindless `boy racers` being total dicks all the time.

It`s ok if you`re up for a laugh, but when you want serious, clean races, it gets tiresome & I wonder why I bother.
 
with the ds3, max sensitivity is important if you want to be as quick as possible. the wheel can turn faster than that, but only by a tiny margin and with great effort. 9 times out of 10 turning this fast will lead to trouble.
 
As everybody else said, you can be perfectly fine with the DS3. It's all about practice either way. The only actual disadvantage I've seen with the DS3 is the goofy way the throttle and brake are mapped so the last 50% of throttle travel is covered by the last 10% of stick/trigger travel. If you can control that you aren't really at a disadvantage.

Racing is a funny sport. The difference between stunningly fast and bog slow is very small. You just need to keep practicing and learning from the people faster than you until you figure out how to make going faster easy. Then you work on consistency. Then you figure out how to be faster. Then you work on consistency....

If you can find someone around your pace you can have plenty of fun racing them, without worrying about wins.

Going online in a new game always seems to bring a "OMG I can't be THAT slow" moment. I've probably got one waiting for me soon too as I've been mostly offline in GT5 lately. No matter, I'm garbage everywhere but perhaps the Ring anyway.
 
phil_75
2.00 min lap at 600PP?

Proof please!
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I don't know why I'd have to prove anything to you? I got a legit platinum, and you're doubting my speed/talent?...My advice to you would be to get off GTP and actually play GT. If you need proof then you're reading too much into it. Besides, I didn't say 2:00 even, I said CLOSE TO, and if 2:04 (in my Scuderia) isn't close then I don't know what is. Quit being a troll and just answer the guys question.
 
ValveEasy
I'm getting a wheel because after all these GT iterations I still suck with the controller.
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It might help, if it makes it feel more natural for you. It might not. It will probably make the game much more fun... but there are those who can't stand using wheels too.

Just don't get a bargain wheel with no/crappy FFB(do they even still make those?). That will do more harm than good.
 
Morgoth_666
It might help, if it makes it feel more natural for you. It might not. It will probably make the game much more fun... but there are those who can't stand using wheels too.

Just don't get a bargain wheel with no/crappy FFB(do they even still make those?). That will do more harm than good.
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Love the name Morgoth \m/

It all boils down to personal preference I reckon.

I use a wheel because I love the realism it provides but I can also use a controller; I am however slower with a DS3

A resounding false for me, People don't suck because of the tool in fact they don't suck at all, what impacts a persons ability is a combination of hand eye coordination, concentration, tuning and the most important thing of all: Time spent playing... If you play all day every day with a DS3 then soon enough godlike ability is sure to follow HOWEVER if you are like most folks and unable to do that it is harder to compete with those that can. I get beaten by DS3 weilding guys on the reg but I beat a bunch too :)
 
Heathenpride
A resounding false for me, People don't suck because of the tool in fact they don't suck at all, what impacts a persons ability is a combination of hand eye coordination, concentration, tuning and the most important thing of all: Time spent playing... If you play all day every day with a DS3 then soon enough godlike ability is sure to follow HOWEVER if you are like most folks and unable to do that it is harder to compete with those that can. I get beaten by DS3 weilding guys on the reg but I beat a bunch too :)
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Truth be told 👍
 
Anyone who says they are good, just because they have a wheel, can sod off. I have one, and I'm not what you'd call a "Pro" with it. The 1 disadvantage with the DS3 though is you cannot turn the wheels physically as far at higher speeds. This is done to prevent quick cars from becoming too wayward on fast straights. Turn at full, and accelerate progressively. As you gain speed, the wheel angle lessens. But usually with a lower entry speed (Which is preferred, unless you're an aggressive J-Hole like me) you can get faster raw laptimes. And a low entry speed would mean that you could turn sharper on the DS3. Setting the sensitivity to the max (7?) helps to cure this a bit, but it will still remain.

NOONE is a better driver just because they use a wheel though.
 
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GTPEarthbound
and can get close to a 2:00 LAP @ Spa in any car, around 600pp w/ my DS3. Wheel really only has an advantage over DS3 for cars over 750pp(FGT, ferrari F1s, and X1), and only because DS3 lacks precision at very high speeds.
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Haha....everyone is Vettel on GTPlanet. If you can take a GT500 car (you did say any car), take your pick, at around 600pp (601,602?), unless around 600pp means 680pp, and do anything close to 2:00 as in 2:01 or 2:02 or 2:03, then you are the absolute King of GT5 and there is absolutely no one on the planet that can touch you...lol. I'll contact the Kazzer myself and tell him to hand over the next driving contract to you, and also call Mr. Vettel and tell him to retire because he'll never win again...lol. 2:10 maybe...2:02, not a chance in the world.

I've raced lots of fast guys who use DS3's. DS3 offers some advantages over a wheel and some disadvantages and I think PD has done a pretty good job equalizing the two, although at the extreme end of the fast scale, I think the wheel has a slight advantage. As with anything else, practice, practice, practice, good tunes and consistency win the day.
 
Johnnypenso
Haha....everyone is Vettel on GTPlanet. If you can take a GT500 car (you did say any car), take your pick, at around 600pp (601,602?), unless around 600pp means 680pp, and do anything close to 2:00 as in 2:01 or 2:02 or 2:03, then you are the absolute King of GT5 and there is absolutely no one on the planet that can touch you...lol. I'll contact the Kazzer myself and tell him to hand over the next driving contract to you, and also call Mr. Vettel and tell him to retire because he'll never win again...lol. 2:10 maybe...2:02, not a chance in the world.

I've raced lots of fast guys who use DS3's. DS3 offers some advantages over a wheel and some disadvantages and I think PD has done a pretty good job equalizing the two, although at the extreme end of the fast scale, I think the wheel has a slight advantage. As with anything else, practice, practice, practice, good tunes and consistency win the day.
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We have a guy in our club who is bloody fast, I will get him on this tonight if he is online and see what times he comes back with... I am uncertain exactly what it will be but this guy cracked top 250 in FGT TT so he knows how to drive... I shall report when he has completed & will get him on 600PP exactly too. Sports tires?
 
Morgoth_666
It might help, if it makes it feel more natural for you. It might not. It will probably make the game much more fun... but there are those who can't stand using wheels.
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I raced Autocross for a lil while, so I'm at least comfortable with steering wheels.
 
Heathenpride
We have a guy in our club who is bloody fast, I will get him on this tonight if he is online and see what times he comes back with... I am uncertain exactly what it will be but this guy cracked top 250 in FGT TT so he knows how to drive... I shall report when he has completed & will get him on 600PP exactly too. Sports tires?
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I haven't raced a lot at Spa, couple of nights at best, and mostly race cars, but I'm fairly certain 2:10 is the magic number at 600pp in a GT500 car on RS Tires...and I was top 200 in the FGT TT...:) In an LMP car certainly sub 2:00 is the norm but we're talking 200-400 kgs lighter, 50% more downforce and 50% more power.
 
False. I have both a GT-Force and a DS3 and let me tell you, although I am better with a wheel (miles better) that does not make this true.

I've seen some kickass DS3 players over the years I've played GT5 (My friend has one) in my opinion, if you put in enough hours with a control scheme you can do great with it. One tip I would say create your own control scheme, get one you are familiar with or can get the most out of. For example, when I use the DS3 , I opt for dual analogue control. Worth trying out if you haven't done it yet. 👍
 
I got our guy on the track now, results imminent :)
 
Well, guys with a wheel got advantage. If you check the online boards, you can see that the top guys all have wheels.

I use DS3, and I am not that bad, but I see guys I just can't compete with. Or get that 1 second I need to gold Nur (Vettel Challenge).
 
Lap 6 in a Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R (there's text in parenthesis but only got 1st letter S) and best lap so far 2:11.539, far from over though!
 
Oyashiro-sama
Well, guys with a wheel got advantage. If you check the online boards, you can see that the top guys all have wheels.

I use DS3, and I am not that bad, but I see guys I just can't compete with. Or get that 1 second I need to gold Nur (Vettel Challenge).
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While this may be true, the fact is if someone is willing to invest the time and money on a wheel, they take this game more serious than the avg person with a ds3. Keep practicing, get in with a good group that will let you follow them and see the lines they are taking. Unless you are at the pointy end of the stick, wheel or ds3 doesnt matter. Be smooth, get on the gas early out of the corners, and work on being consistent. You will see your lap times improve and before you know it, you will show that little punk the tail lights. 👍

Also, a tip for any ds3 user, when you brake into a corner, apply easy, and try not to use full brakes. Most of the time you will stop faster using less brake. Also, when exiting a corner, practice applying throttle a bit slower(another words, don't just mash it), and slowly decrease your steering radius. I do use a wheel now, but I could run with the best of them with my ds3.
 
noisiaturismo
You probably suck because you suck. Its just a guess.
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That's harsh!

You know noisiaturismo you asked for a FR and it is still unanswered? Should I retract it mate? Is no problem just let me know 👍
 

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