Tuner Garages

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Believe it or not, I haven't even sorted out which cars I'm using yet, beyond the Elan for Pre-64. Seriously considering an Alpine for 64-73 if Leo does his for the Club Racer category, but beyond that, no real firm plans. Given the limited selection in its era, a Renault 5 Turbo is about the only reasonable challenger for the Lancer 1600 GSR Greycap plans (fantastic little car, even with a very basic quick-tune)... so we shall see.

And yeah, you make a good point Greycap. In the end it's up to the judge what criteria to use there, but your suggestion is more than reasonable and I hope people put it in practice.
 
BTW, thanks for changing the thread name Kent, hopefully that'll drum up some more participants! And sorry to hear that you won't have the cars to judge... Hopefully a few of the categories won't contain anything terribly obscure or hard-to-win.

<EDIT> Greycap, I've noticed a problem. I don't know if it's different in the PAL game, but the roadgoing Lancer 1600 GSR is a '73. The race car is '74, but being a race car, it isn't eligible for the 1974-1980 road car category. Problems like this are why I suggested in the feeler thread that cars be allowed to be reclassified to a different model year within their real-life production range, but most thought it a bad idea. Sorry ...
 
Huh? I'm trying to enter the road version there. I probably have the wrong year number, I went by the GTP Game Guides and they say 1974. Damn it if it's not eligible, I'll have to find another one.
 
Yeah the road version is a '73, at least in the NTSC game. :ouch: Sorry mate ... 74-80 is a tough range of years to find a good car in.

Since you like the lightweights, you could always try a '74 Triumph. Insane rear suspension, but I bet it could be sorted out.
 
Vintage Tuner Cup Entry; 1963 and Earlier

KC Motorsport Lotus Elan S1 E.P. Special

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KC Motorsports is exceedlingly proud to present the Lotus Elan S1 Emma Peel Special. It is, in our opinion is the best British sportscar EVER, and undeniably the purest of the breed. Named for Diana Rigg's "Avengers" character who propelled the car to international fame, this one is a shocker.

Introduced in 1962 as a two-seater drophead, the Lotus Elan S1 took the world of sports motoring by storm. It mated a technologically brilliant 1.6L Lotus-Ford twin-cam 4-cylinder engine to Lotus' innovative and storied steel backbone chassis, and sat wrapped in a stunning fiberglass body which, save for the addition of fixed-head and 2+2 variants, would remain largely unchanged for the entire run of its production, through 1975. It incorporated a 4-wheel independent suspension, disc brakes at all wheels, and as the successor of the beautiful but fragile Elite, went on to see fantastic success both as a road car and a racer. It's even apocryphally said that Mazda reverse-engineered two Elans when designing the Miata.

We wouldn't be surprised if that were true. In the process of building ours, we found the Elan to be one of the most capable platforms we'd ever encountered.

We began with the motor, already fantastic considering the fact that it only had to pull 1500 lbs even before we began to shed weight. We sourced two fresh units; we did an agressive naturally aspirated build on one, and fitted a turbocharger to another. The N/A build provided more even delivery of power across the entire band, but for our race-bred model, we've decided to offer the turbocharged powerplant, which exhales through Cosworth high-flow alloy headers and a custom-fabricated full crosspiped dual exhaust. It crams the bulk of the power and torque right where it's needed on the track - between 4500 RPM and the redline. Torque is delivered at its peak at 4000 revs, and as it slowly begins to trickle off, the power peaks at 5500, urgently hauling the featherlight to a top speed right at 155 mph. The gearbox was thrown out in favor of an even lighter period-correct Cosworth Racing-sourced 5-speed. The suspension didn't need much attention save for a gentle overall stiffening, a moderate drop in ride height, and added front and rear sway bars. We tested two chassis, one which we made swiss cheese out of and fortified with an integral stiffening system and rollcage. The second we tested was the factory Lotus chassis, which proved to be more predictable and easier to drive consistently. Lightweight alloys have replaced steel wherever possible, bringing the car's weight down to an astonishing 581 kg. Considering the motor is now producing 210 bhp, that combines to an astonishing power-to-weight ratio, and a power-to-displacement ratio of 135 horsepower-per-liter. Compare that to a Pagani Zonda C12, which makes a "mere" 77 hp/L!

Driving the car is a JOY. The ride is almost perfectly balanced. Original race-converted Elans showed a slight tendency to understeer, but we've worked ours up to produce the most ideal balance for any sportscar - very mild oversteer. A very gently-set Limited-slip Differential reigns in wheelspin while allowing a VERY slight tail-out tendency that only exhibits itself under hard throttle out of tight corners. The soft suspension settings aren't just to keep the car feeling period-correct, either - it's SO responsive to driver input that it had to be blunted to keep that responsiveness from manifesting itself as nervousness. This also aids in keeping the car more stable at speeds MUCH higher than the chassis was ever intended to handle without the necessity of added downforce. The car IS still very light and as such, some care is required cresting hills at high speed, especially approaching corners.

We packed the car off to Infineon for a trackday for final testing, where we didn't draw many admiring glances in the paddock. Those envious stares were reserved for a super-rare Nissan R390GT1 homologation special. Only the driver of a 427 Cobra quite grasped what our little moster was capable of, which he displayed by a knowing nod on the starting grid. When after two laps the plucky Brit was a full ten seconds ahead of the R390, EVERYONE knew. Now, YOU have the chance to find out.

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The Stats
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210 hp @ 5500 RPM
194 lb.ft. @ 4000 RPM
Weight: 581 KG
In-game WPR: 2.765

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Parts List
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RC Exhaust
Racing Brakes & BBC
Port Polish, Engine Balancing and Racing Chip
FC Transmission, RC Flywheel, Triple Plate Clutch, FC LSD, Carbon Driveshaft
Stage 2 Turbocharger
FC Suspension
S3 Tires
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Oil Change


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The Tune
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BBC: 5/4
Driving Aids:
ASM (o): Zero
ASM (u): Zilch
TCS: Nada

Spring Rates: 4.5/5.0
Ride Height: 100/100
Dampers (Bound): 1/2
Dampers (Rebound): 3/4
Camber: 2.8/1.5
Toe: 0/0
Stabilizers: 1/2

LSD: 15/18/10

Gearing: Use the tranny trick first (set final drive to max, then set autoset to 25, then back to 1)

Leaving the Autoset at 1, set final drive at 3.500. Leave the independent ratios where they are for a top speed right at 155 mph, which is all the car can take without becoming dangerously unstable.

NOTE: The Elan is the prize-car for the Lotus Classics one-make race. For this race, unless you already have the Elan, you'll need the (equally awesome and worth-owning) Europa, which is the prize car for the British Lightweight Race in the European Hall.
 
Closer than Elevation Problem :sly: It has no problem with hills, that's for sure - laps Nurburgring under 7'20 on S3's... MAKING ONLY 210 HORSEPOWER! I want to make love to this car. Nobody's close to guessing E.P. yet - hint - it's not an automotive term, it's a name.

And, I'm a colossal idiot. The whole reason I arranged for the year ranges to split at 1973 was that I thought the Super Bee was a '73. Yeah, not so much, it's a '71. This brings up a problem - several '73 GT4 cars are spiritually cars of the 70's post-embargo era - the Stratos, the 1600GSR, the first GT-R, the 2002 Turbo, etc. With no ground-pounding American muscle to throw things awry, it might be in the best interest of the competition to change the 74-80 division to 73-80. There are MAYBE four or five cars in the entire range of '74-80 that are worth tuning for competition, and I'm worried that as things are, nobody will enter. The issue here would be the '73 Alpine A110 - I know it's been mentioned by several people including Leo and myself as a potential entry. Still, with the plethora of cars from '64-72, there's plenty to pick among. I think the change is a good idea, I just wish I'd realized this before announcing the official rules. If anyone has any objections though (especially if this interferes with anyone's plans), I'm content to let the divisions stand where they are. Opinions?
 
Ah, damn it with the Lancer then. I'll take the 280Z in that case. And probably the Super Bee in the racing class.
 
Ah, the Lotus Elan, the car to make a claim to glory, but will that claim be accepted? :sly: I think I've changed my mind again, I'll leave out the GNX. I'd have liked to enter a Triumph, but that category will probably need judges. Still the C1 and C3 for me.
 
Ah, the Lotus Elan, the car to make a claim to glory, but will that claim be accepted? :sly:

Said Elan has just had its settings edited in, so take it for a spin and find out for yourself ;-)

Nobody wins the prize for guessing what "E.P." meant. I guess we don't have any Avengers fans online this evening :sly:
 
The ultimate sleeper. Show me a muscle car making less than 550 HP that can beat it around the Nordschleife on sports tires without running off and I'll drink the oil straight out of said muscle car's sump. :sly:
 
C1 Corvette, mine to be exact :lol: 373hp. Maybe not a real muscle car though only being a six...........

Edit: Just checked again where to get it, I'm on my way.👍
 
Yeah, doesn't quite count as a muscle car alas. Nor is it capable of performing half as well as GT4 seems to suggest, but like I said somewhere else, I'm just pretending it's a Jaguar XK150 :sly:

<edit> and if you're giving it a test, I'll be sure to get onto your DB9 here in a bit.
 
Hey hey hey, when you consider it, you're replacing the entire suspension rear diff and brakes and everything else with racing parts of our modern day, then on a car that has a 4.0L L6 engine completely reworked with modern parts and a very lightweight car? Why can't it be that good. There are cars that weigh more and outperform this...sort of.

Also, just checked you WPR :sly: Yours is better than mine :sly: But my car goes faster :sly: Can't hide the grin on my face- that's torque for you. Something only America and Australia ever discovered. Alright alright, I'm really on my way to get it now. Would you like a review anywhere at all?
 
You can just PM it to me if you like, thanks! Working on your DB9R right now on this end... preparing a little adornment for the review :sly:

Even the GT4 C1 'Vette stock, though, WAY outhadles any realistic assesment made by anyone, anywhere, of how the L-6 Vette felt. It was pretty to look at, but that's about it. Wasn't even super-quick in a straight line 'til the V8.
 
The Elan will be quicker around a racetrack.

I laugh at you with my head held high, the Vette is a fair bit quicker and more controllable at times it would seem, but I won't spoil the surprise for anyone, I'm going to send a review to CLS by PM almost right now. If you want to know their differences you'll have to drive them for yourself :sly:
 
I laugh at you with my head held high, the Vette is a fair bit quicker and more controllable at times it would seem, but I won't spoil the surprise for anyone, I'm going to send a review to CLS by PM almost right now. If you want to know their differences you'll have to drive them for yourself :sly:

Around a track with long straights, the Vette will undoubtedly be quicker. On compact circuits though, the Elan should have the edge if driven right. It takes some adjustment in style of driving to squeeze every tenth out of it - it can take corners flat out that most any other car would have to lift or brake for, which is where a lot of its speed comes from.
 
Let's test your theory, pick any tight track other than Cittid di aria *shudders* (cause I'm crap at that track) and I'll give you a race via PM. You in the Elan, me in the Vette.
 
Done! The 'ring. Long straights? Yes, but I think I can still prevail. I only ran two laps there while testing and I know there's plenty more time to be had. I doubt I'll have time to make enough passes tonight to be satisfied, but I'll be free most of tomorrow evening.

If Nurburgring would eat up too much of your time, I'd be just as happy with Monaco or Amalfi.
 
Time I've got, I wonder if Nurburger is too long though with too many straights? I'd be happy to do 2 tracks- which one's Monaco?- domb question
 
Sorry, Cote d'Azur. It's the Monaco Gran Prix track... but for some reason they don't call it that in GT4. I'd be happy to do the Ring and either one of those other tracks, your choice.
 
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