Red-Zone Autoworks (Demonstration Car now out!)

shoman
Don't let him get to you man. it's you tunes and you time put in to it. Who care's a lot of fast people use controllers.
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i almost forgot, someone said he is the Ayrton Senna of GT4.., well, since maybe he's too good of a driver for my tunes, he doesn't need toe angles.., we'll just say i'm a noob because my reviews on my first batch of cars didn't go too well on some people, and i couldn't get those fast lap & sector times like Pyrelli can on TCv3.., i'm still just trying, i'm not the only one around here who uses toe angles on my suspension setups..,
 
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i almost forgot, someone said he is the Ayrton Senna of GT4.., well, since maybe he's too good of a driver for my tunes, he doesn't need toe angles.., we'll just say i'm a noob because my reviews on my first batch of cars didn't go too well on some people, and i couldn't get those fast lap & sector times like Pyrelli can on TCv3.., i'm still just trying, i'm not the only one around here who uses toe angles on my suspension setups..,
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You know I do! Lol how's that beastie doing you got? That 22b is next on my list. Keep up the good work! I'm still learning too.
 
Yes! You released the 22b! I will test it out when I'm at home in front of my Pee.eSe.Two. :lol:
 
VTiRoj
Yes! You released the 22b! I will test it out when I'm at home in front of my Pee.eSe.Two. :lol:
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i still have to check the gearing and the toe angles, but go ahead, have fun with the 22B..,
 
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i still have to check the gearing and the toe angles, but go ahead, have fun with the 22B..,
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If your still working on the 22B then I'll hold back from testing if you want. 👍

On the matter of toe angels, use as much or as little as you want. Dont let anyone's comments change the way you tune, unless you want to.
 
So true.

If you feel that it's needed, do it. Megasoft has something to say about everyone, anyone, and everything, and it's only good when the other person has a stuck-up, better-than-the-world air about them.
 
Review of Mazda RX7 Spirit A

Well, I tested this beast of yours out drifting24/7 and there were some plus points and some negatives. After initial testing on the 1/4 mile (as per my norm), I sent it to where our TCv3 monsters are being torn up, Citta Di Aria. ;) I tested it along the same lines to the T1 marker and seeing you're doing a 'touge' garage it seemed the sensible choice.

Now, the positives:
*Good gear ratio selection. Kept the engine in the powerband the whole time.
*Nice power combination. 348hp was just enough to not overpower the wheels too much, minimal wheelspin in 1st from a 2500rpm launch. Only when I got silly at Citta did it wheelspin in 2nd.
*Decent Spring Rates. Not too hard, not too soft.

And, the negatives:
The car felt VERY tight around most sections. Now, this was due to a combination of things which I'll list next and caused a lot of understeer, uncommon in an RX7. A simple adjustment in a few areas fixed it up and dropped sector times from a 38.0xx to a 36.9xx. :eek: The things were:
*Toe Angle. I hate negative front toe with a passion. Rear, go for it, but not the fronts as it's harder to turn with it.
*LSD. Way too much applied on the car which made it difficult to turn in.
*Camber. Not enough on the front, too much on the rear.
*Ride Height. A bit too high, especially for an RX7. I lowered it around 10mm allround and it helped it a lot.
*Dampers. Softened them a bit.

I'll send you my suspension listings through PM okay drifting??

All up, a good car, just can be made a lot better.

Rating: 82/100.
 
The 22B looks inspiring, I certainly will have a go with that one.

But, just a suggestion, not to be hard on you or something, but in the settings post, could you be a little more informative? For example: "where to get the car, how much do you need to pay for the car plus the tune up", you know, the things which are very easy to do, but also very easy to overlook/forget, especially if you're in a eager to put the settings online. I should know, I seem to forget them all the time. :P It's all in the little details to make the post a bit more attractive for 'ze publik'.

Hope this helps you!
 
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the other garages here also use toe, especially MFT.., what's your problem?? all right, so i'm not that good of a driver and tuner, because i only use a DS2, not unlike you guys who use force feedback wheels so that you could have a better feel of the car..,
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Don't misinterpret it as criticism, but I meant to say that touge cars are, after all, road cars, which run zero toe.
 
Psst, road cars actually DO have very slight toe. They're supposed to. If memory serves, it's a very slight toe-in up front. Might be toe-out... Can't quite remember.
 
IMO, you have to utilise a combination of every tool before you in the setup of a car to make it the best it can be. I've had cars that I changed the settings around on, made them more controllable, but still had the exact same feel of speed, faster even. A compromise of sorts.

D24/7, if you screw up that Monaro I'll trash your garage while you sleep :lol: J/K It's about time we got some healthy V8s into the touge, they'll climb the hills much easier. I'll test it when you release it, being a Holden expert of sorts. I'll be kind :sly:
 
Vince247
The 22B looks inspiring, I certainly will have a go with that one.

But, just a suggestion, not to be hard on you or something, but in the settings post, could you be a little more informative? For example: "where to get the car, how much do you need to pay for the car plus the tune up", you know, the things which are very easy to do, but also very easy to overlook/forget, especially if you're in a eager to put the settings online. I should know, I seem to forget them all the time. :P It's all in the little details to make the post a bit more attractive for 'ze publik'.

Hope this helps you!
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will do right now! :)

Stig22121
By the way, guys, there are women here, so you need to add ma'am on the front page.
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i'll just remove the "Sir".., ;)

nd 4 holden spd
D24/7, if you screw up that Monaro I'll trash your garage while you sleep :lol: J/K It's about time we got some healthy V8s into the touge, they'll climb the hills much easier. I'll test it when you release it, being a Holden expert of sorts. I'll be kind :sly:
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:scared: oooookkaaaayyyy..,:scared: i AM having a hard time with the Monaro, because it's heavy.., i'm trying my best without a Weight Reduction Stage 3, but i ensure you, this car will be good enough for touges.., 👍


Expect updates for the non-drift cars in the next couple of days.

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hmm, i'm worried about the 22B.., it understeers a lot, or maybe it's just me.., we'll see how it fairs when other people drive it..,
 
That understeer is probably because of the FC LSD, take it off and run the stock one, I bet it will feel better.
 
== Honda MUGEN S2000 (AP1) ==
(315 hp) (--- ft.lb)

MUGENS2000.jpg


Parts List:

RC Exhaust
Racing Brakes
NA Stage 2
Port Polish
Close-Ratio Transmission
TR Clutch
RC Flywheel
FC LSD
Carbon Driveshaft
RC Suspension
S3 Tires
Weight Reduction Stage 2

Parts Settings:

Suspension

Spring Rate : 8.0 / 8.0
Ride Height : 93 / 93
Shock Bound : 4 / 3
Shock Rebound : 5 / 5
Camber : 1.6 / 1.3
Toe : -1 / 0
Stabilizer : 3 / 2

LSD

Initial: 20
Accel: 35
Decel: 15


"MUGEN". This word is Japanese for "infinite", and indeed Honda's cars possess infinite potential. Take the S2000 for example. Just look at the VTEC engine this car has. A 2.0 liter powerplant producing 240 hp, that's about 120hp per liter. Now that's a lot of power for such a small engine volume. In fact, this engine is so powerful, it even embarrasses most racing engines being developed nowadays. The folks at MUGEN Power have done a good job with the already-great S2000, and here at TTL we do what we do best: we do a better job. So, we unleashed the monster inside this little toy. The exhaust and brakes are replaced along with the drivetrain components. Partnering the engine tuning, the intake ports and cylinders are polished. The suspension, fine-tuned to give a smooth ride on those bumpy touges. High-grip tires and a race-spec LSD were fitted to give you exceptional handling. To keep revs in the powerband, the gear ratios were shortened. You'll feel great just driving this car..,
 
nd 4 holden spd
That understeer is probably because of the FC LSD, take it off and run the stock one, I bet it will feel better.
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you think so?? i removed the VCD, the 22B felt a little much better.., maybe it just needs a bolt-on LSD, or none at all..,
 
None at all normally works best with AWD, as the computers and stuff in the stock one work better to distribute torque and such. No LSD and no VCD is normally best. However some will work better with it on, but very rarely, and normally those ones are sad either way.

Edit: I don't think you can compare power/litre anymore. Power is easy with high revs, but torque is what accelerates you and is how much work the engine can do. I wish the world standard would change to torque/litre and power/some unit of RPM.
 
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None at all normally works best with AWD, as the computers and stuff in the stock one work better to distribute torque and such. No LSD and no VCD is normally best. However some will work better with it on, but very rarely, and normally those ones are sad either way.
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my Lan-Evo V works great with a 1.5-way LSD (i think), you should try it.., :D

Edit: I don't think you can compare power/litre anymore. Power is easy with high revs, but torque is what accelerates you and is how much work the engine can do. I wish the world standard would change to torque/litre and power/some unit of RPM.
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that's just a description for the car, i'm not really comparing.., ;)
 
== Holden Monaro CV8 ==
(394 hp) (411.33 ft. lb)

HoldenMonaroCV8.jpg


Parts List:

Racing Brakes
Brake Controller
NA Stage 1
FC Tranny
TR Clutch
RC Flywheel
FC LSD
Carbon Driveshaft
RC Suspension
S3 Tires
Weight Reduction Stage 2
Rear Wing (3D Type CB)
Wheels (Speedline 007)

Parts Settings:

Suspension

Spring Rate : 7.5 / 7.5
Ride Height : 115 / 115
Shock Bound : 4 / 4
Shock Rebound : 5 / 5
Camber : 1.6 / 0.8
Toe : -1 / 0
Stabilizer : 3 / 2

Transmission

Auto - 8
Final - 3.080
1st - 2.893
2nd - 2.057
3rd - 1.575
4th - 1.270
5th - 1.049
6th - 0.880

Downforce - 10 / 12

Brake Balance : 3 / 6

LSD

Initial: 20
Accel: 35
Decel: 10


And you thought muscle cars with big V8's don't have a place in the touges, right?? WRONG!! Despite its massive & heavy body, this car is made to tackle mountain passes. In order to do so, we had to shave off more than 200kg of unneeded weight from the car. For more grip, a rear spoiler was mounted, which looks cool by the way. When we decided to increase the engine power, the Monaro generated some wheelspin. So, carefully selected mods were performed, as to avoid the wheelspin. We also decided not to replace the exhaust, so that you would hear & enjoy the grumbling, roaring sound of the V8. This car has potential, that's why it's time for Australian cars to get some recognition..,
 
You got wheelspin with a power level like that? :confused: Oh well, I'll give it a drive some time soon. No idea when. I suppose I should get around to reviewing those TCV3 RWD cars as well. And Vince's Mustang, and MFT's upcoming creations I'm intrigued by too. First I think I should take care of the RWD cars in TCV3, then your Monaro, then Vince's Mustang (try mine while you're at it if you ever feel like it, a full race tune, has received rave reviews), and then MFT's cars. I prioritise that by the chronological order in which I made the promises.

I anticipate the Touge Monaro drive. 👍
 
Thanks for the tune TTL. I was driving this beastie Now I have no problem stepping out the rear in a AWD. Thanks again.
 
nd 4 holden spd
You got wheelspin with a power level like that? :confused:
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I'm a bit :odd: at that comment too. I can get around the same power level with different mods (392hp), but built a Clubsport R8 spec SS to represent what it truly is with HSV, exactly 285Kw/530Nm (20Nm up on stock). 13.4sec 1/4's, 270km/h top speed, almost NO wheelspin on S3's and stupidly driftable on N3's. :mischievous:

I'm starting to get my own little collection built up....I might share these cars with you all sometime. ;)
 
Rotary Junkie
Psst, road cars actually DO have very slight toe. They're supposed to. If memory serves, it's a very slight toe-in up front. Might be toe-out... Can't quite remember.
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I used to build cars for the now-defunct DaimlerChrysler and my job was--get this--toe alignment, from base models all the way up to the SRT-8. All of the production cars used zero toe with a tolerance of 0.005 degrees from zero. Cars that failed the alignment test had their toe re-zeroed and tested again before leaving the facility.
 
That tolerance is so small that (at least on the front) the tie-rod ends would have to be solid. They are NOT on any road vehicle I've seen. They've got rubber bushings. Even new, there's a bit of flex. So kick the tire and it fails the test? Nah, I think not.

If that's the kind of tolerances they use in the suspension, why is the interior fit and finish allowed to be so horrid? (From a basic Neon straight up to last-gen ML class Benz)
 
I think that you're getting camber and toe mixed up RJ. :) It's allowed to have some camber from factory, but not toe angle. It's part of the safety rules for new car makers.
 

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