WSGTC 2 discussion

[Denilson]

Not a stupid idea Owens. But as I said when you first posted that suggestion, the fact that you'll get penalized beyond that perticular race, and I think that it's a bit to tough, and also the trouble it'll cause us to keep track of.

Tba, I'm not concidered at all about the penalties. The last 4-5 races have not rendered in any incident reports at all. But we need to stay sharp during pre-season as well as in the first couple of rounds to be strict with the penalties to show where we draw the line. And for the record, we don't accept any overly aggressive driving, illegal blockings etc.

 

[OwensRacing]

Not a stupid idea Owens. But as I said when you first posted that suggestion, the fact that you'll get penalized beyond that perticular race, and I think that it's a bit to tough, and also the trouble it'll cause us to keep track of.

Tba, I'm not concidered at all about the penalties. The last 4-5 races have not rendered in any incident reports at all. But we need to stay sharp during pre-season as well as in the first couple of rounds to be strict with the penalties to show where we draw the line. And for the record, we don't accept any overly aggressive driving, illegal blockings etc.

I was referring to the idea being put to use for ballast on winning drivers. Nothing to do with unclean driving.

 

[Wardez]

I still believe there's lots of room for change in the OP. I'll go over it with you in PMs tomorrow Denilson (As well as send you the final GT300 results leaderboard for WSGTC 1)

A lot of it should be streamlined. There's to much information spread out the proposed OP and was still hard for me to find certain rules even after 9 rounds.

There should be a refresh anyway since we're going into a new series. Also, I need you to select a color final color scheme you'd like to go with. We'll start with one but can always change/modify it as we go on. It should be simple, two colors or three at the most. did you want purple and black?

Check out kuler.adobe.com and search for color themes.

 

[Denilson]

Purple/black is a nice combo. But mainly the dark grey background is what I want. The tables can stay dark grey with black borders and white text. I went to kuler.adobe but I could not create a theme the way I wanted it to look. But let's say that the dark grey, white text, red, light purple, purple is pretty much what I want. The yellow, silver, bronze colors need to be in as well for obvious reasons. I think it's hard to only keep it to 3 colors. Because I want it to be easy to see just by looking at the table who got DC'd, DNS and so on. And DC's does'nt occur that often actually. Once every other race or something. So the tables don't get that much different colors.

I also think that a lot of information is in the OP, and that it needs to be streamlined, as you say. But is it that hard to find rules and procedures in the OP? Post 2 and 3 contains all of it. Code of racing conduct, penalty system, procedures, rules, eligable cars and so on.

OwensRacing: Sorry, must've misread. I was awake for 23 hours yesterday and my brain was fried. I think that the proposed success penalty system works in about the same way as in your suggestion. Just replace the "clean race" thing with "missing the podium", and then, as in your suggestion, ballast can be removed in steps, and can only be removed if you can't hit podiums.

 

[Piket]

I have a question about the allowed mods of the GT300 cars.

I have a non-breaked-in Cusco '08 and with the stage 2 turbo it has 344bhp. Is it going to go up to 361bhp just with the break-in? Can someone confirm this?

Also, i guess chassis reinforcement is not allowed as it did in season 1 for the Cusco and IS350, right?

 

[Denilson]

Piket: Yes, you are correct. No mods except the listed ones are approved. If it's not listed, it's not allowed.

If you do an oil-change, and then just set your powerlimiter to the suggested level. In time, your car will end up at the maximum allowed bhp. 👍

 

[Piket]

Piket: Yes, you are correct. No mods except the listed ones are approved. If it's not listed, it's not allowed.

If you do an oil-change, and then just set your powerlimiter to the suggested level. In time, your car will end up at the maximum allowed bhp. 👍

I did an oil change and with PL @ 100% i'm getting 344bhp. And after breaking it in i'm supposed to get 361bhp with the PL @ 93.1% ?

 

[KamyKaze1098]

I think its stage 3 turbo.
That was a typo.

 

[Denilson]

OK, if it's a typo, we need to await Aderrrms response.

 

[Adam41]

I updated all the typo's on page 18. You need to update this thread OP and the sign-up thread with these, Denilson. 👍

Car - Time - BHP - Weight - PP - Top speed home straight - speed at apex of 1st schumacher S - top speed back straight - Mods allowed

Celica --- 2:02.318 - 323 - 1050 - 547 - 142.5 - 108 - 139 - Stage 1 turbo, power limiter 91.2%
Garaiya S 2:02.339 - 322 - 1125 - 532 - 141 - 107 - 138.5 - Stock, power limite 97.4%
Impreza S 2:02.344 - 334 - 1100 - 547 - 141.5 - 107.5 - 138 - Stage 1 turbo, power limiter 95.0%
RX-7 ---- 2:02.347 - 337 - 1100 - 534 - 143 - 107.5 - 140 - stock
IS350 --- 2:02.379 - 361 - 1150 - 551 - 142.5 - 108.5 - 139 - Stage 3 engine tuning, power limiter 97.0%
Garaiya P 2:02.381 - 352 - 1175 - 537 - 142.5 - 107.5 - 139 - stock
MR-S ---- 2:02.3xx - 320 - 1125 - 538 - 143 - 107.5 - 140 - Stage 1 turbo, power limiter 88.4%
Impreza P 2:02.423 - 361 - 1100 - 551 - 143.5 - 108.5 - 140 - Stage 3 turbo, power limiter 93.1%

This is all the correct information you need (I think ). Any questions, ask.

And chassis reinforcement is not allowed.

 

[Denilson]

Discussion and pre-season OP's are now updated.

I appologize for the typos.

 

[Adam41]

Make sure to add the standard Garaiya aswell.

About the ballast weight, I think 50/30/10 is good. I did a pretty good lap around Suzuka the other day in the GT300 RX7 and I just did about 5 laps with it with 50kg ballast onboard and it was 1.6 seconds slower. I think I could get the 50kg ballast time probably 3 tenths lower, so I'd say around 1.3 seconds around Suzuka which would probably be around a second if not just under on most other tracks.

 

[OwensRacing]

Make sure to add the standard Garaiya aswell.

About the ballast weight, I think 50/30/10 is good. I did a pretty good lap around Suzuka the other day in the GT300 RX7 and I just did about 5 laps with it with 50kg ballast onboard and it was 1.6 seconds slower. I think I could get the 50kg ballast time probably 3 tenths lower, so I'd say around 1.3 seconds around Suzuka which would probably be around a second if not just under on most other tracks.

Gt500 will show less effects from the weight. With that I say work up a percent deal so the GT300 takes less weight penalty. Say 40 kg to gt500 50kg. Just be 10 less for GT300


GT300 - 40 / 20 / 10

GT500 - 50 / 25 / 15

 

[Denilson]

I'd rather keep the 50/30/10 for GT300's. And up the success ballast to 60/40/20 for GT500's.

A good enough compromize?

 

[OwensRacing]

I'd rather keep the 50/30/10 for GT300's. And up the success ballast to 60/40/20 for GT500's.

A good enough compromize?

I like. However that second per lap lost seems large over a 40 lap race. That's a full pit stop.

Just hate to see winners put to last or back of pack over ballast. then again they will get to remove it if it hampers the next race badly. Hmmm


Also do winners carry ballast during Qualfying. Or are they allowed normal specs for Qualfying and add weight come race?

Adding weight for qualfier. Seems a good way to put the winner of last week into a Div2 race.

Just some things to think over.

 

[Denilson]

Ballast will not be used during quali. I don't want the penalty to have such a strong affect.

 

[OwensRacing]

Ballast will not be used during quali. I don't want the penalty to have such a strong affect.

Awesome!

 

[Denilson]

Aderrrm, how about the Standard RX7?

 

[Adam41]

Should I test the standard RX-7, Garaiya and Impreza? I know a few people have used the standard Garaiya, but no one I don't think has used the other 2.

The standard Impreza is RWD so I think we should definitely try to include that car because it obviously has a unique character and doesn't suffer from the front tire wear like the AWD version. The standard Garaiya also differs from the premium one, it has a turbo engine with completely different power curve and isn't as twitchy. I think that car also deserves to be on the list. The standard RX7 seems very similar to the premium one, just has 4HP less...noone used it, I think that one can be left out.

I decided along with ultrap's suggestions, that we would leave the standard RX7 out? If someone wants to use it then fine, but it would be kind of pointless seeing as it's pretty much the same as the premium, just slower. Leaving the standard RX7 out, we have 8 gt300 cars and going by your suggestion to limit each car to 3 people, that would make 24 spots. I'll test it next week if you want me to though.

 

[Denilson]

ok, thanks! 👍

You guys knows what's best for the GT300 class. 👍

And on another note Aderrrm, since you're probably the one who got the most of the GT300's fully broken in. I need your help during the season with how much the pp will differ when ballast is added.
I'll create a spresdsheet were we can monitor the amount of ballast each driver have to use, and what pp he will enter track with.

 

[Paginas1]

Wow this thread is really kicking off hehe, i like what is being said

 

[Piket]

What laptimes did you guys do with the WSGTC 2 cars @ Grand Valley?

 

[KamyKaze1098]

My best was 1:54.359 in a Garaya.

 

[Otsdarva]

My best was 1:57.1xx in the Cusco Scooby.

 

[Paginas1]

With the ballast system - Are we having the weight forced to be stuck in middle of car?

I ask this question because if we are allowed to move it around then it could be used for an advantage in a way

if you get my point.

Basicaly i would say we should force it to be stuck in a static position for everyone

 

[Adam41]

Thing is there's no way to check where people are putting the weight i.e. keeping it in the middle, so you have to allow people to move it around.

 

[Paginas1]

Thing is there's no way to check where people are putting the weight i.e. keeping it in the middle, so you have to allow people to move it around.

Yea i know that its like the chassis thingy we do not allowed that and theres no way of checking it but we just have to trust people in what they do

 

[Adam41]

True, but moving the weight forwards/backwards would give a greater advantage (especially if you had 100kg+ ballast) than that stupid chassis reinforcement which is unnoticeable to performance. So it would be better to allow people to move the weight around, because if you didn't then some people may be gaining an advantage without us knowing it. At the moment we don't allow people to use chassis reinforcement but if someone did use it then there would hardly be any difference to their performance at all.

 

[Denilson]

The position of the ballast is up to the driver to decide. Like IRL! 👍

Cars would suffer wery differently if we decided a sertain position for it. Imagine the NSX or Garaiya with the ballast forced to the rear.