The Lion's Den - California Now Released

With a change to the physics due on August 1st, all of my tunes will become obsolete, meaning I will either have to go through and modify each one, or delete them. Basically what I'm saying is: There may be a couple of months where none of my pre-update tunes work, so please bear with me while I find the time to make the updates.
I also regret to announce that there might not be any new tunes until after the update, when I hope we get some more interesting events. I'll do any request tunes still, but as always I ask you review one of my cars first.

To be honest, any drivers such as myself who regularly use your tunes will be happy to test the cars to see if there's any difference. I've written the tunes I used most down in a notebook so that when everything is reset I can apply them all to my cars again. I'd be surprised if the physics change was that drastic it made the tunes obsolete.

Indeed, I think some tunes may be affected while others are not, but I don't think they'll turn the Ford GT LM into an Evo X and vice versa.

homeforsummer

To be honest, any drivers such as myself who regularly use your tunes will be happy to test the cars to see if there's any difference.

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Count me in as well .

Well OK, thanks for the support guys. I'll be helping too though, don't you worry.

Hey man, first off I love your tunes. I would like to review your Amuse S2000. I used your S2000 set up for 750pp Sakuza all the time. First off, this has to be one of the best all around tunes out there. It may not beat your Z06/Tuned set up in a 1/4 mile(also amazing BTW) but what it lacks in straight line speed it more than makes up for in cornering. This car does not feel like a RWD vehicle at all. If you really push it, it will spin on you, but you have to be trying way too hard. Now I know you had nothing to do with how it looks, but it is also a damn sexy beast. On a scale of 1 - 10, this car is easily a 9.5. Keep up the good work.

thugbear2005

Hey man, first off I love your tunes. I would like to review your Amuse S2000. I used your S2000 set up for 750pp Sakuza all the time. First off, this has to be one of the best all around tunes out there. It may not beat your Z06/Tuned set up in a 1/4 mile(also amazing BTW) but what it lacks in straight line speed it more than makes up for in cornering. This car does not feel like a RWD vehicle at all. If you really push it, it will spin on you, but you have to be trying way too hard. Now I know you had nothing to do with how it looks, but it is also a damn sexy beast. On a scale of 1 - 10, this car is easily a 9.5. Keep up the good work.

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Well the looks is personal preference , but thanks for the compliments. I'll send you that AM Corvette in under 24hrs (presuming nothing horrible happens ). I must admit, because I had the option of driving American Muscle, I never really used the Amuse, but it was a good car nonetheless.

I have to say well done to N4HS, I've used a few of your tunes as a starting point for my own and on the whole your setups are extremely sound and only need a tiny tweak here and there to make them fit my specific driving style, but I do have a question that I hope you can answer:-

On most of the tunes I've tried from TLD I notice the brakes are turned right down with emphasis to the back brakes which seems to be opposite to what I'd always been taught, ie:- front brakes always do most of the work so having the brakes balanced more to the front puts the braking pressure where it will be used most. what is the reason behind using the reversed braking setup? I tried it set up as you suggest but the brakes seem to hardly work when set that way.

I know it seems a bit of a silly question to you, but the rest of your tunes are so perfect I cant help but think that I'm missing something fundamental regarding your brake setups. The only thing I can think of that might make a difference is that I use pedal brake/accel and when braking I almost never give the brakes 100%, is your braking system geared more towards aggressive use of brakes?


Other than the braking oddity, love your work!!! Keep it up mate!

Maffski

I have to say well done to N4HS, I've used a few of your tunes as a starting point for my own and on the whole your setups are extremely sound and only need a tiny tweak here and there to make them fit my specific driving style, but I do have a question that I hope you can answer:-

On most of the tunes I've tried from TLD I notice the brakes are turned right down with emphasis to the back brakes which seems to be opposite to what I'd always been taught, ie:- front brakes always do most of the work so having the brakes balanced more to the front puts the braking pressure where it will be used most. what is the reason behind using the reversed braking setup? I tried it set up as you suggest but the brakes seem to hardly work when set that way.

I know it seems a bit of a silly question to you, but the rest of your tunes are so perfect I cant help but think that I'm missing something fundamental regarding your brake setups. The only thing I can think of that might make a difference is that I use pedal brake/accel and when braking I almost never give the brakes 100%, is your braking system geared more towards aggressive use of brakes?


Other than the braking oddity, love your work!!! Keep it up mate!

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Thanks for the compliments.👍

Now for your brakes questions. I've had this asked a few times, and the simple answer is that with this kind of setup the car has better turn-in under brakes. You can change them any way you like, your braking distance won't change. This also does not change the size of the brake discs or pads, so have no fear, all the braking pressure is truly still up front. This changes the sensitivity, and like I said, a setup like this helps to have better turn-in under brakes. I try to aim to have the right balance so when you hit the brakes, it doesn't understeer, and the rear doesn't brake loose very easily. Sometimes I will need more sensitive brakes up front (see: Nissan GTR), but not too often. This is especially useful for trail braking, you can brake right into a corner, and the car will stay on its exact course, making for smoother driving, and therefore faster driving. It's also useful in twin apex sweepers, so once again you can hit the brakes mid-corner and the car will stay on the same line.

*DING* 💡 it all makes sense now hehe.

So would this work better when applying brakes + accelerator together? ie more power to back brakes would slow the rear wheels down more to catch a slide more easily? Sorta like using the brake to modulate the ammount of turn in.

Must just be the way I drive is too different or wierd to get the most from having the brakes set that way. I'm not sure if I use the brakes much mid corner unless its subconciously... who knows.

BTW, gotta say I love the R8 tune you gave us, 11/10

Maffski

*DING* 💡 it all makes sense now hehe.

So would this work better when applying brakes + accelerator together? ie more power to back brakes would slow the rear wheels down more to catch a slide more easily? Sorta like using the brake to modulate the ammount of turn in.

Must just be the way I drive is too different or wierd to get the most from having the brakes set that way. I'm not sure if I use the brakes much mid corner unless its subconciously... who knows.

BTW, gotta say I love the R8 tune you gave us, 11/10

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Yes, using the brakes to modulate turn-in, but I don't know about catching slides, as I tune with the intention of not letting a slide happen in the first place. Some people do trail brake more than others, but I feel everyone does it just a little, and sometimes you get the sweepers where you don't really have a choice. Brakes often are a preference thing.
(Again, thanks for the compliment in the R8, I'm sure PD screwed up the physics for tuning spring rates though, so I modified it their way, not the way I would in real life.)

The update comes in 2 days guys, do I still have support for re-evaluating tunes?

Edit: The update has cometh, and I have beginneth re-evaluating the tunes. I will try and list changes here in this post, if there is no change, I will write that, so if the car you're after is not here, it has not been updated yet, and as such, is not advisable to use. Thankyou for your co-operation while I do this long and arduous task.👍

TLD Alfa 147: No changes, bar now on S3 tyres (for a reality check) and has more power through a better exhaust and revised ECU- the car that made me famous is back, and as lethal and versatile as ever.
TLD Amuse/Opera 350Z: Change to final drive gear ratio and power output increased through revised ECU, bigger cam, and head work. Now up to a mean 699 PP, the car of the very popular R3 600 PP era is back to play with the big boys.
TLD Audi R8: Change to final gear ratio and down-tuned engine replaced with beefier engine putting out more power than stock. Despite all the hub-bub about RWD being more controllable (thank the lucky stars above), AWD still has a clean cut traction advantage like it should. Without my tune the R8 is pretty average, with it and it's in another league.
TLD Ferrari 512BB: Change to final drive gear ratio, and kick-ass injected all round. The new-old 512BB had issues with the stock suspension. The body rolled so much that the inside tyre became disconnected with the road. With TLD's trickery the car is surprisingly easy to drive surprisingly aggressive, but don't expect it to be the fastest out there.
TLD Ford Mustang GT: Revised spring rates, final drive, and power outputs, this one remains at 600 PP, and has now been adapted to High Speed Ring. In the HSR time trial event I managed a 1'14.994, less than 2.5sec behind the 1st place NSX. Not bad for an ageing, live rear axle, 5spd tall deck V8 Mustang. I challenge someone to use my Mustang and beat my time, I bet it could be done, but I did pretty well. 120th at time of completion, but I'm sure every n00b will grab the NSX sooner or later, so I'll enjoy the glory while it's there.
TLD Jaguar XK Coupe: Revised power output and tyres, new damper settings. I thought long and hard where to put this one (aprox. 6hrs- yeah, a lot), and in the end, there aren't any current events deserving or befitting this car. So I slapped on the best road legal tyres we have, and opened up the taps just for the hell of it. Makes for a pretty fun joyride. If new events come and this one will fit in, I'll put it there.
TLD Lancia Delta HF Integrale: Revisions in power and weight and tyres, spring rates and damper settings, steering angle, Final Drive gear ratio. I love driving this car, but it's never really competitive any where. I tried it in 600 PP Eiger TT, where I could tune the gears short enough to eradicate the problem of a dodgy power curve, and you'd think a small AWD rally hatch would do well there but it can't even beat my 147 time. So I gave it the same treatment as my 147, it's now on road legal tyres, and still runs 500 PP. It's probably more satisfying to drive now though, as it has a better power curve, and feels more realistic than when it had the super grip of R3 tyres.
TLD Mistubishi Evo X: Changes to power and weight, and Final Drive. I converted this one to an Eiger Nordwand Special, seeing the top time is held by one of these in the TT and it seems rather boring anywhere else. Unfortunately I am 3sec off the top time, so maybe someone else can utilise this great tune better than I can.
TLD Ford GT: Too many things changed to list, this is now a Fuji Special. Absolute weapon of a thing, I pulled a low 1'38 in time trial with mistakes. Second race I entered I came 2nd to a skilled JP driver, and 3rd place was another 6sec behind me.
TLD Chevrolet Corvette Z06: Started from scratch and turned out a monster, should fit in on any track. (You all know how I live the Corvette, so you know this'll be a good tune).
TLD Nissan GT-R: Revised power, springs, dampers, rear toe, Final Drive. Fastest car I've tested yet at Fuji, but I'm sure it will still work at Suzuka.

Nice mustang, Great sound of V8 moaning under the hood and keeps itsels well on the road almost zero oversteer and none understeer makes it easy to drive.
I couldn't beat your time now :/ best i got so far is 1.15.155 wich made me rank 167. It's close but not good enought :]

I'm going to give your 512 BB a go. Got to get some coffee in first.

HulaG

Nice mustang, Great sound of V8 moaning under the hood and keeps itsels well on the road almost zero oversteer and none understeer makes it easy to drive.
I couldn't beat your time now :/ best i got so far is 1.15.155 wich made me rank 167. It's close but not good enought :]

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It is fun, thanks for driving it.👍 I had a session with that Mustang where I did around 10 consecutive laps where each one was faster than the one preceding it, until I peaked and knew the time was pretty good. I think I'm down to 140th now.

Ravenmaven

I'm going to give your 512 BB a go. Got to get some coffee in first.

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That'd be nice.👍 Certainly a fun one, hope you enjoy it.

Edit: Perhaps I could repay you with a review of one of your cars tomorrow.👍

Can i ask a favour N4HS, after the update i tried the tracks and decided the Fuji is the lesser of three evils, i took some standard cars maxed their pp's left everything else bog standard, the GTR, Clio look like they are going to be Kings of Fuji but was surprised that the Ford GT was near enough up there, so was wondering if you could provide a decent set up for this to get the best out of it, cheers in advance JP

Hey Again Holden!
I'm using your F40 tune to compete in the Fuji 750 pro, but the big 4-0 is a little down on power. I was wondering if you could stiffen up the suspension on the 599, seeing as i'm more competative with that car anyway. Thanks in advance for the help

-Rennsport

Cashwars

Can i ask a favour N4HS, after the update i tried the tracks and decided the Fuji is the lesser of three evils, i took some standard cars maxed their pp's left everything else bog standard, the GTR, Clio look like they are going to be Kings of Fuji but was surprised that the Ford GT was near enough up there, so was wondering if you could provide a decent set up for this to get the best out of it, cheers in advance JP

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Rennsport

Hey Again Holden!
I'm using your F40 tune to compete in the Fuji 750 pro, but the big 4-0 is a little down on power. I was wondering if you could stiffen up the suspension on the 599, seeing as i'm more competative with that car anyway. Thanks in advance for the help

-Rennsport

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I will get to both of these cars soon guys, it sounds like the Ford GT won't have to be a HSR Special any more. By the way, can you hear the supercharger whine now in the GT?

never driven a car with supercharger, but don't seem to hear anything tht made my ears prick up

Cashwars

never driven a car with supercharger, but don't seem to hear anything tht made my ears prick up

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I just finished tuning it (check your PMs), and I sat there slowly building the revs to see what I could hear. PD paid too much attention to turbos and not enough to superchargers (and keep in mind the superchargers of GT4 would have only run about 4psi.). The sound is there, but it's so faint that is just blends in with the engine noise.

right quick two lapper in free practice, been called into work so no time to try properly time 1.38.845

Rennsport

Hey Again Holden!
I'm using your F40 tune to compete in the Fuji 750 pro, but the big 4-0 is a little down on power. I was wondering if you could stiffen up the suspension on the 599, seeing as i'm more competative with that car anyway. Thanks in advance for the help

-Rennsport

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I think you're going to be very pleased with the 599. I'm just fine tuning the rear toe (after finding it still got a bit taily when you're getting punted online), but so far it's almost as quick as the Ford GT.

Cashwars

right quick two lapper in free practice, been called into work so no time to try properly time 1.38.845

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That's a quick time for only 2 laps. I have a feeling you'll be winning in that one.

Performance:

Power: +5
Weight: 85%
Tyres: R3

Settings:

Suspension:
Ride Height: -20/-18
Spring Rate: 8/5
Damper: 7/3
Toe: -0.14/+0.10
Camber: 1.5/1.0

Brake Balance: 1/4

Max Turn Angle: 40

All driving aids are up to the driver, tuned with all aids off except ABS at 1

Gear Ratios:
1st: 2.762
2nd: 1.936
3rd: 1.512
4th: 1.218
5th: 0.996
6th: 0.844
Final: 4.265

Description: Don't let the lower PP fool you, this 599 has a crouching tiger, a hidden dragon. The V12 under hood is pushing astronomical amounts of power without badly effecting the handling, this one could easily become a favourite. Hopefully this will restore some popularity to my struggling garage.

I just took ur gtr-35 for a ride.. DAMN IT'S GODDES! Fast good handling almost impossible to spin around awesome car! NICE JOB. Only thing in this car that it sounds awfull while changin gear :S

ps. I noticed PD had added turbo sound? sad that it's so quiet but better than nothing =)

damn that gtr.. just won online race with over 6sec lead

HulaG

I just took ur gtr-35 for a ride.. DAMN IT'S GODDES! Fast good handling almost impossible to spin around awesome car! NICE JOB. Only thing in this car that it sounds awfull while changin gear :S

ps. I noticed PD had added turbo sound? sad that it's so quiet but better than nothing =)

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Thanks for driving, and complimenting, my GT-R. You can hear the turbo now yes, but if you want sweet gear change noises, try the 599 while braking and changing down. Crisp and effective.

HulaG

damn that gtr.. just won online race with over 6sec lead

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I'm not surprised.

Will have to try, just need some money on this psn bought so many different cars and it made me broke

but few races with gtr should make me millionaire

That ferrari surprised me it's really powerfull and fast turns also well but need to be carefull with trhottle driving this one. Very fun to drive if u get bored bout normal driving u can just pull some hand brake and drift around those corners.
Nice high rpm sound all the time =D
Nice car, well done.

Cashwars

right quick two lapper in free practice, been called into work so no time to try properly time 1.38.845

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unfortunately i can only get this down to 1.38.749, need to get some more practice but like i've mentioned before i'm more of an AWD not talented enough with the RW, wish i had the knowledge so i could try and point out how and why im getting a faster time by just under a second in another tune, will edit when i get some more laps under my belt for now the GTR is calling

HulaG

That ferrari surprised me it's really powerfull and fast turns also well but need to be carefull with trhottle driving this one. Very fun to drive if u get bored bout normal driving u can just pull some hand brake and drift around those corners.
Nice high rpm sound all the time =D
Nice car, well done.

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Thanks. I had to make it more controllable after the first phase of tuning. I took it out for an online race and kept stepping the tail out trying not to get punted, so I made it more controllable, glad you liked it.

Cashwars

unfortunately i can only get this down to 1.38.749, need to get some more practice but like i've mentioned before i'm more of an AWD not talented enough with the RW, wish i had the knowledge so i could try and point out how and why im getting a faster time by just under a second in another tune, will edit when i get some more laps under my belt for now the GTR is calling

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You're more talented than I am, as my current best in the GT is a 1'39.1. It does make me wonder, when I look at other tunes I can't help but think to myself how some things seem "wrong", yet sometimes they turn out faster for others, and I get confused.