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[Apollo87]

PS - From what I understand reading these forums, the easiest (most predictable), yet competitive RWD car to drive is the F430. I think I'll try it one of these days.

So far, the easiest RWD car I've driven is the Amuse/Opera 350Z with TLD's tune, the F430 is a little trickier so I suggest trying the Z before you go to the F430.

 

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I've got a favour to ask can you please retune the Honda NSX-R to fit with the S2 tyres so I can actually race mine online please? I've almost the same tuning with yours only differences is that My camber is 1.0 front 0.5 on rear and I didn't touch the toe for the car because I heard from proffessional driver that you shoud put it on 0 to make the car balanced. And is it possible to eliminate the lift off oversteer that this car has? cause I found it impossible I did a few trial and errors but never been able to set it the way I wanted.

My NSX setup works well, just use all my R3 tyres setings but make the rear toe +0.15. That professional driver might have said that, but simple truth, toe-out at rear makes the car turn more, toe-in at the rear makes it more stable.

My mistake mate, after doing some more offline laps in the Corvette, I found that the turn in was actually very good and I apologise. I don't know, I can't trust the feel of a car online, but at the end of the day, I guess how the car feels in the heat of battle is what really matters.

Just so you know, I'm dying for a car other than the NSX and Ferrari that can take it up to the AWD cars, but I'm yet to find it. The Corvette seems to have come out of the shadows lately, it's so rare to see one on circuit, even rarer to come across a person who can drive one half decently. It is in my opinion the best RWD car in the game (no MR cars considered), but I'm wondering if it's best left to a 750PP setup.

Neither here nor there is it?

I trust the Z06 perfectly, even more so than the R8 actually. In the Corvette at least if I do make a mistake it's correctable. Not so easy to do in the R8 (or any AWD), if you start understeering off the road (it happens alright) you're going to die.

The Viper(SRT10) can stick it to the AWD cars. 👍 I do so regularly, and it seems to match that Corvette fairly well.

Mmm, no it can't. Maybe on Fuji, but a well drive AWD car will own the Viper.

Holden, a promise is a promise, so here I am. I tried your Corvette (original settings, only now I noticed you changed them), and I'm sorry to say that I just couldn't get decent lap times from it.

1st night was a mess really. Ardius must remember it, he was a very patient fellow, but his intents got frustrated (measuring his Viper against me in the Vette). The truth was that I couldn't get a full lap without going off ...

I guess I just don't qualify to be a good test driver, due to lack of skill. And also because, as I said in previous posts, so far my usual car has been the Nissan GTR. It's not even the fastest AWD out there, but at least it's a very stable car, with it I don't get embarassed while online.

Anyway, that night my best lap (of the few clean ones I managed to do ) was a 2.24.xx (my record so far is 2.18.xx with the GTR when in third position, 2.19.xx going in the lead)

I had a very hard time to get used to oversteering, not only in low speeds (hairpin, chicane) but also while trying to get back on the throttle in the fast corners (I don't know their names, but you know what corners I'm talking about).

I also had a very hard time to keep it straight while braking. I drive always with all assists off (except ABS set to 1) and it soon became clear to me that braking (I don't mean ramming the brakes, just touching them) when the car was not perfectly balanced was a very tricky thing to do.

So ... this was friday night. After that (Saturday and Sunday), I kept (always) your setups and started to try "harder". Eventually, I managed to get clean laps more often, but somehow I never felt I was driving the car, I was really "fighting" to keep it on track, don't know if you understand what I'm trying to say. From all I tried, my best lap was at 2.22.xx

I'm back to the GTR now, I think my adventure with a RWD didn't go that well, sorry.

Maybe, just maybe, the real problem (apart from my lack of skill) is that I'm still using the SIXAXIS and auto transmission.

PS - From what I understand reading these forums, the easiest (most predictable), yet competitive RWD car to drive is the F430. I think I'll try it one of these days.

I too use SIXAXIS and Auto, but RWD is certainly for those who can control it. I recommend using my Opera/Amuse 350Z to boost your confidence in RWD again.

Ardius I'm only in partial agreeance with the Viper being able to stick it to the AWD cars (that goes for the Corvette too) around Suzuka. I'm certain that it's a track issue and not necessarily the cars, as Suzuka is heavily biased towards those who can get the fastest exit speed out of a corner, you can't go past an AWD for getting on the throttle much earlier.

Holden, I take it your preference for a 600PP car between the Corvette and the Viper would be the bow-tie? Ardius, I'm dying to race you some more, a good ol' fashioned muscle-fest would be a pleasure. Is there a TLD tune you use for the SRT?

I have a TLD Viper SRT10. If there's a muscle fest coming let me know, I'm in. Show you how it's done.

Its a DC tune

The AWD's might be able to get out of the corners faster, but I can accelerate to 130mph faster, I always catch them on the straights, and once i can do that, I can take them through the corners, or at least follow them to the next straight, overtake them and then go defensive.

I will have to try and get online in the mornings more, so we can race. Unless you can race now?

A WRX accelerates faster than Viper or Corvette. Not as good in the corners as an R8 though which is why it's slower.

So far, the easiest RWD car I've driven is the Amuse/Opera 350Z with TLD's tune, the F430 is a little trickier so I suggest trying the Z before you go to the F430.

+1 It's the easiest RWD car, and the Clio/Tuned is also very easy, and a second faster than the Opera to boot.

 

[Timppaq]

Are we having our NSX v Corvette race someday? ..after friday I'm on holiday, again, for 3 weeks.. so I can race during the mornings so no worries there. 👍

 

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Are we having our NSX v Corvette race someday? ..after friday I'm on holiday, again, for 3 weeks.. so I can race during the mornings so no worries there. 👍

Nah, I drove the Honda NSX myself and it's too good. Although after only a couple laps I only get a 2'19. I feel that the most I could get from it if I tried is a 2'18, what's wrong with me?

 

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TLD Audi R8
(334kw) (450Nm) (1326kg) (600 PP) (Pro/Standard Physics)​

Performance:

Power: +7
Weight: 85%
Tyres: R3

Settings:

Suspension:
Ride Height: -20/-20
Spring Rates: 8/2
Damper: 3/6
Toe: -0.10/-0.10
Camber: 1.0/0.4

Brake Balance: 3/6

Max Turn Angle: 40

All driving aids up to driver, tuned with all aids off except ABS at 1

Gear Ratios:
1st: 3.707
2nd: 2.376
3rd: 1.805
4th: 1.436
5th: 1.178
6th: 1.007
Final: 3.492

Description: The car that never lets go, the main reason it's so fast. TLD is back with vengeance, after a long time of leaving the racers of GTP with cars in 600 PP that are more fun than fast, TLD now has the R8 to take on the world of racers out there, and I believe the car is feeling right on its game. Anyone who uses this should be competitive. Have fun.

 

[Timppaq]

Nah, I drove the Honda NSX myself and it's too good. Although after only a couple laps I only get a 2'19. I feel that the most I could get from it if I tried is a 2'18, what's wrong with me?

ok.. so you take back those words you said about you gaining almost everywhere and owning me? (kidding, not serious here)

 

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ok.. so you take back those words you said about you gaining almost everywhere and owning me? (kidding, not serious here)

Wellll..... I'm sure there are a couple of corners I could make a mortal upset on, but you? I don't know. We should have a race anyway, just for fun, not to prove anything.

 

[Timppaq]

Of course! ..nice to have good racers around in the mornings, if one feels like GT.. 👍

 

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Of course! ..nice to have good racers around in the mornings, if one feels like GT.. 👍

This time tomorrow.👍 I have too many TV shows on tonight.

 

[Timppaq]

after friday, I said.. ... so next week it is.

 

[Beerz]

N4HS - Is there any way to make the F430 understeer less? I've got it set up in a way that makes it drive almost like it's on rails on most of the track, but I can't get below 2:18.5xx mostly due to the huge understeer the car has, especially on the Esses and on 130R.
Also, going in the 1st corner of Degner, (not as bad on the free run, but terrible under racing), the rear snaps, no matter how smooth I enter. Weird, because it doesn't happen anywhere else. Is it normal with this car? Are there ways to correct through setup or I'll just have to take that corner slower? I'm currently entering it at about 134kph.

Thanks for any input.

BTW, I've been using your Tuned Z06 setup for 750pp races, and I can't get over how awesome and fast that car is. Great work there, not easy make a car that powerful easy to drive without losing its edge and overall speed. 👍

 

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N4HS - Is there any way to make the F430 understeer less? I've got it set up in a way that makes it drive almost like it's on rails on most of the track, but I can't get below 2:18.5xx mostly due to the huge understeer the car has, especially on the Esses and on 130R.
Also, going in the 1st corner of Degner, (not as bad on the free run, but terrible under racing), the rear snaps, no matter how smooth I enter. Weird, because it doesn't happen anywhere else. Is it normal with this car? Are there ways to correct through setup or I'll just have to take that corner slower? I'm currently entering it at about 134kph.

Thanks for any input.

BTW, I've been using your Tuned Z06 setup for 750pp races, and I can't get over how awesome and fast that car is. Great work there, not easy make a car that powerful easy to drive without losing its edge and overall speed. 👍

To the devoted tuner almost any car is fixable. I'll have to get back in that car and try, I remember the understeer but never really got "in to" the car because to me at least it seems to soul-less, so I never finished polishing it off. I don't know where Degner is, so I assume it's between the hairpin and double left-hander. I take big wide entries into those corners in any car. I don't remember the F430 having any hint of snap oversteer there, and I wouldn't have though it does with its MR setup and "stock standard" downforce. I'll get a setup for you as soon as possible. That will be 24hrs at least though sorry. See if I can cure this mysterious understeer.

Thanks for the comment on the Tuned Z06. While you're waiting you could try this new car:

 

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TLD Mazda RX-7
(271kw) (377Nm) (1079kg) (600 PP) (Pro Physics)​

Performance:

Power: +28
Weight: 85%
Tyres: S2
Aerodynamics: 0/8

Settings:

Suspension:
Ride Height: -40/-36
Spring Rates: 6/4
Damper: 8/6
Toe: -0.16/+0.10
Camber: 1.5/1.0

Brake Balance: 1/5

Max Turn Angle: 40

All driving aids up to driver, tuned with all aids off except ABS at 1

Gear Ratios:
1st: 2.895
2nd: 1.765
3rd: 1.332
4th: 1.055
5th: 0.857
Final: 4.140

Description: After releasing some muscle the other week, it occured to me that not everyone's driving style is accustomed to torque, which is why I want to release this as yet unloved rice burner. A funny car, where its weakness is also its strong point. A lack of low end grunt can mean bad acceleration, but also means you can slam down the throttle in slow corners and not spin the wheels. The car will let go if you push it too hard, so please keep your RWD caps on a little longer and take a drive in the RX-7. With only the weight of a rotary to push around it feels very waspy, a very fun car to drive.

 

[Beerz]

N4HS - Degner is the double right-hander before the bridge and the hairpin.
But that's no biggie there, it's manageable. My main gripe is the huge understeer all over the place, it feels I have to take all corners at less 15% speed because of that, and I'm losing time all over the track (except on the straights, of course).
I'll PM you my current setup when I get home from work, see what you can make of it. Thanks, mate. 👍

 

[888 Tuning]

TLD Mazda RX-7
(271kw) (377Nm) (1079kg) (600 PP) (Pro Physics)​

Performance:

Power: +28
Weight: 85%
Tyres: S2
Aerodynamics: 0/8

Settings:

Suspension:
Ride Height: -40/-36
Spring Rates: 6/4
Damper: 8/6
Toe: -0.16/+0.10
Camber: 1.5/1.0

Brake Balance: 1/5

Max Turn Angle: 40

All driving aids up to driver, tuned with all aids off except ABS at 1

Gear Ratios:
1st: 2.895
2nd: 1.765
3rd: 1.332
4th: 1.055
5th: 0.857
Final: 4.140

Description: After releasing some muscle the other week, it occured to me that not everyone's driving style is accustomed to torque, which is why I want to release this as yet unloved rice burner. A funny car, where its weakness is also its strong point. A lack of low end grunt can mean bad acceleration, but also means you can slam down the throttle in slow corners and not spin the wheels. The car will let go if you push it too hard, so please keep your RWD caps on a little longer and take a drive in the RX-7. With only the weight of a rotary to push around it feels very waspy, a very fun car to drive.

I have had a few pm requests for this car lately for an upcoming race and have to say I think this car is a hoot to drive especially at Fuji. Once its balanced properly its such a sweet car to drive. The only drawback.. its too quiet. If your a rotor fan (I am) then I want to hear that 13B wail.
I really like they way they have replicated the power delivery of this car too, with a big turbo rush at the top end... nice ; )

 

[rexc]

Hi Holden, I checked out your London Z4 tune and for me I found it felt a better drive than J-PaP's. Just a personal preference of course. Looking at how you had set it up I picked up a few tips to try out on the Lotus and within 3 laps I had taken another .15 secs off my best free run. Down to 1.02.514 now. It should definately get down into the 1.02.4s now that it is runnng with a TLD inspired tune.

I'll keep an eye out for the finalised date/time of the Z4 showdown. If it suits you can count me in. 👍

 

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N4HS - Degner is the double right-hander before the bridge and the hairpin.
But that's no biggie there, it's manageable. My main gripe is the huge understeer all over the place, it feels I have to take all corners at less 15% speed because of that, and I'm losing time all over the track (except on the straights, of course).
I'll PM you my current setup when I get home from work, see what you can make of it. Thanks, mate. 👍

OK, in the mean time I will work on my setup for the car.

I have had a few pm requests for this car lately for an upcoming race and have to say I think this car is a hoot to drive especially at Fuji. Once its balanced properly its such a sweet car to drive. The only drawback.. its too quiet. If your a rotor fan (I am) then I want to hear that 13B wail.
I really like they way they have replicated the power delivery of this car too, with a big turbo rush at the top end... nice ; )

With its factory exhaust it sounds about right to me. I'm not a rotor fan, but it has a typical rotary power delivery. I'm going to try the RX-8 too though, maybe for 500 PP if it can't reach 600 PP.💡

Hi Holden, I checked out your London Z4 tune and for me I found it felt a better drive than J-PaP's. Just a personal preference of course. Looking at how you had set it up I picked up a few tips to try out on the Lotus and within 3 laps I had taken another .15 secs off my best free run. Down to 1.02.514 now. It should definately get down into the 1.02.4s now that it is runnng with a TLD inspired tune.

I'll keep an eye out for the finalised date/time of the Z4 showdown. If it suits you can count me in. 👍

That's excellent to hear mate. Especially the part where you were able to make your tune better with inspiration from mine.👍 Good to have you in the Showdown too.

 

[dhil1on]

TLD I would like to say a huge thanks for the Amuse s2000 setup I got a time of 2.09 online PP750 - great set up all round.

once again Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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TLD I would like to say a huge thanks for the Amuse s2000 setup I got a time of 2.09 online PP750 - great set up all round.

once again Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're welcome, glad I could be of service.

 

[AERO_HDT]

Hey Holden... just a quick one...

You don't go under another nick online do you? Because if you do, you're the damned fastest RWD guy I've ever seen...

Just got flogged in a guy in an Orange Vette around Suzuka... 7'00 flat was his time... unbelievable.

He then proceeded to whip me with an RX-7 after I made some decidedly awkward changes to my own Chev...

Hmmmm.....

By the way, I love the RX-7 - should theoretically be just as good as the NSX, but you're right, the lack of torque means the old rotary is a wheezer and can't pull away from corners as well as I'd like. It takes a long time for that engine to spool up too, but when it's crackin' it's unreal.

 

[Sinsemila]

That was me, I use Holden's setup for both cars. That was fun when you swithed to the R8, I just couldnt get close enough to get the slip stream , i think I did 7'00.2 in the RX7 and the Corvette.

 

[AERO_HDT]

Sinsemila, you really are something special mate, you were the very first Aussie I raced against months and months ago and I remember you from the Skyline Concept that you used to race. It's a sheer joy to have you running around Suzuka, but you're way too quick for me. I'm ashamed to admit that the only answer I have for you is the lousy R8.

How do you keep it so clean? Perfect lines, no mistakes, the only people I've seen drive like that are... real GT veterans.

Come to think of it, I've never seen such flawless driving before. You are awesome, plain and simple.

Holden mate, looks like I'll have to give that Corvette another twirl because Sinsemila walks away from me at an easy 2 seconds a lap with your tune. Christ, looks like I gotta lift my driving!

 

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Hey Holden... just a quick one...

You don't go under another nick online do you? Because if you do, you're the damned fastest RWD guy I've ever seen...

Just got flogged in a guy in an Orange Vette around Suzuka... 7'00 flat was his time... unbelievable.

He then proceeded to whip me with an RX-7 after I made some decidedly awkward changes to my own Chev...

Hmmmm.....

By the way, I love the RX-7 - should theoretically be just as good as the NSX, but you're right, the lack of torque means the old rotary is a wheezer and can't pull away from corners as well as I'd like. It takes a long time for that engine to spool up too, but when it's crackin' it's unreal.

Thanks for the compliment of the RX-7, it seems to be an inherent trait of the poor old rotary to have no low end, even the standard ones don't have a very good curve.

That was me, I use Holden's setup for both cars. That was fun when you swithed to the R8, I just couldnt get close enough to get the slip stream , i think I did 7'00.2 in the RX7 and the Corvette.

It seems I've made a very good pair of rivals. Muscle vs Japanese, Corvette vs RX-7. Two very different cars, and strikingly similar lap times. Hard to split them. (I still don't know how you race so awesome!)

Sinsemila, you really are something special mate, you were the very first Aussie I raced against months and months ago and I remember you from the Skyline Concept that you used to race. It's a sheer joy to have you running around Suzuka, but you're way too quick for me. I'm ashamed to admit that the only answer I have for you is the lousy R8.

How do you keep it so clean? Perfect lines, no mistakes, the only people I've seen drive like that are... real GT veterans.

Come to think of it, I've never seen such flawless driving before. You are awesome, plain and simple.

Holden mate, looks like I'll have to give that Corvette another twirl because Sinsemila walks away from me at an easy 2 seconds a lap with your tune. Christ, looks like I gotta lift my driving!

The trick is to be cautious, I dropped half a second off my lap time consistently after I realised just how easy it is to "over drive" this torque monster. Take it easy and you'll get faster in this one.

 

[AERO_HDT]

I can pull a 2'21 in the Corvette, but Sinsemila pulls 2'18's which is staggering. I don't think half a second is gonna be enough!

Help!

LOL!

 

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I can pull a 2'21 in the Corvette, but Sinsemila pulls 2'18's which is staggering. I don't think half a second is gonna be enough!

Help!

LOL!

Well when you put it that way. He does faster times in my Corvette than I do in an F430 or Amuse/Opera 350Z. I'm thinking about buy a steering wheel because I can really see where it could help, especially in consistency. So far my best in the Corvette is 2'20.3 and in Free Run I'm now averaging high 2'20s every lap. I want to get to the 2'19s, I believe I can, and I still use L2/R2 to brake/accelerate, and the joystick to steer.

 

[AERO_HDT]

I must admit I'm a right analogue throttle guy and it's not the most advantageous way to drive. Interesting that you use the NFS Pro-Street style N2/R2 application. It took me next to no time to get used to that style of driving when I played Pro Street and I found it was excellent because I could accelerate and brake at the same time.

Maybe I might have to adjust the SIXAXIS...

 

[Sinsemila]

Im sure if guys like Timpaq and others would try these slower cars they could go evan faster. I think the Corv is 2 seconds a lap slower than the NSX so that 7.00 is probably like doing a 6.54 in the NSX.
Im using a steering wheel so that definitly helps, i'm hopeless with a control pad. I grew up on the C64, Amiga and then to the pc using Joysticks all the time and can't drive at all with a control pad. If they made a nice Joystick that worked I would love to try that.

Im still using your original gear settings Holden (final drive 4.5) on the Corvette, I normally change gears about 500rpm before redline. What speed to you hit down the front straight with the new gearing, I think I hit 245kph

 

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Im sure if guys like Timpaq and others would try these slower cars they could go evan faster. I think the Corv is 2 seconds a lap slower than the NSX so that 7.00 is probably like doing a 6.54 in the NSX.
Im using a steering wheel so that definitly helps, i'm hopeless with a control pad. I grew up on the C64, Amiga and then to the pc using Joysticks all the time and can't drive at all with a control pad. If they made a nice Joystick that worked I would love to try that.

Im still using your original gear settings Holden (final drive 4.5) on the Corvette, I normally change gears about 500rpm before redline. What speed to you hit down the front straight with the new gearing, I think I hit 245kph

I hit 244km/hr every time without fail, but corner exits are much more manageable, and I had a slower top speed than that with the old gearing. I recommend you give the new gearing a try.

 

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TLD Nissan Skyline Sedan Infiniti G35 Sedan​

(232kw) (358Nm) (1384kg) (600 PP) (Pro/Standard Physics)​

Performance:

Power: 0
Weight: 86%
Tyres: R3

Settings:

Suspension:
Ride Height: -30/-28
Spring Rates: 8/6
Dampers: 6/4
Toe: -0.16/-0.15
Camber: 1.9/1.6

Brake Balance: 1/4

Max Turn Angle: 40

All driving aids are up to driver, tuned with all aids off except ABS on 1

Gear Ratios:
1st: 3.245
2nd: 2.022
3rd: 1.477
4th: 1.141
5th: 0.903
Final: 4.190

Description: Don't let the weight fool you, this car is incredibly stable and doesn't understeer as much as you'd think. It does in fact have reasonable speed at Suzuka and although finding someone to race has been hard, I imagine it is very competitve. Perhaps the first time someone can use this car and have a chance at winning, enjoy.

 

[NLxAROSA]

Interesting car choice, looking forward to giving it a go. 👍