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[nd 4 holden spd]

I wouldn't mind one of the Lotus's or even one of the TVR's (they do sound good, lol) Thank you. I tried a Lotus a while ago but found them to twitchy for me, I don't need to win races just enjoy them. Thaks again.

Sure. A Lotus for 600 PP? The older model Elise can compete in 500 PP also I believe. Tell me, the old Elise in 500 PP or the 111R in 600 PP?

PS- I have published a 111R/Tuned setup for 750 PP already if that's what you're after.

It was the normal Vette. My absolute ire for the American sports cars kept me from pulling enough cash out of my account to get the Tuned. The standard version has just about comvinced me to see of what the beast is capable.

As for waiting for the new events, that would be fine. I just can't wait to see what you can do with my beloved little scudaria rocket. I just can't seem to make myself happy.

From what I've heard the events didn't change. I'll give you the F430 in 600 PP.

Holden, this setting is absolutely fantastic, I tried it last night and the car just perfect with your setting mate. I use DS3 not steering whell. the car almost suit in every tracks. Thanks mate this one and the DB9 is one of my favourites. Could you send me the setting for f430? cheers mate

Thankyou for the compliments. I surely will send you the F430 settings as well in the coming days.

hehe, not that i would have thought you will just like coca cola doesn't come up with their ingredients

Coke has ingredients?! I think that no one man knows the full ingredients of Coke. One man knows half, and another man knows the other half.

Hi Smallhorses,

Thanks for the reminder. My apologize for the small and capital letter, but I will keep in mind for that.

Sorry if I didn't use proper grammar, I'm still learning my English. I do speak well Indonesian languange mate.

No one will be upset with your grammar while you learn English.

 

[Crowsy]

Sure. A Lotus for 600 PP? The older model Elise can compete in 500 PP also I believe. Tell me, the old Elise in 500 PP or the 111R in 600 PP?

PS- I have published a 111R/Tuned setup for 750 PP already if that's what you're after.

Old Elise please for the 600pp thank you.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

TLD BMW Z4 London Special​

(179kw) (302Nm) (1160kg) (499 PP) (Pro Physics)​

Performance:

Power: +5
Weight: 85%
Tyres: N3

Settings:

Suspension:
Ride Height: -15/-13
Spring Rates: 5/3
Damper: 4/2
Toe: -0.15/+0.15
Camber: 1.3/0.5

Brake Balance: 2/6

Max Turn Angle: 40

All driving aids are up to driver, tuned with all aids off except ABS on 1

Gear Ratios:
1st: 3.610
2nd: 2.168
3rd: 1.626
4th: 1.292
5th: 1.066
6th: 0.910
Final: 3.580

Description: TLD's first N3 tyre based 500 PP car is the weapon of choice for Showdown 3. I hope the competiton isn't reading while I explain some of the details. The car's settings have been primarily optimised for London, with a strong focus on getting good drive out of the hard and fast city street corners. The car has also been prepped in the suspension to absorb the nasty bumps found in London, while still maintaining a sporty setup which together makes for a hard and fast lap. (No pun intended). The gearbox has been tuned to act like a 4-speed to optimise traction, but 5th may come in handy when slipstreaming down the main straight. Given the car's physically small dimensions overtaking should not be hard in the narrow London streets either, so don't be shy of making a move and making it stick. That said, the car is pretty mobile too, so I think we can expect some good gentleman's racing out of this Showdown, it should be a blast- unlike this car, which is a blast.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Old Elise please for the 600pp thank you.

Sure. I'll work on that today.👍

 

[JPS]

Test Car Lotus 111R/Tuned
Well last night's drinking session as finally worn off, mainly due to trying to find a good drive for the 600pp, still no luck with that, so i decided to try the 111R having tried another garages tunes for the 750PP, and having sobered up needed to feel the wind in my face. Was not expecting to leave my internal organs round different bends of the Suzuka race course. The missus gives us hugs now and then but not as tight as the 111R round the bends of said course, i have not and don't expect to find a car that i can get round those corners with so much speed and precision and i'm a novice. I was squirting the gas, braking and i'm sure the car was turning of it's own accord, in the right direction too, that's something that took me some time to learn. When i want a bit of fun to relieve the boredom and help to de-tune the other half's nagging, the 111R is where you can find me. Wish i could flick the switch for the nitrous to help get in front of the muppets at the start of the race, especially when said muppets are zig zagging in front making that all important pass even harder, and just when the 111R comes into its own round those lovely bends.
For a first try at a tune from TLD i wasn't too surprised, from searching the site they set the bar to which others must match and he's not failed to deliver with this little beaut.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Test Car Lotus 111R/Tuned
Well last night's drinking session as finally worn off, mainly due to trying to find a good drive for the 600pp, still no luck with that, so i decided to try the 111R having tried another garages tunes for the 750PP, and having sobered up needed to feel the wind in my face. Was not expecting to leave my internal organs round different bends of the Suzuka race course. The missus gives us hugs now and then but not as tight as the 111R round the bends of said course, i have not and don't expect to find a car that i can get round those corners with so much speed and precision and i'm a novice. I was squirting the gas, braking and i'm sure the car was turning of it's own accord, in the right direction too, that's something that took me some time to learn. When i want a bit of fun to relieve the boredom and help to de-tune the other half's nagging, the 111R is where you can find me. Wish i could flick the switch for the nitrous to help get in front of the muppets at the start of the race, especially when said muppets are zig zagging in front making that all important pass even harder, and just when the 111R comes into its own round those lovely bends.
For a first try at a tune from TLD i wasn't too surprised, from searching the site they set the bar to which others must match and he's not failed to deliver with this little beaut.

Thanks for the review.👍 I'm just like you in that I can't find a good car for 600 PP. What confuses me even more is I was sure that my F430 was capable of 2'16 lap times, but now I can't break 2'19. Now I have no idea of what's fast for 600 PP. That 111R is simply supernatural in the corners, it's scary when you jump out and realise how fast you were just moving though a bend. Back to the ever lasting search for a good 600 PP car.

PS- I'm really annoyed that the game makes out that an IS-F is faster than a Corvette.

 

[Sinsemila]

Thanks for the review.👍 I'm just like you in that I can't find a good car for 600 PP. What confuses me even more is I was sure that my F430 was capable of 2'16 lap times, but now I can't break 2'19. Now I have no idea of what's fast for 600 PP. That 111R is simply supernatural in the corners, it's scary when you jump out and realise how fast you were just moving though a bend. Back to the ever lasting search for a good 600 PP car.

PS- I'm really annoyed that the game makes out that an IS-F is faster than a Corvette.

I struggle to go fast in the F430 as well but I have been using your NSX and Clio tunes and find them both fast evan though they were designed for racing tires. Have you thought about giving them a tweak for the new tire rules.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

I struggle to go fast in the F430 as well but I have been using your NSX and Clio tunes and find them both fast evan though they were designed for racing tires. Have you thought about giving them a tweak for the new tire rules.

I'm racing a Corvette and IS-F at the moment and having lots of fun. I don't know if I'll change the NSX, couldn't really bothered with the Clio.

 

[JPS]

I'm just like you in that I can't find a good car for 600 PP. What confuses me even more is I was sure that my F430 was capable of 2'16 lap times, but now I can't break 2'19. Now I have no idea of what's fast for 600 PP.

yes, well as obviously not as good a driver as yourself, i'm finding that with most cars for the 600pp my times are stagnant at 2:20 - 2:22 no matter what i drive, i started with the evo's/scooby and did get in the low 2:19's but i have no intention of driving those every time im online. I'm just after a very good set up for any car that can make me more competitive in those 600's. After all winning is not everything, walking away knowing you had a decent battle with decent drivers can lead to a bigger smile

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

After all winning is not everything, walking away knowing you had a decent battle with decent drivers can lead to a bigger smile

QFT 👍

Most of the time I'll concede the win if the player I was racing against gave me a good race.

It doesn't let me have any of the prize money anyway. Gran Turismo is just like my bird in that respect

 

[JPS]

It doesn't let me have any of the prize money anyway. Gran Turismo is just like my bird in that respect

I'm opposite i can hold it, keep it in my wallet, be given it, i just can't spend it without her say so

Most of the time I'll concede the win if the player I was racing against gave me a good race.

in my case i concede my position to a player/s

 

[Ardius]

I love the fact that PP600 is so balanced. I dont understand why its so bad that none of the car's are visibly faster than each other, it means I can take any car I like and still be competitive, rather than everyone racing the same car every time like several months ago with the Lotus/Tuned cars in PP650.

 

[Crowsy]

That's not the Lotus's fault though is it? I know a few people who have driven a Lotus in real life and they say since it has been updated it doesn't handle like it does in real life which is the whole point no? Most people will always take the easy option, so if everyone starts driving the clio you think they will "update" it?

I also love the 600pp but also have been educated about the Suzuka circuit as it is the one where you cannot ride your luck on like riding the walls and that. Don't think I'm an expert cause I'm not I'm a long way off that.

 

[Ardius]

That's not the Lotus's fault though is it? I know a few people who have driven a Lotus in real life and they say since it has been updated it doesn't handle like it does in real life which is the whole point no? Most people will always take the easy option, so if everyone starts driving the clio you think they will "update" it?

I also love the 600pp but also have been educated about the Suzuka circuit as it is the one where you cannot ride your luck on like riding the walls and that. Don't think I'm an expert cause I'm not I'm a long way off that.

When they updated it, they only changed the PP value, so quit the bull.

Also, read my post again, did I say I hated either Elise? Did I say i hated those who drove it? Did I say that it was a crap car? No I didnt say any of those things, so wtf with your response.
I can't see why you would want one car to dominate, it just makes it boring, regardless what car it is.

And, yes, if one car dominates again, I do expect PD to update it so they do not. Fortuntely though, that doesn't seem to be happening, all cars are equal performance in PP600. The problem with the Tuned Elise was that it blatantly wasn't meant to be that low PP value and had clearly been mistakenly placed there because it had a low power to weight ratio thus falling through the loop that PD must use to determine PP values. Seriously, you can't defend such a car being able to be in PP650, it creamed all competition, regardless of driver skill. This is not an issue with realism, its an issue with regulations for competition.

 

[mombies]

TLD Honda NSX Type-R
(228kw) (328Nm) (1079kg) (600 PP) (Pro Physics)​

Performance:

Power: +5
Weight: 85%
Tyres: R3

Settings:

Suspension:
Ride Height: -30/-28
Spring Rates: 4/7
Damper: 4/6
Toe: -0.18/+0.10
Camber: 1.2/1.2

Brake Balance: 3/5

Max Turn Angle: 40

All driving aids are up to driver, tuned with all aids off except ABS on 1

Gear Ratios:
1st: 2.622
2nd: 1.744
3rd: 1.353
4th: 1.110
5th: 0.931
6th: 0.795
Final: 4.600

Description: To infinity and beyond! That's where this car will take you, and it we labelled by many as "cheating", it really is that fast. Nothing yet compares to the handling of this car, which enables it to go faster than any other vehicle in its class. A truly shocking experience, but still not as forgiving as some other tunes so you better put on your racing helmet before stepping in the cockpit.

Hi Holden,

I've tried your NSX last night and was a blast:tup: very easy to drive and I would say too east to drive. This car is fun, although as you said little bit cheating nevermind I quite like it.

Well done mate:tup:
I will try your other setting later on. Cheers

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

yes, well as obviously not as good a driver as yourself, i'm finding that with most cars for the 600pp my times are stagnant at 2:20 - 2:22 no matter what i drive, i started with the evo's/scooby and did get in the low 2:19's but i have no intention of driving those every time im online. I'm just after a very good set up for any car that can make me more competitive in those 600's. After all winning is not everything, walking away knowing you had a decent battle with decent drivers can lead to a bigger smile

Most cars are around 2'20 for me also. F430 gets 2'19, and the Audi I never tuned, but 2'19 stock on one lap when I messed up a few corners. I've been driving the Corvette and IS-F now. It's slower than AWD, but I have more fun in them than some rediculously easy to drive AWD car.

QFT 👍

Most of the time I'll concede the win if the player I was racing against gave me a good race.

It doesn't let me have any of the prize money anyway. Gran Turismo is just like my bird in that respect

Damn, that would piss me off. If someone beats me fair and square I want them to win, regardless of circumstances. They earnt that victory.

I love the fact that PP600 is so balanced. I dont understand why its so bad that none of the car's are visibly faster than each other, it means I can take any car I like and still be competitive, rather than everyone racing the same car every time like several months ago with the Lotus/Tuned cars in PP650.

FAIL.
600 PP is the least balanced of all, with AWD completely dominating all, except the F430 which has a high downforce level for a stocker, but still normally loses to AWD anyway, just stands a better chance. I can put the power down surprisingly early in my Corvette, but AWD can put it down rediculously early, they just piss on me everywhere in corner exits.

Hi Holden,

I've tried your NSX last night and was a blast:tup: very easy to drive and I would say too east to drive. This car is fun, although as you said little bit cheating nevermind I quite like it.

Well done mate:tup:
I will try your other setting later on. Cheers

Cheers for that. I'm quite surprised it's good in 600 now, I thought the tyres would make it mentally hard to drive.

 

[Ardius]

FAIL.
600 PP is the least balanced of all, with AWD completely dominating all, except the F430 which has a high downforce level for a stocker, but still normally loses to AWD anyway, just stands a better chance. I can put the power down surprisingly early in my Corvette, but AWD can put it down rediculously early, they just piss on me everywhere in corner exits.

Haha, I did type that just before going online and realising that the boost no longer exists. All those races of easily competing against the 4WD cars seem to have been down to boost rather than my skill.....which makes me feel like a noob and an idiot.
Now I drive and I can't keep up at all, ending up being 15 seconds off the pace.

Ah well, I suppose I'll just go back to driving my XK and having a laugh seeing how many people I can beat in superior cars. I tried driving the R8 and the Lancer, but I personally hate the feel of 4WD cars, the R8 more than the rest because it understeers under braking so badly.

 

[Stotty]

I tried driving the R8 and the Lancer, but I personally hate the feel of 4WD cars, the R8 more than the rest because it understeers under braking so badly.

The understeer can be tuned out of the R8 relatively easily... try raising the rear ride height and/or adding some negative rear toe, and/or shifting some of the brake balance to the front, and/or raising the rear spring/damper rates.

 

[Ardius]

The understeer can be tuned out of the R8 relatively easily... try raising the rear ride height and/or adding some negative rear toe, and/or shifting some of the brake balance to the front, and/or raising the rear spring/damper rates.

Ah, I see now, I've been using DC's tune, which is a more balanced tune. Although, I didn't notice this fatal flaw in the tune before, odd. Maybe its because I only really test drived it online, with the boost physics screwing with it.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Ah, I see now, I've been using DC's tune, which is a more balanced tune. Although, I didn't notice this fatal flaw in the tune before, odd. Maybe its because I only really test drived it online, with the boost physics screwing with it.

I'm right here, I think you would have some requests stored up.

 

[Stotty]

Balanced in what way? For me, a balanced set-up is one which controls both understeer and oversteer and leaves the car as neutral as possible... my preference is for a slight amount of understeer in OLR as it's easier to drive.

With the R8, the balance is always going to be slightly towards understeer when on the gas, but it is possible to dial out ALL the understeer under brakes and when on a trailing throttle. The trick then is to carry maximum mid corner speed on a trailing throttle and not get on the gas too early.

 

[Ardius]

^I meant balanced in the sense that the changes made to the front and rear of the car are the same or similar. Not in the sense that the tune was physically balanced in driving....that would be exactly what I'm looking for, lol.

I'm right here, I think you would have some requests stored up.

Haha, yeah. Seeing as NLxROSA is not around this week, could you cook me up a new PP600 tune? I want to say the XK, but Ive already asked NLxROSA if he can do one....so, could you re-tune the NSX?

While I'm here again, I think I'll see what the competition is like and test your Z4...and also get some practice on London, because i have only driven that track less than 5 times.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

^I meant balanced in the sense that the changes made to the front and rear of the car are the same or similar. Not in the sense that the tune was physically balanced in driving....that would be exactly what I'm looking for, lol.



Haha, yeah. Seeing as NLxROSA is not around this week, could you cook me up a new PP600 tune? I want to say the XK, but Ive already asked NLxROSA if he can do one....so, could you re-tune the NSX?

While I'm here again, I think I'll see what the competition is like and test your Z4...and also get some practice on London, because i have only driven that track less than 5 times.

I'm going to post a couple new cars for 600 PP as well. It looks like this S2 tyred 600 PP will be here a while, and if I could change it personally I would make it S3 so any setups I make wouldn't need much if any changes for such a change.
London is a funny one, I think I might actually be faster than most there, I learnt a few tricks on it when J-PaP and I had a little time trial clash waaay back when GT5 first came out in Australia (Got in the Top 20 in what was at the time the fastest catgeory available, but lost to J-PaP by around 1 tenth of a second). I have not lost a single race in 500 PP since I started racing it again, whether that be Daytona Road, London or Suzuka, I'm on fire right now.
The Acura NSX can't reach 600 PP can it? I guess I'll have to do the Honda again, but if the Acura is compatibale I will tune that instead.


So has anyone raced the Z4 at London yet? I want to hear lap times.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

So has anyone raced the Z4 at London yet? I want to hear lap times.

1:02 and change, hotlapping. Could probably strip another 1.5-2 secs off that if I could stay awake long enough.

Online I have no idea but evo9's are creaming me

 

[angelx]

I am at 1'04 but i only ran 5 laps and it was my first time driving the course ever so i wans't expecting much.

 

[doblocruiser]

I'm at 1:04:901 Online Free Run, pfff having a lot of trouble getting used to the no grip at all circumstancens

regards,
galgospeed

 

[StevenDunn99]

After 3 weeks away (holiday & work) I put the GT5P disc in last night and tried the LD London Z4. I was running regular sub 1m 8s and got a best in the 1m 6s but this is tricky. A lack of front end grip/under-steering/using a controller/my poor driving - take your pick just is not helping.

I was trying different techniques and regularly got well ahead of my ghost but I would then lose it later on. I also tried the LD Alfa and that worked well but was slower than my 'out of control' Z4.

I will revisit the Z4 at London each day to see if I can improve.

@ P3nT4gR4m - that looks an impressive time and gives me something to aim for.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

1:02 and change, hotlapping. Could probably strip another 1.5-2 secs off that if I could stay awake long enough.

Online I have no idea but evo9's are creaming me

You get 2'02s and LOSE to Evos?! What the hell is going on here? I get around a flat 2'04 and never lose in this car.

I am at 1'04 but i only ran 5 laps and it was my first time driving the course ever so i wans't expecting much.

Dang, I thought I was quick at London, but you and P3nT4gR4m look like you're going to flog me.

I'm at 1:04:901 Online Free Run, pfff having a lot of trouble getting used to the no grip at all circumstancens

regards,
galgospeed

Grip is not a problem for me in 500 PP. Not the spinning out kind at least.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

erm ... let me check my times and get back to you. I thought I'd gone under 1:03 but I'm not usually that much faster than everyone else. I'm wondering if I might be mistaken now

 

[Stotty]

Haven't tried the Z4 yet, but I did run a few laps in the Integra on Sunday and got down to low 1'02's within a few laps (with the pad), so shouldn't be out of the question for the Z4.

There are a couple of sections on London where you can cut HUGE chunks out of your laps times if you get your lines right... the right hand turn on to the start finish straight and the long left/right are critical.