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[Crowsy]

Boy you live dangerously Cashwars, LOL.

Although I'm not much of a fan of those muscle cars Holden I'll give a review of that Corvette when I get 5 mins and if you don't mind I can get a better driver than me to test it as well.

PS. I hope the Lotus is still not causing much trouble. Don't mean to be impatient Holden but will you post the settings in the forum or send them by PM?

 

[Ardius]

Boy you live dangerously Cashwars, LOL.

Although I'm not much of a fan of those muscle cars Holden I'll give a review of that Corvette when I get 5 mins and if you don't mind I can get a better driver than me to test it as well.

PS. I hope the Lotus is still not causing much trouble. Don't mean to be impatient Holden but will you post the settings in the forum or send them by PM?

On a completely unrelated note, theres a programme on TV thats about to come on Channel Five about "great british inventors", this week it happens to be Formula 1 and it seems to be mainly focused on Lotus, so you may be interested. Its on at 19:30.

 

[Crowsy]

Damn missed it, thanks for thinking of it though. Do you know if channel 5 have a sevice like the BBCi player so you catch up on programmes?

 

[Ardius]

Damn missed it, thanks for thinking of it though. Do you know if channel 5 have a sevice like the BBCi player so you catch up on programmes?

Dont think so, hopefully someone will post it on youtube. You didn't really miss much, it wasnt as good as I thought it would be, but then you can only fit so much in half an hour.
It basically focused on how Colin Chapman introduced the monocoque chassis to F1.

 

[Apollo87]

Ok, so lately I've been off the GT5P for various reasons, but I recently purchased a wheel so I'm back with the addiction, so far I've only had it for a few days so I'm still getting used to it so I was looking for a car in the 600PP range since thats been my favorite so far, I tried a lot of cars and just didn't feel confortable, so I gave the 350Z a shot, I planned to practice a bit in free run but thought what the hell and raced online with it, totally new car never driven it before and I won, that tune is superb really manageable, great through the corners, I was amazed by how easy to drive it is, great tune N4HS.

 

[mikemav]

Is there no C6 'vette in the US version? All I see is the Z06?

 

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I popped in here on the off chance you'd got round to making a 600pp RW car, low and behold you have, unfortunately having test drove it without much success i've had to alter the suspension settings, probably to suit my driving style, more than likely because of being a fairly new driver on he RW scene i'm a bit too aggressive and the Vette doesn't like it. After the tweaks, hmmmmm i like it, took it for a race and i'm pretty sure cars moved over to let me through, probably amazed that a Corvette had suddenly appeared in their rear veiw mirror...oh and the pleasure, pure pleasure when i'm ever so slightly sliding it round the corner and i see in my rear veiw mirror the scoobies/Evo's sliding OFF the track(no tags), i'm sure other new drivers end up trying to hard, thinking to themselves i can't have THAT beating me, if only they knew, my windows are down, the tunes are playing and i got a ciggy in my mouth, enjoying my sunday drive, lol

LOL, thats' exactly what it's like. RWD is a Sunday drive.

Boy you live dangerously Cashwars, LOL.

Although I'm not much of a fan of those muscle cars Holden I'll give a review of that Corvette when I get 5 mins and if you don't mind I can get a better driver than me to test it as well.

PS. I hope the Lotus is still not causing much trouble. Don't mean to be impatient Holden but will you post the settings in the forum or send them by PM?

Sorry for the delay. I will PM it to you very soon, within a couple of hours.

Ok, so lately I've been off the GT5P for various reasons, but I recently purchased a wheel so I'm back with the addiction, so far I've only had it for a few days so I'm still getting used to it so I was looking for a car in the 600PP range since thats been my favorite so far, I tried a lot of cars and just didn't feel confortable, so I gave the 350Z a shot, I planned to practice a bit in free run but thought what the hell and raced online with it, totally new car never driven it before and I won, that tune is superb really manageable, great through the corners, I was amazed by how easy to drive it is, great tune N4HS.

Was this the Amuse/Opera Z? I figured it would still be good, glad to hear the tune works for you with S2 tyres as it was tuned on R3 tyres.

Is there no C6 'vette in the US version? All I see is the Z06?

Err, that's just me calling it that. It's the Z06, but it's so detuned it's very similar to the base model C6, bar torque curve which is horrible thanks to PD's law of modification.

 

[Apollo87]

Was this the Amuse/Opera Z? I figured it would still be good, glad to hear the tune works for you with S2 tyres as it was tuned on R3 tyres.

Yup, the Opera Z, and besides the minor adjustments for power as I left it in a -2 that's all that changes from the original, well besides the tires of course, and it feels like it was tuned for S2's really.

 

[mikemav]

Holden, did you ever get a chance to look at the Art Morrisson Vette I had requested? Not being pushy, sorry, just curious. I'm excited to go try out the C6 Vette now. Reminds me of my next idea. I was thinking of checking with you and 888 Tuning to see if you'd be receptive to someone uploading a full game save with your respective tunes set up in the full garages? I tried one other one out of curiousity, with all cars unlocked, just for the purposes of trying out all the new tunes easily. If I get all those saved, 2 mill maxed credits, I'd think that would be a pretty good gamesave.

Or do you feel that is too much of a shortcut and people really should follow these two threads and contribute before given the keys to all there is to offer? I'm torn, what do you think? Not to take the topic off track (nor dwell on the merits or demerits of using gamesaves), it's just this is just the particular reason I see a gamesave having real value to gain a wider base for feedback. PM if you prefer, but let me know what you think. They're your tunes, so all due respect and I'd never redistribute unless you think it's a good idea to widen the base.

 

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Holden, did you ever get a chance to look at the Art Morrisson Vette I had requested? Not being pushy, sorry, just curious. I'm excited to go try out the C6 Vette now. Reminds me of my next idea. I was thinking of checking with you and 888 Tuning to see if you'd be receptive to someone uploading a full game save with your respective tunes set up in the full garages? I tried one other one out of curiousity, with all cars unlocked, just for the purposes of trying out all the new tunes easily. If I get all those saved, 2 mill maxed credits, I'd think that would be a pretty good gamesave.

Or do you feel that is too much of a shortcut and people really should follow these two threads and contribute before given the keys to all there is to offer? I'm torn, what do you think? Not to take the topic off track (nor dwell on the merits or demerits of using gamesaves), it's just this is just the particular reason I see a gamesave having real value to gain a wider base for feedback. PM if you prefer, but let me know what you think. They're your tunes, so all due respect and I'd never redistribute unless you think it's a good idea to widen the base.

I thought we agreed the AM Corvette was not a car you wanted, because it didn't handle well enough?
Not all the cars are tuned in my save, and if you want a tune I'd like if people came to this thread instead. I'm a "do it yourself" kind of person, so I'm not really interested in downloading or uploading game saves.

 

[Crowsy]

Tried your Corvette tune m8, I found it tricky on the corners as I like to brake late but thats just me.

 

[GARY1951]

Tried your Corvette tune m8, I found it tricky on the corners as I like to brake late but thats just me.

Holden, I also tried the Corvette tune and it was quite a handful in the corners for me also.

 

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I see, and how often do you guys drive RWD? It's not AWD you know, and apart from the NSX and F430 it is one of the fastest RWD cars I've come across so far.

 

[AERO_HDT]

I also had the time to test your Corvette a few days ago Holden and once again, I found myself disappointed. I simply cannot understand your tuning logic when it comes to suspension/braking setups and I think you may have gotten things all mixed up a little.

Nowhere in the known world will you see a car with rear brake bias like that. I have no idea where you came up with the idea that it would be good to throw a level 1 brake on the front and crank it up to 6 at the rear. Every time you hit the brakes, the rear tyres tend to lock up, the car goes into a hairy tail-out slide and generally when that happens in a car, you control such things with the throttle. The Corvette has masses of torque at the rear, getting the back end to hook up is a nightmare without having the car step out on you. It's like hitting the handbrake.

I'm a rear wheel drive racer, I've always been so, ever since the days of the original GT, so I know what works and what doesn't. Admittedly what I like and what other people like is different, but I thought I'd give the TLD a decent go and I did, Numerous races, numerous losses, some didn't even get the time to finish, I was so far behind. I took notes and recorded all of the finishing times and admittedly, very few of these are 'clean' times because I was in the gravel at least once on each occaision. Some of those gravel trap visits were due to a tap or a punt, but the majority of them were due to being unable to keep the Corvette on the road under brakes.

Race 1: 7'24.543
Race 2: 8'00.318
Race 3: 7'53.275
Race 4: 7'35.461
Race 5: 7'42.265
Race 6: 7'50.578
Race 7: 7'29.881
Race 8: 7'33.693

Race Average: 7'41.252

It's not a very good race average I was able to extract and it really isn't by any means an indication of what the TLD tune could do (the 7'24 time was promising, but that was a no-crash 3P battle where I was able to hang onto it for 3 laps straight).

You can't honestly admit that this is your fastest creation yet. The 600PP tune with no suspension tweaks is much quicker over a 3 lap race and whilst the Corvette isn't a car that will win you races against a decent 4WD guy, it may very well be one of the quickest FR cars out there at the moment, but sadly not in the state of tune you've posted.

Please tell me why you came to the conclusion that it was wise to split the front/rear brake bias one to six? Under heavy braking, the rear grows light, the front tyres get pushed onto the road surface (hence creating better ability to grip and thus sustain higher braking forces before lock-up), yet you've placed all of your brake bias on the rear of the car where the light back end will lock up straight away, leaving you with no stability turning in towards an apex (at any speed).

Your logic is hard to fathom on this one mate.

 

[GARY1951]

I see, and how often do you guys drive RWD? It's not AWD you know, and apart from the NSX and F430 it is one of the fastest RWD cars I've come across so far.

Well I run your tuned Vete for 99% of my raceing and absolutely love it. It is probably just me.

 

[Crowsy]

Holden, I also tried the Corvette tune and it was quite a handful in the corners for me also.

I tend to drive the Brit sport cars, or try to lol. I'm no big fan of the muscle cars so always was going to find it difficult, I consider Aero a much bigger Authority on this than me.

 

[mikemav]

I thought we agreed the AM Corvette was not a car you wanted, because it didn't handle well enough?
Not all the cars are tuned in my save, and if you want a tune I'd like if people came to this thread instead. I'm a "do it yourself" kind of person, so I'm not really interested in downloading or uploading game saves.

Understood, cool, no problem. If not the AM Vette, could you take a stab at the Nissan Skyline Sedan 350GT, PP500, Pro Physics? I drive an '08 G35 sedan (as it's know in the states) in real life and love this car in the game as well, but I'd be curious your tuning take on it if you have a chance.

 

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I also had the time to test your Corvette a few days ago Holden and once again, I found myself disappointed. I simply cannot understand your tuning logic when it comes to suspension/braking setups and I think you may have gotten things all mixed up a little.

Nowhere in the known world will you see a car with rear brake bias like that. I have no idea where you came up with the idea that it would be good to throw a level 1 brake on the front and crank it up to 6 at the rear. Every time you hit the brakes, the rear tyres tend to lock up, the car goes into a hairy tail-out slide and generally when that happens in a car, you control such things with the throttle. The Corvette has masses of torque at the rear, getting the back end to hook up is a nightmare without having the car step out on you. It's like hitting the handbrake.

I'm a rear wheel drive racer, I've always been so, ever since the days of the original GT, so I know what works and what doesn't. Admittedly what I like and what other people like is different, but I thought I'd give the TLD a decent go and I did, Numerous races, numerous losses, some didn't even get the time to finish, I was so far behind. I took notes and recorded all of the finishing times and admittedly, very few of these are 'clean' times because I was in the gravel at least once on each occaision. Some of those gravel trap visits were due to a tap or a punt, but the majority of them were due to being unable to keep the Corvette on the road under brakes.

Race 1: 7'24.543
Race 2: 8'00.318
Race 3: 7'53.275
Race 4: 7'35.461
Race 5: 7'42.265
Race 6: 7'50.578
Race 7: 7'29.881
Race 8: 7'33.693

Race Average: 7'41.252

It's not a very good race average I was able to extract and it really isn't by any means an indication of what the TLD tune could do (the 7'24 time was promising, but that was a no-crash 3P battle where I was able to hang onto it for 3 laps straight).

You can't honestly admit that this is your fastest creation yet. The 600PP tune with no suspension tweaks is much quicker over a 3 lap race and whilst the Corvette isn't a car that will win you races against a decent 4WD guy, it may very well be one of the quickest FR cars out there at the moment, but sadly not in the state of tune you've posted.

Please tell me why you came to the conclusion that it was wise to split the front/rear brake bias one to six? Under heavy braking, the rear grows light, the front tyres get pushed onto the road surface (hence creating better ability to grip and thus sustain higher braking forces before lock-up), yet you've placed all of your brake bias on the rear of the car where the light back end will lock up straight away, leaving you with no stability turning in towards an apex (at any speed).

Your logic is hard to fathom on this one mate.

Do you drive with or without ABS? If you drive with ABS then your comments seem a little, "off". Having brakes like that makes for good turn-in, and that's good for trail braking. But go ahead, reverse that brake balance around, find the car just goes straight under brakes, and even worse, with any less turn-in the car sort of just "makes a violent turn" when you let go of the brakes, because the brakes were making it understeer, and when that violent turn happens then your rear end will slide out. I will have a look at the settings again, but I think this sounds like driver error to me. (I can get around a 7'10/15 race time I think. My average lap is in the 2'21s. My best was a high 2'20.

Well I run your tuned Vete for 99% of my raceing and absolutely love it. It is probably just me.

But the Tuned Corvette has downforce.

Understood, cool, no problem. If not the AM Vette, could you take a stab at the Nissan Skyline Sedan 350GT, PP500, Pro Physics? I drive an '08 G35 sedan (as it's know in the states) in real life and love this car in the game as well, but I'd be curious your tuning take on it if you have a chance.

The Skyline Sedan can reach 500 PP? Awesome! I'll try that tonight if I get time. (No promises, defo by Tuesday or Wednesday)

 

[NLxAROSA]

Do you drive with or without ABS? If you drive with ABS then your comments seem a little, "off".

Also keep in mind that brake physics (especially with ABS on) in GT5P are, mildly put, 'strange'. I too have come up with brake settings that would be insane in real life. But ingame they work very well.

 

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Update to Corvette Z06​

Due to some advice from AERO_HDT, and 888 Tuning, I have made some changes to the Z06 600 PP Corvette:
Brake Balance: 4/6
Final Drive (Gear Ratio): 3.597

Also keep in mind that brake physics (especially with ABS on) in GT5P are, mildly put, 'strange'. I too have come up with brake settings that would be insane in real life. But ingame they work very well.

I always think too that the numbers you change in GT5 are brake sensitivity, not brake strenght. You can't physcially change the size of the pads and rotors with a switch.

 

[AERO_HDT]

That's a very interesting point Holden, I never actually thought about trying the car with ABS off. If this car works with the ABS off, then I'll gladly repost my review and I'll include some comparison times to see if it actually works.

Hope you don't mind if I try your original 1/6 brake settings first with no ABS. The updated 4/6 balance seems much more useable, but I'm hankering for a competitive Corvette in the 600PP class and if you're right about it, then I shall be a converted fan!

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

That's a very interesting point Holden, I never actually thought about trying the car with ABS off. If this car works with the ABS off, then I'll gladly repost my review and I'll include some comparison times to see if it actually works.

Hope you don't mind if I try your original 1/6 brake settings first with no ABS. The updated 4/6 balance seems much more useable, but I'm hankering for a competitive Corvette in the 600PP class and if you're right about it, then I shall be a converted fan!

It will probably be worse with ABS off, I don't know. Please try it with the new "Final Drive" ratio as well. I also mentioned your name in the Corvette post in recognition of your tip. 4/6 seems pretty good. With the change in brakes and gears, I was able to almost keep up with MisterWeary in a WRX, almost, but not quite.

 

[AERO_HDT]

Unfortunately I got to test the Corvette without ABS in a 1/6 brake balance bias against one of the fastest guys I know, Zabeu, who is a supreme NSX-meister and I was unable to put in a single lap under 3 minutes, hehe. Quite simply, it felt like the Vette had bicycle wheels on the rear end and clearly wasn't working.

So I switched to your updated 4/6 setting and found it much better, especially with ABS (I'm a pussy, I can't drive without it) and I was able to brake a lot deeper into the corners without fear of losing the rear end. But with the new diff gearing it made the Chev feel a lot heavier and lot more sluggish in the acceleration department. It was supreme with the shorter gearing at the rear like you had before, quicker between shifts and was able to feel the full punch of the 7.0 litre down the back straight. With the longer diff ratio, I was barely able to crack 235km/h - I reckon the Vette has the ability to hit 250 on that straight, it's just a matter of tweaking the gearing and setting up the car to get the best possible exit from Spoon.

The car understeers too, quite heavily and whilst I look for a bit of understeer in a muscle car, corner entry turn-in wasn't there. I like to be able to point a car at an apex and then feed on the power to the point where I can control my exit by adjusting the throttle and not the steering. Now you might say that the understeer is a by-product of ramping up the front brake bias to level 4, but running through the esses at Suzuka, especially the last two corners before Dunlop, I maintain the car in a neutral balance, slight amount of throttle to keep the weight shifted rearwards a little, but the sacrifice to that was whenever I turned the wheel, it was a struggle to get it pointed in.

I'm not a lairy driver, I abhor a quick car that drifts through corners where the only thing people can see behind me is a cloud of extinct rubber. I much prefer to have the car hooked up in every sense, even if means that the car isn't as quick over a flying lap. What really counts is consistency and ease of driveability and I'd rather a car that can punch out steady 2'20-2'22 all day rather than a car that can pull a 2'17 once every six laps.

Holden, you're a legend if you can keep up with Weary and his Rex, I can barely do so in an R8, he'd eat me alive in a Corvette. You'd have to be punching sub 7 minute times to take on that famed red Suby.

Cheers,

 

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Unfortunately I got to test the Corvette without ABS in a 1/6 brake balance bias against one of the fastest guys I know, Zabeu, who is a supreme NSX-meister and I was unable to put in a single lap under 3 minutes, hehe. Quite simply, it felt like the Vette had bicycle wheels on the rear end and clearly wasn't working.

So I switched to your updated 4/6 setting and found it much better, especially with ABS (I'm a pussy, I can't drive without it) and I was able to brake a lot deeper into the corners without fear of losing the rear end. But with the new diff gearing it made the Chev feel a lot heavier and lot more sluggish in the acceleration department. It was supreme with the shorter gearing at the rear like you had before, quicker between shifts and was able to feel the full punch of the 7.0 litre down the back straight. With the longer diff ratio, I was barely able to crack 235km/h - I reckon the Vette has the ability to hit 250 on that straight, it's just a matter of tweaking the gearing and setting up the car to get the best possible exit from Spoon.

The car understeers too, quite heavily and whilst I look for a bit of understeer in a muscle car, corner entry turn-in wasn't there. I like to be able to point a car at an apex and then feed on the power to the point where I can control my exit by adjusting the throttle and not the steering. Now you might say that the understeer is a by-product of ramping up the front brake bias to level 4, but running through the esses at Suzuka, especially the last two corners before Dunlop, I maintain the car in a neutral balance, slight amount of throttle to keep the weight shifted rearwards a little, but the sacrifice to that was whenever I turned the wheel, it was a struggle to get it pointed in.

I'm not a lairy driver, I abhor a quick car that drifts through corners where the only thing people can see behind me is a cloud of extinct rubber. I much prefer to have the car hooked up in every sense, even if means that the car isn't as quick over a flying lap. What really counts is consistency and ease of driveability and I'd rather a car that can punch out steady 2'20-2'22 all day rather than a car that can pull a 2'17 once every six laps.

Holden, you're a legend if you can keep up with Weary and his Rex, I can barely do so in an R8, he'd eat me alive in a Corvette. You'd have to be punching sub 7 minute times to take on that famed red Suby.

Cheers,

OK, I'm going to have to stop you here. With the new gearing, that downgraded 7.0L V8 is put right in its happy zone of torque and stays in the power longer too. I can tell you without doubt that the new setup is 5km/hr faster on the home straight than the old setup. Secondy, it makes putting power down easier. Thirdly, the AWD cars understeer, this is a very nice ride IMO, and has great turning ability. Fourthly, just because a car is revving slowly doesn't mean it's moving slowly. Look at the speedo flying next time. Fifthly, I can punch out 2'21s all day long with the occasional 2'20 in this car. Sixthly, I couldn't keep up with MisterWeary exactly, but I wasn't as rediculously off his pace as one might imagine. Actually, on some corners I could keep up, others I couldn't. On each one of those others he'd pull away that bit more. Seventhly, this car may not be for you, but it certainly suits me well. I'm one to avoid AWD at all costs, so even if I want to go faster, I'll get the NSX, Clio/Tuned or Opera Z. But when I don't want to try and win, this will be my ride each and every time almost.

I really don't know why people knock the Corvette's handling, it's quite brilliant really. I can hold higher speeds on many corners than a number of AWD cars.

 

[extreme car]

I've got a favour to ask can you please retune the Honda NSX-R to fit with the S2 tyres so I can actually race mine online please? I've almost the same tuning with yours only differences is that My camber is 1.0 front 0.5 on rear and I didn't touch the toe for the car because I heard from proffessional driver that you shoud put it on 0 to make the car balanced. And is it possible to eliminate the lift off oversteer that this car has? cause I found it impossible I did a few trial and errors but never been able to set it the way I wanted.

 

[AERO_HDT]

My mistake mate, after doing some more offline laps in the Corvette, I found that the turn in was actually very good and I apologise. I don't know, I can't trust the feel of a car online, but at the end of the day, I guess how the car feels in the heat of battle is what really matters.

Just so you know, I'm dying for a car other than the NSX and Ferrari that can take it up to the AWD cars, but I'm yet to find it. The Corvette seems to have come out of the shadows lately, it's so rare to see one on circuit, even rarer to come across a person who can drive one half decently. It is in my opinion the best RWD car in the game (no MR cars considered), but I'm wondering if it's best left to a 750PP setup.

Neither here nor there is it?

 

[Ardius]

My mistake mate, after doing some more offline laps in the Corvette, I found that the turn in was actually very good and I apologise. I don't know, I can't trust the feel of a car online, but at the end of the day, I guess how the car feels in the heat of battle is what really matters.

Just so you know, I'm dying for a car other than the NSX and Ferrari that can take it up to the AWD cars, but I'm yet to find it. The Corvette seems to have come out of the shadows lately, it's so rare to see one on circuit, even rarer to come across a person who can drive one half decently. It is in my opinion the best RWD car in the game (no MR cars considered), but I'm wondering if it's best left to a 750PP setup.

Neither here nor there is it?

The Viper(SRT10) can stick it to the AWD cars. 👍 I do so regularly, and it seems to match that Corvette fairly well.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Sure, I only ask you to wait until next monday 👍

Holden, a promise is a promise, so here I am. I tried your Corvette (original settings, only now I noticed you changed them), and I'm sorry to say that I just couldn't get decent lap times from it.

1st night was a mess really. Ardius must remember it, he was a very patient fellow, but his intents got frustrated (measuring his Viper against me in the Vette). The truth was that I couldn't get a full lap without going off ...

I guess I just don't qualify to be a good test driver, due to lack of skill. And also because, as I said in previous posts, so far my usual car has been the Nissan GTR. It's not even the fastest AWD out there, but at least it's a very stable car, with it I don't get embarassed while online.

Anyway, that night my best lap (of the few clean ones I managed to do ) was a 2.24.xx (my record so far is 2.18.xx with the GTR when in third position, 2.19.xx going in the lead)

I had a very hard time to get used to oversteering, not only in low speeds (hairpin, chicane) but also while trying to get back on the throttle in the fast corners (I don't know their names, but you know what corners I'm talking about).

I also had a very hard time to keep it straight while braking. I drive always with all assists off (except ABS set to 1) and it soon became clear to me that braking (I don't mean ramming the brakes, just touching them) when the car was not perfectly balanced was a very tricky thing to do.

So ... this was friday night. After that (Saturday and Sunday), I kept (always) your setups and started to try "harder". Eventually, I managed to get clean laps more often, but somehow I never felt I was driving the car, I was really "fighting" to keep it on track, don't know if you understand what I'm trying to say. From all I tried, my best lap was at 2.22.xx

I'm back to the GTR now, I think my adventure with a RWD didn't go that well, sorry.

Maybe, just maybe, the real problem (apart from my lack of skill) is that I'm still using the SIXAXIS and auto transmission.

PS - From what I understand reading these forums, the easiest (most predictable), yet competitive RWD car to drive is the F430. I think I'll try it one of these days.

 

[AERO_HDT]

Ardius I'm only in partial agreeance with the Viper being able to stick it to the AWD cars (that goes for the Corvette too) around Suzuka. I'm certain that it's a track issue and not necessarily the cars, as Suzuka is heavily biased towards those who can get the fastest exit speed out of a corner, you can't go past an AWD for getting on the throttle much earlier.

Holden, I take it your preference for a 600PP car between the Corvette and the Viper would be the bow-tie? Ardius, I'm dying to race you some more, a good ol' fashioned muscle-fest would be a pleasure. Is there a TLD tune you use for the SRT?

 

[Ardius]

Ardius I'm only in partial agreeance with the Viper being able to stick it to the AWD cars (that goes for the Corvette too) around Suzuka. I'm certain that it's a track issue and not necessarily the cars, as Suzuka is heavily biased towards those who can get the fastest exit speed out of a corner, you can't go past an AWD for getting on the throttle much earlier.

Holden, I take it your preference for a 600PP car between the Corvette and the Viper would be the bow-tie? Ardius, I'm dying to race you some more, a good ol' fashioned muscle-fest would be a pleasure. Is there a TLD tune you use for the SRT?

Its a DC tune

The AWD's might be able to get out of the corners faster, but I can accelerate to 130mph faster, I always catch them on the straights, and once i can do that, I can take them through the corners, or at least follow them to the next straight, overtake them and then go defensive.

I will have to try and get online in the mornings more, so we can race. Unless you can race now?