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who knows, it may seem like it has a lack of power but it dont have traction problems for me but the supercharger may make/break it.... itl be a worthy contender and i dont use a manual i use a 6 speed auto. so i gave myself a challenge, cool if it is a devistator on the track ill be glad, if not, its all good
 
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You missed my point. The 'Cuda has more than enough power, it's just that using an automatic will make it rev to WAY past where power is gone, every gear, so it WILL NOT go as quick as it seems like it should. And the low-end torque is excessive to the point of insanity, so you'll light the tires easily.

I just doubt that it will be competitive. Sorry.

Vince's car is at rather low power, and it has wheelspin problems. Bad.

I DARE you to post it with a blower.
 
ENTRY FOR 64-73 CLASS WITHDRAWN
keep in mind this is a friendly competition shesh chill out rotary junkie

ps im also workin on a failsafe car as well
 
I'm harassing you about it?

I was just warning you. I could probably see a Z28, Superbird, Super Bee, or another musclecar that doesn't have the 'Awesome until 4750' powercurve of the 440 6-pack cars working beautifully, if tuned well, but...

Just the combination of a big-block's weight up front, the seemingly effortless wheelspin, etc. would make it somewhat uncompetitive. I wasn't trying to harass you about it; just a friendly warning.
 
Ok - I hope everyone noticed the couple of posts I made about it because nobody's said anything, but since there haven't been any objections, there's a SLIGHT change in the rules...

Since I was operating under the misconception that the Super Bee was a '73, I arranged the divisions to keep all the serious American muscle together. But since I'm an idiot and the Super Bee is a 71, the divisions are changed. The affected divisions are as follows:

1964-1973 is now 1964-1972
1974-1980 is now 1973-1980

This should hopefully make the new 73-80 division MUCH more competitive, as before, there were VERY few cars in GT4 in that range of years worth tuning.
 
Guess i'll just have to wait a litle bit for the clasic club racers to show off my new (or not) mini monster. codename "Flugzeug". ;)
 
Looks like there are a lot of entrants coming, really good people. I hope we don't have to judge the categories we've already entered for lack of judges, then I'd have to go and get all the rare cars again that people are entering in the 1963 and earlier category. But if it comes to that, what must be done will be done ;)
 
The GTS-R might be a good Skyline, it's the most modern you can enter within the boundaries of time, it's a liitle rare though. It does at least use a L6.
 
I have a feeling that I'll suffer a similar fate as the last time when I was blown away by better base cars and heavier tuning. The difference is that this time I'm trying to beat the odds with the cars that have the most room for improving. In other words, less than stellar base cars. Let's have a look.

1900-1963: Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale '63 - Grip, what's that?
1964-1972: Lotus Europa Special '71 - High speed corners equal crashing
1973-1980: Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR '73 - S l o w
1981-1988: Audi Quattro '82 - Understeer, anyone?
1900-1980, Race class: Lancia Stratos '73 - Turns on a dime, spins on one too

Good base cars are for those who can't wrestle with the hopeless ones. :D
 
Leo's doing an Audi Quattro! Huzzah!

And, of course, Alfa Romeos are always welcome. I may not judge, but I'll definitely test a couple of Leonidae's cars.

I love old cars...
 
Hey all, just had a couple of odd-ball questions.

1) Why does the final category cut off with '88 instead of '89?
Same decade and everything, plus, '89 would add two serious contenders (the 300ZX and the R32 GTR). I can't think of any reason those two great cars should be excluded by one year (especially at this point so early before the category is used) (and especially since other categories have already recieved change).
So... Why '88 and not '89?

2) Why is the classic cup racers category exclusive to '80 and earlier?
Wouldn't it be best to open that category to everything in the competition instead of keeping the '80s out of the race?

In any case, keep up the good work everyone. I'm looking forward to seeing this Cup play out! :cheers:

PS. Miatas also come into play when '89 is considered as well as the Galant VR-4. :sly:
 
Well the '89 cars are way too modern for a Vintage Cup, especially the R32 GT-R, and the car in the '80s are excluded from the Club Racers because while they may be fine on sports tyres versing other cars from the '80s they are an unfair advantage over something that's a real classic, imagine an '88 Supra on race tyres against something as classic as a Camaro Z28.
Grey, what you said about tackling the bad cars and not using good base cars, sometimes a car turns out better than expected ;) My C3 was not without serious flaws in the default settings but now it's a dream :sly:
 
The R32 and the Z32 300 are the reasons we cut off at 88 actually - while they're destined to become classics for sure, they seem to be the two cars that, more than anything else, usher in the "modern" age of motoring. That, and the fact that they can take such vast levels of power and still remain reasonably drivable make them seem somewhat unfair in the context of some of the cars from the early eighties.

In terms of racecars, RJ was actually the one who suggested going with 1980 and earlier so I can't speak for him, but it seems that the eighties cars have such an advantage in terms of technology that the category would likely be populated exclusively by R30's, R31's, MR2's, Esprits, Supras, etc. It'll be much more exciting I think to see Stratoses, Alpines, C3 Vettes, Alfas and the like going toe-to-toe.

<edit> Blast! Tree'd by the Aussie! :sly:
 
Yeah. :indiff:
I should have probably paid close attention to the organization of the Cup.
First I'd have to stress that anything from 1980 or later is too new to be in a classics cup so allowing even '80 or '81 isn't really fitting. Further, cars like the RS200 symbolize the modern era of cars (IMO) as much as or more than the R32 and Z32.

Oh well, no biggie. :indiff:
Like I said, this topic is probably why I should have been more involved when this thing was getting off the ground. :ouch:
 
Kent
Yeah. :indiff:
I should have probably paid close attention to the organization of the Cup.
First I'd have to stress that anything from 1980 or later is too new to be in a classics cup so allowing even '80 or '81 isn't really fitting. Further, cars like the RS200 symbolize the modern era of cars (IMO) as much as or more than the R32 and Z32.

Oh well, no biggie. :indiff:
Like I said, this topic is probably why I should have been more involved when this thing was getting off the ground. :ouch:
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But having a seperate 80's-focused division in a "modern classics" sense doesn't seem to be too much of a problem - most reputable classics magazines are now regarding anything 1991 and older as a potential classic.

And you're right, there are certainly cars in GT4 from the eighties that are just as technically sophisticated as the Zed and the R32, but the primary difference there is that they can't have upwards of 700 horsepower crammed under the hood. As much as we stress that this competition isn't about power but overall feel, a 300ZX that has the potential of such overwhelming power is going to have a significantly perceptable edge over an RS200.
 
CraftyLandShark
But having a seperate 80's-focused division in a "modern classics" sense doesn't seem to be too much of a problem - most reputable classics magazines are now regarding anything 1991 and older as a potential classic.

And you're right, there are certainly cars in GT4 from the eighties that are just as technically sophisticated as the Zed and the R32, but the primary difference there is that they can't have upwards of 700 horsepower crammed under the hood. As much as we stress that this competition isn't about power but overall feel, a 300ZX that has the potential of such overwhelming power is going to have a significantly perceptable edge over an RS200.
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Hey, that's on you or you guys (however the decisions were made).
As you may have guessed by my opinion as well as my execution of the Tuner Challenge v2, I don't believe high power levels make a difference when I'm judging for the feel- I'm just sorry to see that I'm alone with that sentiment.
Oh well... :indiff:
Just thought I'd voice my opinion before it was far too late.

That said...
The Peugeot 205 is capable of easily handling 400+hp.
The RUF BTR is capable of properly handling 600+hp.
That's not to mention several older cars that easily run power figures as high or higher than what I've mentioned here.

To put it bluntly, I feel like invalid reasons are what kept the Z32 and R32 out of the competition as many other cars not excluded could easily have the same arugments waged against them.
It's very disappointing to me but I'm happy to accept the decision of the powers in control of this Vintage Cup.
 
I certainly understand your reasons, but it DOES seem that those cars are pretty objectively a "watershed" moment in the world of tuning. A cutoff had to be placed somewhere, and there's plenty of time to resume this discussion when it's time to begin the second half of the competition - I'm not and I'm sure none of us are opposed to the idea of reopening the debate on the '80s division - there was already quite a lot of discussion about it in the planning stages and there's no problem with having more. 👍

And you're certainly not the only one that agrees that the competition isn't strictly about power, my only point there is that to many judges, power WILL play an important factor, no matter how much we stress that it isn't.

<edit> another thing that I forgot to mention - I don't know about others, but one of the things about this challenge, particularly the eighties division, that excited me most was the prospect of capable cars that don't often get much attention finally seeing the light of day. Tunes and discussion abound for cars like the R32, 300ZX, and the MX-5, but with a few notable exceptions like the FC RX-7, there are a lot of cars in the eighties that are often overshadowed by the Titans of '89. Likewise, many of the cars in GT4 that began production in '89 continued production well into the nineties and were plenty competitive in the modern markets. Most of the GT4 cars '88 and before were mostly exclusive to the eighties. Again though, I certainly see your point and we can definitely re-open the debate on the 80's division once the first two divisions conclude.
 
Check my response in the ideas thread Kent. Basically it boils down to this: In Japan they consider anything over 10yrs old a classic. ;) Most places consider anything over 20yrs a classic, here in Australia it's 25yrs. It's 2008 now, 20yrs back it's 1988. :)

That and add the fact the R32 demolished anything in competition at that time, and the Z32 was 2nd to it!!

Mafs!!
 

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