WSGTC 2 discussion

Denilson · Apr 24, 2011

Hi everyone!

Since the PSN is down at the moment, I think we can still be productive by starting up a discussion about season #2.

Feel free to post any idea. But make sure to read the entire thread. In that case, we won't have to many "unnecessary" posts to go thru. 👍

Below, I'll post some of my ideas.

10-12 races. (2-4 races can be removed from the total in the end of the season)
GT500's and GT300's will run separate races. In the end of the season top 4 drivers will race for the total in the Acura NSX RM (fully modded, this car ends up pretty much exactly in the middle of a GT300 and a GT500 car with its power at around 420 hp and the weight at 1045 kg. Races will be 1 vs 1.
Quarter finals:
Race 1:
1st in GT500 vs 4th in GT300
Race 2:
2nd in GT500 vs 3rd in GT300
Race 3:
3rd in GT500 vs 2nd in GT300
Race 4:
4th in GT500 vs 1st in GT300
Semi finals:
Race 5:
Winner Race 1 vs Winner Race 3
Race 6:
Winner Race 2 vs Winner Race 4
Finals:
Race 7 (for 3rd place):
Looser Race 5 vs Looser Race 6
Race 8 (for the total win):
Winner Race 5 vs Winner Race 6

As you can see, the final day will contain 8 races. Races will be a 5 lap sprint race with a rolling start behind a pacecar. All finals will be held 1 week after the last race for the season.
Races will be 175 km. The endurances will stay at 250 km.
Cars will stay about the same. We will perform some testing for some models and perhaps give them more or less PP.
Tyres will be optional. But all cars must start with Racing Hards. (The host will simply change the tyres allowed when everyone is in the pits prior race start)
Grip reduction on wet track/tracks edge: Real
Damage: Heavy
No aids
Ballast/PP penalty for the winner, and perhaps 2nd or 3rd as well.
Real world tracks only.
Rolling start with a formationlap

Qualiprocedure? Is it ok as it has been all season or do we want to change anything?

Feel free to post opinions about anything. Nothing is decided yet. We need your say in this. 👍

Allowed mods: GT500

Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
Engine stage 3
1130 kg
514 bhp
610 pp
PL: 85,0 %

Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R (Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R, Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R)
Stock
1100 kg
518 bhp
610 pp
PL: -

Toyota YELLOWHAT YMS SUPRA
Engine stage 3
1090 kg
534 bhp
608 pp
PL: -

Lexus DENSO DUNLP SARD SC430 (Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430)
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
515 bhp
612 pp
PL: 95,6 %

Lexus BANDAI DIREZZA SC430
Turbo stage 2
1100 kg
533 bhp
614 pp
PL: -

Toyota CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA
Stock
1150 kg
517 bhp
617 pp
PL: -

Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
Stock
1100 kg
508 bhp
618 pp
PL: 95,1 %

Honda RAYBRING NSX (Honda TAKATA DOME NSX, Honda ARTA NSX)
Engine stage 3
1100 kg
540 bhp
610 pp
PL: -

NOTE: Honda EPSON NSX, Lexus ENEOS SC430 and Nissan WOODONE ADVAN CLARION GT-R are excluded from the champioship.

Allowed mods: GT300

RE Amemaiya ASPARADRINK RX7 '06
Stock
1100 kg
335 bhp
533 pp
PL: -

Lexus WEDSPORT IS350
Engine stage 3
1150 kg
362 bhp
551 pp
PL: 97,0 %

Autobacs ARTA GARAIYA '08
Stock
1175 kg
352 bhp
537 pp
PL: -

Autobacs ARTA GARAIYA '03
Stock
1125 kg
322 bhp
532 pp
PL: 97,4

Subaru CUSCO DUNLOP IMPREZA '08
Turbo stage 3
1100 kg
361 bhp
551 pp
PL: 93,1 %

Toyota APEX MR-S
Turbo stage 1
1125 kg
318 bhp
537 pp
PL: 88,4 %

Toyota WEDSPORT CELICA
Turbo Stage 1
1050 kg
323 bhp
547 pp
PL: 91.2%

Subaru CUSCO ADVAN IMPREZA '03
Turbo stage 1
1100 kg
334 bhp
547 pp
PL: 95%

RE Amemaiya ASPARADRINK RX7 '03
Not yet tested

OwensRacing · Apr 24, 2011

Interesting.

Only thing I dislike is the tire rule. Hards all the way. That's one thing that separates the WSGTC from all others IMHO. While being to switch to softs can be fun. I just don't see the tire physics relative to wear being right for this type of option.

As always. I will go with what ever is decided.

Denilson · Apr 25, 2011

OwensRacing
Interesting.

Only thing I dislike is the tire rule. Hards all the way. That's one thing that separates the WSGTC from all others IMHO. While being to switch to softs can be fun. I just don't see the tire physics relative to wear being right for this type of option.

As always. I will go with what ever is decided.

Yea, maybee that the wear is to similar between the tyre types.. We'll have to look in to it a bit I guess.

I was just thinking that it could open up for a lot of different strategies, and that the races would be more entertaining thru the later parts.

Jav · Apr 25, 2011

The thing that has make this the hardest for me is the qualifying format.
Number of races, although I like the longer championships this might end up hurting the series as we might loose numbers due to people's changing priorities/schedules in life.
I like the 2 division format as it gives everyone on the list a chance to race, but again I feel the quali format is hurting the serie as the long list of racer is just not showing up on raceday.
I Like the real tarck based series, there are many good fictional tarcks in the game but real tracks is the best route.
Ballast, not too sure about it as the policing method will be too tedious.
Race lenght, I'm all for it!
Damage, heavy all the way!
Aids, no aids please!
Rolling start/formation lap, brilliant idea keep it up!

Joshua1994 · Apr 25, 2011

I like all of it, apart from the tire rule. I used to absolutely hate hards, but man, i gotta admit, there way more fun than softs.

Denilson · Apr 25, 2011

Jav
The thing that has make this the hardest for me is the qualifying format.
Number of races, although I like the longer championships this might end up hurting the series as we might loose numbers due to people's changing priorities/schedules in life.
I like the 2 division format as it gives everyone on the list a chance to race, but again I feel the quali format is hurting the serie as the long list of racer is just not showing up on raceday.
I Like the real tarck based series, there are many good fictional tarcks in the game but real tracks is the best route.
Ballast, not too sure about it as the policing method will be too tedious.
Race lenght, I'm all for it!
Damage, heavy all the way!
Aids, no aids please!
Rolling start/formation lap, brilliant idea keep it up!

I hear you. 👍

About the ballast penalty. When adding the weight, PP will decrease. That car will go to track when the PP is set to that perticular car. Let's say that all GT-R's go to track when the room is set to 610 PP. A GT-R with 30 kg extra weight have to go to the track when the PP is set to 607.

Quali: Maybee we should concider something like they use in other series, where the quali is held prior the race. However, I can see one downside with this. Race day is already pretty massive, especially the endurences. Every race, there's a few who come in late to the room. When we hold quali for 3 days, I'm thinking that more drivers have the opportunity to do quali. I might be wrong...
Also, since we have drivers from all over the world, extending the race day might also stop drivers from participating. It's already taking up a huge part of late Friday for the guys in CET (me and a few others), and for the guys on the westcoast in USA it's pretty early for a weekday race (noon). Extending race time with the addition of a quali might be hard to do for the PST guys.

@Joshua1994: Yea, hards are great! I was just thinking that it could open up for a lot of different strategies. Well, as I said, nothing is decided yet. Just throwing out some ideas. 👍

OwensRacing · Apr 25, 2011

Denilson, I would be all for the proposed tire if the tire models were on par with wear differences. Having run same rules GT500 racing accept on softs. It's pretty evident there is not a notable difference in wear IMO. I would love to see 50% more wear on softs or something. An split for mediums. Now that would make for a kick butt tire game with in a race. So love the idea. Just not with the current tire wears models.

Andil · Apr 25, 2011

Yah, what Owens said.

Other than that one thing, no problem with your suggestions, the ballast is something I really wanted to see introduced because it will level the playing field a lot over the course of a season, so that's awesome.

competizione · Apr 25, 2011

i have some sugestions

1) is it rigth understanded that you suggest you will split the championship apart from the final race in non super gt cars. because i really love the split car races i know many not like them so much but just half of the races or somthing like this season. just to make wsgtc more realistic and different from the other championships here on gtp. the same with the tyres i have not tested hard vs medium that could maybe be interesting if you can start on any tire so if you start on pole can slow all other down on mediums if you are on hard.

2) about the rules i would love ballast for the best cars in the race and i have a idea because if you like in the real world limit all the cars to have 300 bhp/1100 kg and then compensate for there lagging speed so cars like the lexus is can be a competetive car i tryed testing some cars under these regs before season started. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4888132#post4888132
and why would the same idea not work for gt500. just need some testing.

3) about the tracks i agree with it only one real world tracks but if there comes more races into the championship i would love to see street tracks like tokyo r246. it is real world roads but never raced on in real world. the same goes for madrid or rome. another cicuit i would like too race on is monza

just my two cents

KamyKaze1098 · Apr 25, 2011

Yep I agree with senninha. We should try to ballance all cars to the same HP and KG. I also did some tests with the same limit and the cars were more even that way.
We could try and test them and set diferent limits acording to their performance.

As with tires it's like Owens said. In GT5 there is no advantage in using hards vs softs, so we should keep the tire regs how they are now.

👍

Denilson · Apr 25, 2011

Ok. Tyres will probably be Racing Hards only as always then. 👍

About the amount of races: It seemed to me like some drivers had some trouble participating in 8 (I know, the season is not over yet) out of 10 races in 10 weeks. By increasing the amout of races to 12 and 12 weeks, you can still be competative if you miss 4 out of 12 weeks (If we allow 4 races to be removed). How about 11 races and 3 can be removed from the final standings? In that case, the track shedule would look something like this:

1. Suzuka 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
2. Monaco 175 km (same class)
3. Laguna Seca 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
4. Nurburgring GP/F 175 km (same class)
5. La Sarthe 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
6. Indianapolis Road 175 km (same class)
7. Monza 175 km (mixed class/2 div) / Weather
8. Fuji F 175 km (same class)
9. Nurburgring 24h 250 km (same class) / Time/Weather
10. Daytona Road 175 km (mixed class/2 div)
11. Suzuka 250 km (same class) / Weather
12. Finals: Top 4 from each class battle eachother out in the Acura NSX RM

For the mixed class races where we will run 2 divisions. The winner in D2 will earn as many points as 5th in D1. 2nd in D2 will earn as much as 6th in D1 and so on. This is to ensure that you can gain on a driver even if he is in D1 and you in D2. What do you guys think about that?

I also agree that Monza should be in WSGTC 2.

I'm actually really happy with the idea that top 4 battle eachother out in a big season finale. In that case, you can struggle to finish top 4 (insted of beeing out after 7 rounds and don't have the energy to race anymore) and still got a shot at the total win. 👍

About the cars. I don't think that HP/Weight is the way to go. Sure, it might make these cars even as long as all cars are FR.. But we want all cars to be attractive and my guess is that the Subaru would suffer drom this rule with it's 4WD. I'm not sure it will work that good for the GT500's as well. The cars are similar, but not identical. I'd suggest that we find proper PP's for all cars to make them equal. I'm thinking about cut down the power in the Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S, increase PP for the NSX. Allow the Z but with less PP than stock (using the powerlimiter). Also find good PP's for the SUPRA models. Allow some tuning of the Subaru CUSCO and Lexus IS350 to make them more attractive as well.

Andil · Apr 25, 2011

Denilson
About the cars. I don't think that HP/Weight is the way to go. Sure, it might make these cars even as long as all cars are FR.. But we want all cars to be attractive and my guess is that the Subaru would suffer drom this rule with it's 4WD. I'm not sure it will work that good for the GT500's as well. The cars are similar, but not identical. I'd suggest that we find proper PP's for all cars to make them equal. I'm thinking about cut down the power in the Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S, increase PP for the NSX. Allow the Z but with less PP than stock (using the powerlimiter). Also find good PP's for the SUPRA models. Allow some tuning of the Subaru CUSCO and Lexus IS350 to make them more attractive as well.

Definitely, would love to use the IS350 so if we can find a way to make it more equal by just setting a different PP, that would be great.

Also 11 races dropping 3 sounds good, would make things closer!

Adam41 · Apr 25, 2011

The amount of races: I think it should be kept to 10 because any more and it feels like the season takes quite long to complete - especially if there are problems like there are now with PSN. I guess 1 more wouldn't hurt, but I wouldn't mind if we only raced at Suzuka once. I also like the proposed schedule.

Will we still race mixed class? Or are we sticking to same class? I really like mixed class. 👍 Still, I like the finale idea.

I definitely think we should include ballast and not just for first position. I think something along the lines of 50kg, 30kg, 10kg for 1st, 2nd, 3rd would be great.

I think that quali should be done on a different day than the race because we could have quite a lot of drivers and seeing as our races are quite long, attendance could be an issue.

Making other cars more competitive: 👍 I would be glad to help out on that.

Everything else: 👍 and Hards all the way!

Paginas1 · Apr 25, 2011

wow some great ideas guys, finaly got some internet in the middle of scotland lol. heres my 2 cents:

1. Tyres - i agree with owens, the softs tyre doesnt wear quicker than the hards
2. Quali - i think it takes up 2 much time for stewards so maybe we need to think about this
3. Tracks - all real tracks i would suggest and include monza ITS GREAT!!!
4. Cars - We need to do alot of testing on this im not too sure what to do lol
5. Ballast - GREAT IDEA i would love this, im not sure what KG they use it touring cars but we could use that...
6. Same/Mixed Class - i think this season went ok with that, doing big enurance races, keep the same etc

sorry it was only quick ideas

also i what to change the penalty system (well tweat some areas) e.g. lower the damage penalty to 20 seconds, i feel 40 seconds is a bit much went a pit stop is a penalty etc, some ideas would be great

Andil · Apr 25, 2011

Paginas1
also i what to change the penalty system (well tweat some areas) e.g. lower the damage penalty to 20 seconds, i feel 40 seconds is a bit much went a pit stop is a penalty etc, some ideas would be great

Oh, agree on this too. I think the usual penalty in F1 (and presumably most other racing, would have to check) is 25 seconds (equivalent to a "stop and go" penalty), so maybe we should use that as a minimum. There can of course be times when it needs to be increased if it's particularly severe - such a deliberate collision or total lack of judgement, etc. etc.

Wardez · Apr 25, 2011

Well I'll just take these things one at a time.

First, with quali.

I love live qualifying and here's a way we can keep it with out needing to have one of the stewards baby sit a quali. room all night/day:

Firstly, we make a larger list of people that can set up a Super lap qualifying room. With this there will be 3 levels of "organizers" so to speak. An admin (Denilson) Stewards (all of the regular stewards including the newly appointed Hortus) and on-track stewards. OT Stewards will be anyone that's been around the series long enough to know all the rules and is very well familiar with our qualifying system.

Since we have people from all over the world, having a lot of OT stewards will make it easy for anyone to simply request to be observed for their quali. run before deadline. Also, I suggest we push back the deadline to Thursday since the extra day before race day really doesn't make a difference.

The approval process for becoming an OTS won't be much more than "Oh you wanna be an OTS? Thanks *pin*" But of course, it should recommended that it will only be open to people that have been with us for at least 4 sessions, qualifying and racing.

The only complication I can come up with is people not using correct room settings or providing false times. To which we could remedy by making it necessary for all first time OTS to upload the replay so that an official steward may scrutinize the session.

Idea 2 for quali.:

Instead of always going with a super lap qualifying we may opt to have a toggle system where we either have regular Super lap live quali. or a regular 15 minute pre-race qualification depending on driver turn out for the week. This will be determined by the number of people that put themselves down on a "form of intent to qualify" sheet. It'll be a spreadsheet where people may put down their name and whether they intend to qualify that week or not. If we get at least 10 people for each class in a same class race or 8 people signed up for qualifying for a mixed class race we will do the superlap quali.

People would need to submit their intention by Sunday night so we could know what to go with. Just throwing it out there.

But that's all in preparing against low turn-outs like later in this season, which we want to avoid, so I'll leave it at that.

Also, I forget the reason, but why did we only run 14 cars on the grid last season?

Denilson · Apr 25, 2011

We only had 14 cars because some races with 16 cars was destroyed (for some) by lag issues. Since we changed to 14 cars, the lag issues pretty much dissapered.

Great job with the ideas btw 👍

Looks like we can make a really good series out of this. I'd just like some more feedback about the mix vs same class races. In my suggestion I kept the enduros to same class plus monaco and a few more. And 4 out of 11 races was mixed class. Do we want more or less mix classed races or is it ok?

The way I see it, the enduros (La Sarthe, Nurburgring 24h and last Suzuka) must be same class (GT300's will never finish the race). Monaco is already a tight track, and we don't need to make that one tougher than it already is. The rest of the races I just split in two, half same class and half mixed class. I like the mixed class idea, but I also like the same class races. A lot of drivers want the whole championship to be same class, but we really need to have a few mixed class races 1) I don't want to make this into a GT500 and a GT300 series. 2) Masi_23 started the WSGTC with mixed class as a fundamental part of the whole idea 3) A lot of us really like the mixed class races.

So to try and make everyone happy I suggest that we will do a few mixed class races, and a few same class races. Exept for the enduros which will run same class always for obvious reasons. Also, the negative part with D1 and D2 is that drivers are "hadicapped".. That's why I suggested that 1st in D2 will make as much points as 5th in D1, 2nd in D2 will make as much points as 6th in D1 and so on.
D1.1: 55p
D1.2: 49p
D1.3: 43p
D1.4: 37p
D1.5: 32p
D1.6: 27p
D1.7: 22p
D2.1: 32p
D2.2: 27p
D2.3: 22p
D2.4: 18p
D2.5: 14p
D2.6: 10p
D2.7: 6p

What about this idea?

And also, about the finished race bonus. How about if we give 10 p for finishing the race. And if you finish 11%, you'll get 1p, 45% will be 4p, 91% will be 9p etc. If a driver DC's he will automaticly get the last place in that race/division (if no driver DC's before him ofc) plus the bonuspoints, related to the racepercentage completion as stated above.

About the mixed class races: Even when we changed the startprocedure where the GT300's drove 1 lap prior the formationlap a lot of GT300's did not finish the race. My solution to this is that when GT300's have done their first lap (the one prior the formation lap) GT300's will start about 60 seconds before GT500's. So GT300's will do one lap prior the formationlap, and then lead the formationlap with GT500's about 60 seconds behind. In this case we will get final times for all cars and penaltys will be much easier to hand out.

Penaltys: I also think that we should make the penalty for causing avoidable damage less. Let's say that we use 20 or 25 seconds as penalty, but it could increase if the errant driver was wreckless, or overly aggressive or similar. The only downside (as I also pointed out before the first season) is that we could end up with similar incidents that ends up in different penalties, leading to drivers that are not happy with steward decitions. "Why did I get X penalty and he only got Y penalty for the same situation" and arguments similar to that one. When we have predetermined penalties for every situation the arguments are not that many. But I would say that the new idea is batter in the end. Just putting out something for you guys to concider (guess you already have :lol:

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Wardez · Apr 25, 2011

That point set up makes a lot of sense but we'll just need to make sure we indicate what points were awarded through which division on the points table to avoid any confusion. That's a brilliant fix for the winner of Div 2.

Because we'll see people on the points table with a higher finishing position but lower total points. Easy way to remedy that is to color the multi-class race finishing positions differently and indicate multi-class vs. same-class on the table's race heading.

If you want me to run the table again I can come up with that whole system.

But to comment on the main idea, yes. The way we have the races split between mixed and same is definitely the most exciting and best way to go, that's what I love most about WSGTC.

...I'd also like to see Tokyo...

KamyKaze1098 · Apr 25, 2011

What about a different track in one weekend??
Tsukuba would be great in the GT 300, and the 500 could race in another track.

Denilson · Apr 25, 2011

@ Wardez: Yea, one solution could be to just type D2.1 instead of 8 in the sheet for the mixed class races. In this case, you don't need to use more colors than we already do.

@ KamyKaze1098: I don't see anything wrong with it. But which one of the same class races do you want to change (enduros can not be changed) to Tsukuba?

competizione · Apr 25, 2011

Denilson
Penaltys: I also think that we should make the penalty for causing avoidable damage less. Let's say that we use 20 or 25 seconds as penalty, but it could increase if the errant driver was wreckless, or overly aggressive or similar. The only downside (as I also pointed out before the first season) is that we could end up with similar incidents that ends up in different penalties, leading to drivers that are not happy with steward decitions. "Why did I get X penalty and he only got Y penalty for the same situation" and arguments similar to that one. When we have predetermined penalties for every situation the arguments are not that many. But I would say that the new idea is batter in the end. Just putting out something for you guys to concider (guess you already have )

i think also the penalty for shortcutting/going wide should be so big. i know people not scall go straigth through a chicane or something but for example t4 on nurb gp/d i got a 40 seconds penalty for that. not to say it was unfair or i didnt go wide but i have maybe gained 2 or 3 seconds and not ruined the race for anybody else and still got a penalty. i think 10 or 20 seconds instead would be a better penalty.

Denilson · Apr 25, 2011

I think you got 40 seconds for repetedly running wide if I recall.. Not for 1 occasion.

And also, the panlties are not there to make up for time gained. Thay are also there to show that running wide repetedly is not going to be tolerated. No one get a penalty of 40 seconds for going wide once. We do have a three strike system when it comes to cornercutting/going wide to gain time. It's in the OP in the WSGTC Round X threads. 👍

KamyKaze1098 · Apr 25, 2011

I wouldn't mind swaping Indy for Tsukuba.
What you all think??

Joshua1994 · Apr 25, 2011

I'd prefer Indy, Tsukubas such a horrible track for 300+ bhp cars imo, i mean, its so tight and what not!

Wardez · Apr 26, 2011

Joshua1994
I'd prefer Indy, Tsukubas such a horrible track for 300+ bhp cars imo, i mean, its so tight and what not!

He's talking about running a split race weekend for certain same class races.

For instance, if the regular schedule called for Indy to be the same class race for Round 4 (for example) then he's suggesting that the GT300 class run Tsukuba instead and the GT500 run Indy since it suits the different car types.

I think it's an awesome idea but maybe just for one or two rounds because it does throw in the extra complication of having to run quali sessions on two separate tracks for the two different classes.

Denilson · Apr 26, 2011

I'd also like if everyone who's interested in participating and stay commited in WSGTC 2 could copy and paste in the list below (make sure to copy the entire post):

GT500:
Denilson (chorda)

GT300:

OwensRacing · Apr 26, 2011

Progressive penalties. First offense 20 then tack 5 to 10 seconds each offense. This will be something that maybe a driver can earn the time back with two races clean. He gets one infraction removed. It would take some tracking. But I personally am willing to help this league any way possible.

Say a driver gets two penalties in one race. With a +10 factor.

His total would be 50 seconds. He would the. Start the next race with a 30 second penalty factor. He goes two race clean back to 20.

He gets say two more next race. He will be getting 30+30+10 = 70seconds. Now he sits at a factor of 40 seconds.

Indy over tskuba

I wouldn't mind an original track just for GT tradition. Grand Valley would be my vote.

Denilson · Apr 26, 2011

OwensRacing
Progressive penalties. First offense 20 then tack 5 to 10 seconds each offense. This will be something that maybe a driver can earn the time back with two races clean. He gets one infraction removed. It would take some tracking. But I personally am willing to help this league any way possible.

Say a driver gets two penalties in one race. With a +10 factor.

His total would be 50 seconds. He would the. Start the next race with a 30 second penalty factor. He goes two race clean back to 20.

He gets say two more next race. He will be getting 30+30+10 = 70seconds. Now he sits at a factor of 40 seconds.

Interesting idea. But is it possible to keep it fair? I'm thinking if a driver do cause avoidable damage, but it's very bad luck, and also part because of another drivers mistake. And if the same thing happens to him the next race, my guess is that he will wihtdraw from the championship due to his bad luck/strict penalties.

I'd say that if we're going to change the penalties, we'll have to stick to one penalty for a starters, and inforce the penalty if the avoidable damage was due to aggressive driving, on purpose or just plain stupidity. And also make sure that a penalty will not "haunt" that driver. What I'm trying to say is that when a driver gets a penalty, I don't think that he should suffer from that perticular penalty in future incidents.

I'm not sure, just thinking out loud 👍

Came to think of something else.. Not that important perhaps, but I think it's a cool idea. In the final when the top 4 from each class will battle eachother, all Acura NSX RM's need to be painted nero/nero. The only thing that will separate the cars will be the number. 1st in GT500 will use 51, 2nd will use 52, 3rd will use 53, and 4th will use number 54. And same for the GT300's but 31, 32, 33 and 34.. Think it will look pretty cool.

Jav · Apr 26, 2011

I'd also like if everyone who's interested in participating and stay commited in WSGTC 2 could copy and paste in the list below (make sure to copy the entire post):

GT500:
Denilson (chorda)
Jav (Jav122678)

GT300:

MajikTom · Apr 26, 2011

I'd also like if everyone who's interested in participating and stay commited in WSGTC 2 could copy and paste in the list below (make sure to copy the entire post):

GT500:
Denilson (chorda)
Jav (Jav122678)
MajkTom (MajikTom)

GT300:

PS> I like the pre-quali... makes race day less stressful...

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