Is there any point to that car wash?

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brambos
Not sure if this has been posted in the nine pages of drivel before this one,
but THERE IS A POINT TO THE CARWASH:

It slightly increases the resale value of cars that can be sold.

That's the only thing it does. The photoshop images on these last pages prove that it doesn't do anything in terms of actual cleaning - except for a few people who don't understand the concept of 'placebo'.
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The guy with the red GT-R is right.

Today, a friend of mine come around saying: "hey, you said you would love to have a dirty car right? So I have a pretty dirty Countach LP400, it got even a really disgusting dirty spot in the back that is really noticeable...The car was used a lot with my bob's, so it has lots of played mileage in it. Want to trade it? "

I traded it for a brand new silver one I've had... and the car is really dirty... in the garage you can't see it, but when going to any track or GT Auto you can see the dirty marks... I'm doing pictures and I'll post them tomorrow.

I think as the standard cars are more "texture based" models and have lower quality models, it can be more noticeable because the dirty spots really get ugly...

The car in question is black, so its really noticeable...
 
My cars do get dirty too. This is my Furai, and what seems to be the dirtiest it can get:

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However:
- It takes an unreasonably long amount of time to make cars dirty
- Dirt will accumulate in a very weird manner over time, with strange (and pixelated) fixed darker spots/stains. Not realistic at all
- There's no dirt due to insects, burnt rubber, exhaust fumes, brake pads powder, etc. Only what looks like "transparent mud"
- It looks like the dirt that can build up is limited in amount
- Dirt accumulated in rally races/practice runs is not taken into account, and will get reset after completing them
- If cars get any dirtier than the allowed "limit" during a race, they get back to their "slightly dirty" status after completing it
- In the garage view, cars always look perfectly clean. So you might never notice dirt on cars at all if you never watch in-race replays or take your cars to GT Auto, where it's visible

My conclusion is that dirt accumulation in GT5 is either bugged/incomplete or deliberately nerfed.
Still, however, an improvement over past games where cars only lost their shine over time.
 
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SHIRAKAWA Akira
My cars do get dirty too. This is my Furai, and what seems to be the dirtiest it can get:

mazdazoz.jpg


However:
- It takes an unreasonably long amount of time to make cars dirty
- Dirt will accumulate in a very weird manner over time, with strange (and pixelated) fixed darker spots/stains. Not realistic at all
- There's no dirt due to insects, burnt rubber, exhaust fumes, brake pads powder, etc. Only what looks like "transparent mud"
- It looks like the dirt that can build up is limited in amount
- Dirt accumulated in rally races/practice runs is not taken into account, and will get reset after completing them
- If cars get any dirtier than the allowed "limit" during a race, they get back to their "slightly dirty" status after completing it
- In the garage view, cars always look perfectly clean. So you might never notice dirt on cars at all if you never watch in-race replays or take your cars to GT Auto, where it's visible

My conclusion is that dirt accumulation in GT5 is either bugged/incomplete or deliberately nerfed.
Still, however, an improvement over past games where cars only lost their shine over time.
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actually cars do lose there shine... you notice his with the blue race skyline * i forget the name* before you wash it it has a normal shine, after was it looks WAY to shiny...
 
Wish it was as noticable as it is in gt3... I cant even go 4 races with 3 laps a piece to get the "polish" to wear and the colour to fade... My friend has had an implul calsonic gt-r since november, it has 16'789 miles on it. He gave it a car wash and he said there was no difference
 
The game Colin mcray or mcrae, w/e, is old as the sun... But still has better dirt and more proper physical responses if you know what i mean.

Lets hope pd improves someday at these areas. At least they improved the lightning in gt5 :/
 
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Mmhhh, if memory serves, I think you can get your car to be instantly dirty if you take it around a rally dirt track.

A few laps around them, and your car will sport glorious stains of earth on it's body!!
 
AlphaAndius
Mmhhh, if memory serves, I think you can get your car to be instantly dirty if you take it around a rally dirt track.

A few laps around them, and your car will sport glorious stains of earth on it's body!!
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Yes, but once you quit the race, the car becomes clean again.

The dirt permanently (until you wash it) remaining on the car outside races (that you can see and wash in GT Auto) appears to be solely distance-based, rather than event based. That is, you will likely start noticing it only after hundreds of kilometers of distance driven regardless of how much you can get it dirty on a single race.

I'm still pondering whether this is a bug or a feature to please car manufacturers.
Other things I noticed:
- You can't see dirt in the garage screen, but you can in GT Auto or on track
- No matter how long you drive your car, there's a limit to permanent dirt accumulation outside races
- I'm unsure whether dirty cars from other users can be seen online
 
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The 908 HDi I used to to the 24h Le Mans got this weird ripple effect of light and dark grey on it once I'd finished, but I didn't race it again before washing it so dunno if it would've been fixed anyway
 
I think the car wash is something that they hadn't time to implement as they had wanted. Dirt is obviously accumulating in rally, so I guess they just didn't have time to find a way to make the dirt stick to the car even after the race was complete. Probably wasn't on top of their list of priority at the time.

That's the only thing it does. The photoshop images on these last pages prove that it doesn't do anything in terms of actual cleaning - except for a few people who don't understand the concept of 'placebo'.
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Never underestimate the power of placebo! Yesterday I improved my time on the rally time trial by 2 seconds! just because I thought I changed from a rwd car to a 4wd car. I was like "Yes, now I have some grip! This is much better than the last car!" and then when the ghost appeared on the second lap I was like "waaait a minute...". It turns out I didn't change to a 4wd car, I just changed the settings for the 4wd car and then exited garage without getting into the car.
 
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JTSnooks
This is just completely false. There is dirt accumulation, it just takes a very long time. My Minolta has been piling up dirt for a while now in B-spec, I refuse to wash it to see how dirty it ends up.
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haha im going to have my impreza's covered in dirt soon!
 
Mattv81
Seems to me like the cars automatically clean themselves before each race, which kind of makes that car wash seem pretty pointless. Or am I wrong? Would be good if the cars kept the dirt on them until you clean them.
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nope, I've never washed any of the cars... they just don't appear to show any dust...

In GT3,4 it was a different matter...

I had a few rally cars I never washed, they were so dirty you couldn't tell what color it was.. lol

Same goes for changing the oil, it's a waste of GT bucx
 
shhiny48
Ive heard a bunch of claims about the car getting "dirtier" but ive yet to see any picture proof.
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The "picture proof" was broken for a while, it's back now. It's from the start of a race, just so you know.

Of course, you could always try it for yourself. There are "instructions" in this very thread. 👍
 
Tested all of these features a long time ago on gt5. All I can say is anyone arguing that any of the things in gt auto not making a difference are either lying to save face, or somehow (unlikely) different regions have buggier games. Saying u don't notice the car handling differently due to chassis distortion is so odd, these things are so gradual its like saying "the tape measure says I'm taller but I haven't felt myself growing". The handling gets sloppier GRADUALLY over time, u can't notice it get worse cause it happens little by little over a long period. After u restore it u will notice a difference, but only if u r consistent enough to do say ten laps in a row within 1 tenth of a target time. Crap, inconsistent drivers won't notice such small variations in a cars behaviour, just like they wouldn't notice small changes to things like suspension geometry, u need to have skills for small changes to be noticeable.

As far as carwash goes. It does take a bit but the car progressively loses its shine if u don't wash it. If u can't see that u need glasses, simple.

As for oil and engine rebuild, it all works fine, I let my x2011 go without an oil change for a bit (not too long) and I had lost about 300hp total, changing the oil didn't even give me half back, so I had to stump up half a mill for a rebuild. If u need a rebuild, don't change oil first, new oil is included in the rebuild cost, as is evidenced by HP and pp gain.
Also when someone said its not realistic to have a hp increase when u change the oil in a new car, ur forgetting road cars have very different needs to race cars where fluids are concerned, putting oil designed for racing into ur engine irl will give u an appreciable performance gain, perhaps not as much as some cars in gt, but its not totally unrealistic.
 
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