"You`re not using a wheel, that`s why you suck!" true or false?

[grog]

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[premhz]

Just my 2 cents but i`m about 1-2 sec faster with my G25 than DS3. Found the G25 to allow me to be smoother due to higher precison with steering and accel. DS3 i tend to mash the throttle easily and either understeer mid corner or powerslide from apex out.

 

[HP]

It takes years to become above average. And while you're trying to become above average, the average keeps creeping up

Arrgh I don't have years dammit

You are right though, practice will make perfect... perhaps even perfect enough to go 2 min at Spa

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

the DS3 makes it easier to correct oversteer quickly and i find it generally easier when dealing with loss of traction, with that said the wheel allows you to be MUCH more smooth and precise, rarely do you see DS3 players at full throttle around turns touching the rumble strips on exit (using the whole track) with the wheel you can push it that much harder, not to mention the wheel lets you physically turn the tires at a greater angle which is an advantage over the DS3

 

[sid870]

I Suck with both so don't worry lol!

 

[vrajdeber]

I've played all the games from the series and always used controller. I bought Logitech DFGT months after I was already bored with GT5. It bring my interest in the game back and I felt more comfortable playing with it, maybe because I'm a daily driver and I feel different when racing with a wheel.

I'm nowhere near a pro like some guys in here, but still for me, this game is made to be played with wheel.

 

[Oyashiro-sama]

the DS3 makes it easier to correct oversteer quickly and i find it generally easier when dealing with loss of traction, with that said the wheel allows you to be MUCH more smooth and precise, rarely do you see DS3 players at full throttle around turns touching the rumble strips on exit (using the whole track) with the wheel you can push it that much harder, not to mention the wheel lets you physically turn the tires at a greater angle which is an advantage over the DS3

Is this true?

 

[Johnnypenso]

Is this true?

Possibly if you have your steering sensitivity on the DS3 set at -2 or some low number but I don't use it so I can't say for sure. The DFGT is a 900 degree, 2.5 turns lock to lock wheel, so getting the wheels to turn all the way takes some time and crossing over of the arms...lol.

 

[rennsport27]

A lot of people swear by their wheel, but it's not a necessity to go fast. I use the DS3, and am by no means fast, but unless you're racing in any leagues around here (some of these guys are on a whole different level) you should do just fine. I usually hop in random rooms or make my own, and I usually finish in the top 50%, with a few wins here and there. Just keep at it!

 

[D-Max]

The wheel does have a tighter turning circle. But DS3 is just as fast as the wheel. I had A wheel and was just as fast on the DS3 as I was on the wheel. If anything i'm 10x faster now with a pad! there is a difference but speed is determined in skill, not your horsepower.

 

[Paipai]

I think a problem with controller is that you cant really control your accel input, how hard you want it to be, same thing with brake. When I am forced to race people with controller, I also cant really use accel and brake at the same time, holding x and square at the same time somehow just doesn't feel right lol

 

[rennsport27]

I think a problem with controller is that you cant really control your accel input, how hard you want it to be, same thing with brake. When I am forced to race people with controller, I also cant really use accel and brake at the same time, holding x and square at the same time somehow just doesn't feel right lol

Try using the right analog stick or L2/R2 for acceleration and braking. Makes a world of difference. Also, perhaps I'm just being ignorant here, but unless you're "heel and toeing" which you can't do on a ds3 anyways, why do you need to hit gas and brake at the same time?

 

[Hayden]

OP, due to your injury I don't know if the wheel would be the best option. The constant vibration along with the somewhat awkward hand position may give you some really painful aches. I feel that your current setup may be best, as changing the controller layout is clearly not an option.

Ignore what the kid had to say, he has all the time in the world to practice, constant stream of money and a certain arrogance that most young gamers posses (which i believe comes from a lack of discipline and attention from parents). The only thing i can reccomend to you for improving your driving is to keep practicing online and forget what people like that have to say. GT's online world is home to many a kind and helpful person, who would be more then happy to race with someone such as yourself.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, there is many a quick DS3 user out there and in the end it comes down to the tradesman not the tool. If a DS3 user has the dedication and time, they can give us wheel users a real spanking.

 

[spunwicked]

Well said!!

Dude, you sound like you need C.R.A.P, check out link in my sig

Count me in

 

[Vince_Fiero]

Not true.

Look at the WRS results, there are very fast 6-axis users: http://wrs.gtplanet.net/GT5/results/35
other competitions confirm this, 6-axis is by no means equivalent with slow.

however you can be faster with a wheel: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=115679
(or people that are fast end up driving a wheel, but that seems unlikely to me)

 

[Smuttysy]

This really comes down to two things, in my mind: how well you know the circuit, and how proficient you are with the controller you're using.

I regularly race with a bunch of guys online who mostly use wheels, but I am a DS3 user. I am still every bit as competitive, timewise, as the wheel users, and on some circuits, with certain cars, even better. The main reason, I learned the tracks and the car's characteristics beforehand and can take some of the corners at a much higher speed than most others take them. A good solid tuning set also makes this an easier task.
Spa has always been a favourite track of mine, and since I used to run it regularly online with Grid and NFS, have a lot of experience driving the circuit, and thus I can take high places here too.

Practice is key, along with solid tuning, regardless of input method. You can have the most expensive wheel and pedals setup you can buy, but still suck the proverbial donkey's if you can't use it properly, or if your car handles like a greased-up deaf guy, lol.

 

[BiggRayy]

This really comes down to one thing, no wheel equals suckkk lol.

 

[scarslasher]

I'll just focus on ccontrollers since that's what I use.
Controller players seem to be able to correct themselves from spins and drift awesomely because it's a lot quicker to move an analog stick from side to side with a stick.

But wheels have better throttle control and can hold turns more precisely (can't confirm, don't have a wheel). My theory is you can tell the difference between wheel players and controller players in NASCAR races. Controller players might have to correct their turning circles often because controllers make it hard to be precise.. and you can tell when they do correct themselves as it's usually pretty drastic.

However, expert controller players thwart this issue through tweaking settings and using a delicate hand.

Edit: Don't mind the drifting comment. Wheel players (obviously) can be awesome drifters, too. The extra steering and throttle control would be a dead giveaway to that fact.

 

[jacnob]

I was told this in no uncertain terms by some cocky know-all kid last night, when I came last by a mile at Spa.

Which begs the question: why do you HAVE to use a wheel to be any good at GT5 online?

The last wheel I used was was the `official` one for GT2 I think & was totally, utterly pants! so I have no desire to waste what very little money I have on another crap wheel that will end up in a cupboard & never see the light of day again.

Plus the fact that I don`t have room for, nor can afford these fancy race cage set-ups, means that I must be about the only person to still use the good old trusty dualshock controller.

My problem at Spa was lack of traction exiting corners & major understeer entering them, meaning I had to take corners at 30-40mph or lower, when everyone else was taking them at 60-70mph or higher.

Using the same car (Calsonic GTR) at Spa offline is fine, but as soon as you take it online, it becomes undriveable.

Can someone please explain to me why this would be, as I have done nothing to the set up, just taken it from offline to online & it`s a totally different beast.

Is this because I`m using a dualshock, or because I just suck online?

Or should I just not bother going online anymore because I`m not using a wheel?

All input welcome.

I personally think that the online physics are the devil and they're the cause, but thats just me. Mabye make another tune on the 2nd sheet?

 

[Madertus]

Only a poser and/or an idiot would say that non-wheel-users suck just because they are non-wheel-users. Come on, it's just a stupid steering wheel which has exactly the same functions as DS3 BUT, the wheel allows much smoother controls. On the other hand, DS3 allows the players to correct oversteer waaaa...aaa...aaaaay easier than the wheel.

This game is about skill, proficiency and 'track + [(car * power)/skill] knowledge'. It's kinda sad that there are some posers caring about the gear more than playing itself.

*sigh* kids nowadays...

 

[TankAss95]

Only a poser and/or an idiot would say that non-wheel-users suck just because they are non-wheel-users. Come on, it's just a stupid steering wheel which has exactly the same functions as DS3 BUT, the wheel allows much smoother controls. On the other hand, DS3 allows the players to correct oversteer waaaa...aaa...aaaaay easier than the wheel.

This game is about skill, proficiency and 'track + [(car * power)/skill] knowledge'. It's kinda sad that there are some posers caring about the gear more than playing itself.

*sigh* kids nowadays...

Agree, but a skilled person with a wheel can correct oversteer better with a wheel than a DS3.
GT5 seems to favour wheel users more than GT4.

In the end though when judging someone's skill, you should disregard the whole wheel/DS3 argument.

 

[HP]

In the end though when judging someone's skill, you should disregard the whole wheel/DS3 argument.

... and judge their lap times instead

 

[Madertus]

... and judge their lap times instead

In the end though when judging someone's skill, you should disregard the whole wheel/DS3 argument.

Period.👍

 

[Nicktune]

, rarely do you see DS3 players at full throttle around turns touching the rumble strips on exit

There's a lot of racers here that won't agree with this.

speed is determined in skill.

This needs thumbs up 👍👍👍

I think DS3, with it's near instant turn lock to lock, is the preferred tool for drifting, although I'm sure there are some out there with a wheel that can drift quite well.

(what's bold)Drifting is a lot smoother than that!(ranked 24th in past drift trials currently #50)It's more about throttle control than anything else....you can go through an S-turn without streering at all (you steer with the wheels in the back ) Maybe it's more about car setup than wheel not going lock to lock as fast as the ds3.My point is that you don't need to slam your wheel from left to right at the speed of light...drifting =really smooth.However I agree your sentence.

 

[baconVader]

I was told this in no uncertain terms by some cocky know-all kid last night.

And why do you care what some pimple faced kid thinks of your racing?

 

[seanneedscar]

I cant read, edited