Vettel Challenge

I may be a glitcher, but I can do the challenge (and get gold) without beeing under the track. đź‘Ť

Jealous? I understand.
 
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

But don't forget, he claims in an earlier post that went back and golded Suzuka legit after he already glitched it.
If it was that easy for you to gold after you glitch, then why did you glitch?:dunce:

I haven't touched Vettel since I bronzed it (in early February), I saw the Suzuka glitch and I did it.
I never played Vettel since I was one of those people who cried "I don't have a wheel, it's impossible without" etc.
Suzuka glitch got me back on Vettel, sort of - so I tried Monza legit. Got gold in 30 minutes, "this isn't hard at all, it's perfectly doable" I thought.
5 days later I golded Nurburgring too, after I golded Nurburgring I've re-done the Suzuka - gold in about 2 hours.


Yes, I thought of glitching the challenge at first - but I have given up on glitching and resorted to doing it fair and square, so don't put me in the same category with you since I actually beat the challenge farily.

:cheers:


I've given splits, tips, settings etc to help people and this is how people act towards me? Sad.
 
I totally agree!
Why does GTP encourage glitching is beyond my comprehension.
I golded Vettel without glitching (used the Suzuka glitch but got gold legit too after I golded Nurburgring).
Community is already sad - I mean, people willing to delete their game data and waste 1h just because of 1 car is funny proof how ****ed up this community is.
Same goes for Vettel, xp glitch and trading.
I don't encourage but it's something I or anyone can't fight with. The only people who can fight with this are the GTP staff members but they don't, so that's why we have all of the things I've mentioned above.

In GTA - offline cheating doesn't affect others.
In GT5 it does, you can get Platinum and brag even though you didn't deserve it.
Platinum's worthless now, I didn't get Platinum just for bragging, I got Platinum because I love this game.
Yes, initially I used Suzuka glitch, hell, if it wasn't discovered I wouldn't have touched the Vettel Challenge.
Thank you Suzuka glitch, for bringing me back to Vettel and forcing me to get all golds using sixaxis.
Afterwards (after Nurburgring) I tried Suzuka legit - gold in 2h.
I've gotten good with Vettel, all because of one glitch.
But what the f...now? You can glitch Nurburgring too? Unfair, just unfair to the people who got it legit.
But hey, X2010 Prototype was always worthless.

LOL, LOL, LOL.

Wow, **** this now.
I spend 6 days killing myself doing that ****ing challenge and now ALL 3 ARE GLITCHABLE?
LOL?

Now even people who couldn't gold Monza will have all gold, wow.

It's not a problem, it's just...some people (aka me and many more peeps) spent really hard time getting those challenges done without glitching.
And now people can get them done without any skill whatsoever, and added to that, GTPlanet totally approves glitching.
Golding S.Vettel on a pad was a huge achievement and now, (almost) everyone can say the same.

In total, I spent 6 days on S.Vettel and roughly 4000km.


But I guess those people who glitched for Vettel will get stuck on challenges like IC-3, A-8, Grand Tour Eiger Nordwand, AMG Begineer Sector 4 and some more, because you can't glitch there, can you?

:lol: at that glitch.
You can't compare B licence test with the hardest challenge in the game, you just can't.
The only people who support glitching are the ones who glitch themselves.

- Vettel challenge isn't impossible with a pad, so please shut up with "I don't have a wheel" excuses
- You can't compare a time consuming trophy (Car Collector) with a skill related trophies (Platinum and Gold Standard), you're really stupid if you compare those two
- I understand that many people will do this just for a car (X2010 Prototype) but there are many people who will do it for Platinum and then brag about having S.Vettel done legit


If you glitch it - admit you're glitching because you lack skill to complete it so you resort to those desperate means, don't make ten different excuses every hour.

"Vettel doesn't even do gold times" - Vettel does very slow laps on all 3 tracks. He does bronze times.
The point of the challenge was/is to beat him/to catch up with him.

"Go easy on the insults, we're just having a debate here" - Well, I'm trying to go as easy as I possibly can but people who talk nonsense really provoke me into saying things which are innapropriate, appologies.


In the end, I don't care - do as you like, just don't expect respect/virtual pat on the back (all you who glitch for Platinum).

tALEz, well done man, well done.
What a speech.
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PS1 wasn't connected to the internet, was it?
PS1 didn't have trophies, did it?

GameShark, push button codes & so on, were ok in that era since you didn't affect anyone by your actions.

I've said - glitch, I don't care (why should I) but if you had glitched, please, leave your ego at the doorstep and don't try to make any excuses.




Platinum is meant for people who have skill to complete what the game has asked. If you can't complete a challenge that means you don't have the skill required and you don't deserve the Platinum trophy.
Simple as that.
You must be one of those glitchers who have convinced themselves that they actually deserve Platinum.
I know a little bit of psychology and I can say that the quoted guy suffers from a bad case of narcissistic personality disorder.

Elitism maybe?
It exists on almost every game.

Simply plat is 1337 and you can have a sig like this *look down @ my sig* on a forum with 190.000 members, j/k :lol: but as I've said - some people will convince themselves that they really do deserve plat even tho they glicthed for it, that makes me go "grrrr" (not really).

I never denied using Suzuka glitch, after all - it brought me back to the challenge.
After Suzuka I did Monza and after Monza I did Nurburgring - legit since you couldn't glitch on those 2 maps back then.
When I did Monza and Nurburgring I realised that it's not impossible at all, infact it's very doable so I did Suzuka after I did Nurburgring.
I have the replays saved and will be doing the challenge on other account too.
Good ammount of jealousy there I see.

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I said, I never denied using it.
The problem is (for those who can't see) - people who can't even get silver legit (which is very easy, on all 3 tracks) can now go around with gold and attack people who got it legitemetely.
People even glitch on Monza, you should get shot.

I have the replays of all 3 tracks saved on my PS3. I can't upload since I can't record.
I could send the replays (upload them on GTP) but why should I go that far to prove a point to glitchers?


Fact of the matter is - I can beat the challenge while you/glitchers can't so you resort to glitching, since it's your only way of getting this challenge done...or you can do this:
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'sup?


I'll be accepting offers after PD repairs the glitch. đź‘Ť

I haven't touched Vettel since I bronzed it (in early February), I saw the Suzuka glitch and I did it.
I never played Vettel since I was one of those people who cried "I don't have a wheel, it's impossible without" etc.
Suzuka glitch got me back on Vettel, sort of - so I tried Monza legit. Got gold in 30 minutes, "this isn't hard at all, it's perfectly doable" I thought.
5 days later I golded Nurburgring too, after I golded Nurburgring I've re-done the Suzuka - gold in about 2 hours.


Yes, I thought of glitching the challenge at first - but I have given up on glitching and resorted to doing it fair and square, so don't put me in the same category with you since I actually beat the challenge farily.

:cheers:


I've given splits, tips, settings etc to help people and this is how people act towards me? Sad.

I have taken the liberty and gone back through your posts here.
Now please read them, you admit to using the glitch twice?
Yet any other time you have this elitist attitude like you never touched or thought about the glitch.
"Pssst, hey pot...it's the kettle."

I will gladly put you on the same category as me and anyone else who as used one of these glitches.

As for splits and tips and settings, I've given tips and settings.
I can give splits too, all I need is Google.

I would love to see these magical replays that you have 'no way' to upload for others to see.

By the way, as I typed this message I was golding Nurburgring and Suzuka too, AT THE SAME TIME!. Heck, it was real easy after the glitch.
Since you claim to have done so as well, does that make me a 'legit' player now?

And yet you also have GT5 platinum in your sig and hate on the people that got platinum AND brag about it because of using the glitch.
Oh wait, that's right, after you glitched it you went back and golded it in no time at all.
 
I haven't touched Vettel since I bronzed it (in early February), I saw the Suzuka glitch and I did it.
I never played Vettel since I was one of those people who cried "I don't have a wheel, it's impossible without" etc.
Suzuka glitch got me back on Vettel, sort of - so I tried Monza legit. Got gold in 30 minutes, "this isn't hard at all, it's perfectly doable" I thought.
5 days later I golded Nurburgring too, after I golded Nurburgring I've re-done the Suzuka - gold in about 2 hours.


Yes, I thought of glitching the challenge at first - but I have given up on glitching and resorted to doing it fair and square, so don't put me in the same category with you since I actually beat the challenge farily.

:cheers:


I've given splits, tips, settings etc to help people and this is how people act towards me? Sad.

Bro..noone is berating u for giving out tips to help others. That's very admirable of you. Noone is giving you agro for doing them "legit". Also noone is telling you how to play your game. What people like me find amusing is that you have raved and ranted in this thread spewing out vile about glitching and how glitchers are cheats etc. Only for it to come to light that you have actually done the same thing you have been giving others agro about.
 
Bro..noone is berating u for giving out tips to help others. That's very admirable of you. Noone is giving you agro for doing them "legit". Also noone is telling you how to play your game. What people like me find amusing is that you have raved and ranted in this thread spewing out vile about glitching and how glitchers are cheats etc. Only for it to come to light that you have actually done the same thing you have been giving others agro about.

Exactly why I find it all so funny.:)
 
Platinum is meant for people who have skill to complete what the game has asked. If you can't complete a challenge that means you don't have the skill required and you don't deserve the Platinum trophy.
Simple as that.

You must be one of those glitchers who have convinced themselves that they actually deserve Platinum.
I know a little bit of psychology and I can say that the quoted guy suffers from a bad case of narcissistic personality disorder.

That's the best part. I couldn't believe that I've overlooked it. :)

No offense, but I think you are not talking about me, you are talking about the guy in the mirror. :sly:
 
Because I have 2 other accounts, prepared them for platinum. :D

Glitching Monza is a real challenge. No joke. We should deserve a "GlitcherKing" trophy for it. :dunce:
Sorry I'm still not understanding here.
If glitching Monza is just as hard as doing it legitimately, why still choose glitch over legitimate?

You don't have to, but it's imo not very clever to blame the glitchers for using "the easy way" when it's clearly PD's fault. ;)

If you leave your car unlocked over the night then don't blame the thieves for stealing your car audio system. :sly:
Wow seriously? I've to say I strongly disagree with your ingenious example here.

Is that really your mentality or the way you were taught? Do you intend to impart this sort of mindset to the next generations?

"Hey the security guard is falling asleep now. Let's go rob the bank quick!"
"Son, that old lady just fell to the ground. Quick grab her purse!"


Again sorry if you still believe in that approach, but I just truly cannot agree with you. Let's just agree to disagree here.

Exactly, we can only guess. And that brings me to another question.

Why should anyone who have golded the Vettel Challenges legitim (like he stated) creating a thread like this & asking "indirectly" how to glitch?
I'm sorry I can't speak for himself, I'm not him!
But it looks like he's responding already.


Anyway what about my question in the previous post.
Do you know of a video that shows the 'jerky' small turns done with a wheel? With proof as well.
(Not trying to be a pain in the a$$ here, but I sincerely would like to view it.)
 
Anyways..fellow "glitchers", let's put this to bed now. Each to their own.

Exactly. It's getting pathetic. :D

And we have better things to do. F.e. glitching the 24h NĂĽrburgring endurance race before the 1.11 patch (30/Aug). :lol:



Happy glitching, guys. :)đź‘Ť
 
Actually it DOES somewhat reflect on the person's mentality, morale, discipline - however you want to put it.
I said this.

(Exorcet) ...reflects on the mentality of someone. Actually, it might do the latter - someone who glitches rather than moan about people glitching probably has a better sense of priorities; at least I feel that way.

If something is very tough, it's always better to cheat your way through?
That's not even remotely the issue here. The stated question does not matter.

-Some people just want the car and don't care about the challenge
-It isn't even cheating (unless it's part of a competition, aka you challenge someone to be the first out of the two of you to beat the VC, etc)
-Even if the answer to your question is "no", it does not mean that it's always bad to "cheat". Glitching the VC has no effect on anyone.

- Thomas Edison failed 10,000 times before succeeding. Should he have screwed the light bulb and opt for the matches/lighter instead?
- J.K. Rowling (author of Harry Potter series) was rejected by twelve different publishers and was told to "go get a day job". Should she have given up and worked at PizzaHut instead? Should she have slept with someone to get her book published?
Sure these aren't video games, but do they share a similar concept? I can give you plenty more examples.
What do these things have to do with glitching VC? Nothing. How can you glitch inventing the lightbulb, realistically?

But consider this. If Edison discovered a phone that let him call the future and discover safe, reliable, energy efficient lightbulbs - and he did not use it and instead tried to invent the lightbulb himself, he would be an absolute moron.

If J.K. found a magic button that would get her book published, that would have been the best solution. It didn't exist for her, so she did what she had to do.

Fortunately for GT5 players, the magic phone and magic button do exist. They have no counterpart in real life, and this kind of voids your whole comparison.

When the going gets tough, the tough gets going.
But no, it's 'crazy' to do it the long-proper way? It's more common sense to find glitches?
Error 1 - There is no proper way
Error 2 - The tough did get going. They put their minds to work and found the quickest way to their goal. They should be congratulated on their work and creativity.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but seems like you (and for sure alot others) really hate the game. Why are you still playing it? What did you get the X1 prototype for?
You're not very good at reading people. You also probably did not use common sense when writing the above quote. If I don't like the game, why am I playing and enjoying it? Comments like the one you just made have been made often. They never fail to make the person stating them seem less clever than they think they are. No insult meant, it's just the truth. I mean ask yourself, does what you say even make sense? Someone approving of cheating means that someone hates the game?

It's part of the ridiculous "you like driving so anything related to cars should make you happy/ if you don't like all forms of car interaction, you hate cars period" argument. It's sickening how illogical it is.

Let me pose you a question - since you love grinding away at the VC for hours, do you also enjoy getting stuck in a traffic jam for hours? They're both driving right? Think of it as an endurance race. No saves too, you're stuck in 0-5 mph bumper to bumper traffic for a good nonstop 5 hours straight. For someone who loves GT5, this must be a positive experience correct?

Or will you choose to be logical and admit that one can dislike parts without disliking the whole?

And you want to know why I got the X1? To drive and race it, since the game is about driving/racing and I like to drive/race. Especially the racing part. What else would I do with it? Put it on my mantle and gloat about? Drive it around in circles online because it's exclusive and do nothing with it because no one else has one? Well, doesn't that sound fun.
Sorry I'm not understanding this. Care to explain?
And what about mods locking 'non-cheat' threads, but allowing multiple 'cheat' threads instead?
It would mean that the mods would be policing how people should play their games, which is insane. True cheating - which is clearly not well understood here - is inherently wrong. Those do get shut down. Glitching is not cheating or inherently harmful. It is completely legitimate - exactly as legitimate as doing the VC according to its rules. Closing threads on glitching is proof as biased behavior and lack of acceptance of differing opinions.

The multiple thread thing doesn't hold much water. There are many repeated threads. GTP is big, and there are only so many moderators. To ask for 100% flawless performance from them is too much.




















Glitching Monza is a real challenge. No joke. We should deserve a "GlitcherKing" trophy for it. :dunce:
I've not tried the glitch, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of this statement (although Monza is by far the easiest part of the VC), but wouldn't anyone attempting to glitch do so in hopes that it is easier than following the rules?

Defending glitching is the right things to do since there is nothing wrong with it, but one shouldn't go overboard trying to defend what's right - overboard to the point where they say things that might not be true or make sense.

Admitting that glitching is easier than following the rules is OK. It doesn't put glitching in a bad light, and it doesn't give those against glitching any ammo.

You don't have to, but it's imo not very clever to blame the glitchers for using "the easy way" when it's clearly PD's fault. ;)

If you leave your car unlocked over the night then don't blame the thieves for stealing your car audio system. :sly:
You really can't "blame" PD, unless they did it intentionally. Mistakes are made. The glitches may be one such a mistake. It's a glitcher's choice to glitch or not.

Now what I think Sony should do is stop trying to pretend that trophies and preventing "cheating" are so important, and gives players an option. When a game starts up, give players to choice to play how they want, but at the cost of giving up trophies. If the player wants trophies, they get to start a new save along side their current one, and extra tight measures are used to prevent exploiting.

LBP sort of did this. You could copy someone else's save so you could skip the tedious developer made levels and jump into the level creator which was basically the point of the game, yet for some reason locked and restricted initially. If you did this, you lost trophies forever. I only regret not finding this before I manged to get a couple of LBP trophies.

Exactly, we can only guess. And that brings me to another question.
This is a good point. People who did the VC with a controller can't really prove it anyone. So they are in the same position they always were in.
 
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People see what they want to see.
At first I planned to glitch through the entire challenge but midway through all that I started focusing on doing it legit.

I admit that I've switched sides after I golded Monza. Sorry to everyone.
I'm removing the picture link.

PS: I love drama, I've intentionally carried on with flaming for my personal amusement. The truth is - I don't care, Vettel is an unrealistic challenge anyways.
I'm still proud that I've done it the good (:lol:) way.
Cheers, sorry if I insulted anyone etc etc.
 
I used the glitch for Suzuka and Nurburgring.

After spending an hour trying to glitch Monza, I gave up and and did it legit in an hour!

I couldn't care less if people glitch or not. If you have completed 99% of the game legitimately and then glitched for 1% that doesn't mean your some kind of evil cheater.
 
Ah, but when you glitch, you don't have that enormous sense of accomplishment when you actually beat Vettel, like I finally did 2 days ago. FINALLY.
 
I glitched all 3 challenges. I dont have the time, or inclination to sit for hours/days at a time to do them properly. I managed to squeeze them all into an hour this morning...

However, my OCD tells me to gold everything, so I did it my way

I dont care if you hate me for it

Thanks to those who posted up the videos :D
 
Ah, but when you glitch, you don't have that enormous sense of accomplishment when you actually beat Vettel, like I finally did 2 days ago. FINALLY.

I still have an enormous sense of acheivement, because they werent the easiest to glitch. Monza was actually the hardest getting through the barriers quick enough...
 
That's not even remotely the issue here. The stated question does not matter.

-Some people just want the car and don't care about the challenge
-It isn't even cheating (unless it's part of a competition, aka you challenge someone to be the first out of the two of you to beat the VC, etc)
-Even if the answer to your question is "no", it does not mean that it's always bad to "cheat". Glitching the VC has no effect on anyone.
Sorry you have a different definition of cheating. The dictionary shows me this:
- Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination
- Deceive or trick

Sure you're not being dishonest to anyone, unfair to anyone or tricking anyone. You're just doing it to the game, you're cheating the game. You gained an advantage, in your case getting the X1.
There's a reason what ppl call them (some even quoted me a couple of pages ago) cheat codes in those console/PC games. People using cheat codes aren't affecting anyone too right.
Most people even admitted openly that they already cheated by glitching VC. Are you that conceited to think otherwise.

What do these things have to do with glitching VC? Nothing. How can you glitch inventing the lightbulb, realistically?

But consider this. If Edison discovered a phone that let him call the future and discover safe, reliable, energy efficient lightbulbs - and he did not use it and instead tried to invent the lightbulb himself, he would be an absolute moron.

If J.K. found a magic button that would get her book published, that would have been the best solution. It didn't exist for her, so she did what she had to do.

Fortunately for GT5 players, the magic phone and magic button do exist. They have no counterpart in real life, and this kind of voids your whole comparison.
Not saying they have anything to do with glitching VC. I did mention they're not video games.
Just saying they share a similar concept. Values like perseverance, dedication, or discipline come to mind.
I'm sure these principles mean something to you, but just not in GT5 or video games huh.

Error 1 - There is no proper way
Error 2 - The tough did get going. They put their minds to work and found the quickest way to their goal. They should be congratulated on their work and creativity.
So doing it without glitch is not a proper way? Okay, we have to disagree here.
And compared to doing without glitch, the 'tough got going' considering it's the quickest and more effortless way to their goal? And furthermore should be commended too? Again we have to disagree.

You're not very good at reading people. You also probably did not use common sense when writing the above quote. If I don't like the game, why am I playing and enjoying it? Comments like the one you just made have been made often. They never fail to make the person stating them seem less clever than they think they are. No insult meant, it's just the truth. I mean ask yourself, does what you say even make sense? Someone approving of cheating means that someone hates the game?

It's part of the ridiculous "you like driving so anything related to cars should make you happy/ if you don't like all forms of car interaction, you hate cars period" argument. It's sickening how illogical it is.

Let me pose you a question - since you love grinding away at the VC for hours, do you also enjoy getting stuck in a traffic jam for hours? They're both driving right? Think of it as an endurance race. No saves too, you're stuck in 0-5 mph bumper to bumper traffic for a good nonstop 5 hours straight. For someone who loves GT5, this must be a positive experience correct?

Or will you choose to be logical and admit that one can dislike parts without disliking the whole?

And you want to know why I got the X1? To drive and race it, since the game is about driving/racing and I like to drive/race. Especially the racing part. What else would I do with it? Put it on my mantle and gloat about? Drive it around in circles online because it's exclusive and do nothing with it because no one else has one? Well, doesn't that sound fun.
Like I said I may be wrong, I mentioned you 'seem' and included other people as well.
Why did I say you 'seem'? Well looking at just some of your posts in the GTP forums:
And this makes sense why? The level system is non sense. The "skills" required to earn about 99% of the cars in game include grinding and skipping days via license tests. One's A-Spec level is a meaningless number. A-Spec level 40 is no more deserving of an X1 than a level 0.
If you want to drive it, you shouldn't be forced to earn it. If you want to earn it, go ahead.
To be honest, I don't think you even need to consider the competition to find that GT is outdated in a lot of ways. The GT1 racing transmission is better than GT5. On a number of things, they've got backwards.
How long does it take to figure out a proper aerodynamics model where downforce causes drag?
How about brake temperature?
Is a tuneable ECU too far beyond imagination?
The graphics and physics have continually improved at least, but everything else has pretty much stagnated. And of the things that have consistently improved, I think that one has been given way too much attention (graphics).
Yes. Attack the problem not the symptoms.
Though if PD remains stubborn, the suggestion in the first post is a good idea for getting around the pointless credit limit.
Duping works better though.
People race each other, and they can't even get up to highways speed limits. Anything that moves can be raced.
There is no option in game for driving 20 hp cars on the road, even though that's the only place they were ever meant to go.
It wouldn't have been too difficult for PD to find some mountain roads to model instead of race tracks for us to cruise on with our GT convertibles like Astons and Mercedes at highway speeds through AI traffic.
They didn't do this though. They made a racing game instead.
It was in GT5P until people forced PD to remove it. I agree with the anti rubberbanders. There are better ways to make the AI better. My problems with it was the lack of consistency. I don't mind the AI having an advantage. They need one, but magic catch up is a bit silly.
I do not understand this mentality. Why is making money so important? Playing the game just to increase credits makes no sense at all. You should play the game race.
So no, Seasonals have no impact on A-Spec. The only way that Seasonals would make A-Spec redundant would be if every A-Spec event was a Seasonal.
Why do you need an incentive? Shouldn't the incentive be the enjoyment of driving, and not the increase of a % completion counter?
GT5 was by far the most tedious and time intensive when it comes to getting cars. The La Festa seasonal is the first thing that approaches GT2's Speed 12 grinding.
That's your fault. You can't complain about using the FGT to easy win when no one forced you to use the FGT. It's better without restrictions because it allows the largest amount of people to be satisfied.
Suggested restrictions are required though, since it's almost impossible to make the AI challenging.
I blame PD. They need a difficulty level. "They want to please casuals" is no excuse. They need qualification so that higher difficulty races are possible to win. They also need more laps because 3 lap racing is a joke.
This isn't a universal fact though. I could care less how rare something is. As a matter of fact, I prefer less rarity, so that you could actually race [against] these things.
I do respect peoples' desire for exclusivity, but it's clear that GT and perhaps any game can't try to compromise the issue. Separate modes are needed for separate interests. If the fanbase realizes this, and pushes this instead of arguing for only their desired arrangement for the game, it might become realistic that PD disposes of their outdated game design and pleases all parties.
Agreed
Modes where the player creates the experience are generally superior.
My idea for future GT is to do away with Arcade, put GT Mode on the side, and make Simulation Mode the main feature. No credits, no trophies, no points or score. Just the player, they player's 1000+ cars, and the ability to make any combination of tracks, AI cars, and online/split screen player cars.
As for current arcade mode, I don't like how it selects cars. Also, online is completely superior.
They are fun, but they're all horribly modeled. Some of them don't even have front downforce yet GT5 treats them like modern GT1 race cars.
Why is that bad? Serious question. There isn't really any negative consequence to that. While on the other hand, disallowing such a switch simply reduces the realism for the game. You can fit any engine into anything. Somethings just take more work.
Engine swap

to

Equals

I'm sick of credits. And all of you are probably sick of me saying that. But I'm sick of credits. Why are you going to force someone to grind some boring race 5 billion times just to have a nice car? If it's for "game balance", that should be up to the player. That's how it is right now. Anyone can start the game with the X1, just borrow it from someone. Veyron powered Minis aren't going to be very threatening.
But of course, in the unlikely event that PD comes to their senses and creates a game mode where driving comes first, then they can do whatever they want with GT Mode.
That's one of two things:
PD wasting time on something that doesn't need fixing.
PD wasting time fixing something because of bunch of people complain about it even though it doesn't really matter.
Quite honestly no one should care. Not PD, and not the people who don't glitch. I don't think it's fair to blame glitchers for other peoples' irrational behavior.
Who wouldn't? GT5 is severely lacking in content. How you play doesn't change that fact.
Of course it would take much longer to play the game as it was in 1.0 and without glitching, but it would also take a long time to play the game if you drove for 5 seconds every day. That's what PD did. They put out a game with almost nothing in it and then put a level system on it to make it look like it's full of things to do. The XP system deserves to be glitched.
I don't really get it either. The Platinum is a meaningless arbitrary achievement, so I don't get why you'd want it without following its rules. But to each their own. Also I didn't know that N24 hr didn't count toward game completion. It makes me even more confused. Either way, it's not something I'll have to deal with. If I ever decided that I wanted to do N24, I'd do it online.
Sure no game is 100% perfect, and comments/feedback will only bring about improvements (if heeded at the least).
My mistake for using the word 'hate'. But it sure does sound like you are very dissatisfied with many aspects of the game, or at least with PD to quite a certain degree.
No it still doesn't qualify as hating the game, one can dislike parts without disliking the whole. And you obviously proclaim to enjoy the game very much. Just saying what I previously felt from my observations or poor 'common sense'.

Also wrong assumptions there. Never said I "love grinding away at the VC for hours" and never did I proclaim "love for GT5". I just viewed the X1+gold times as a challenge, and gave it some effort until I reached gold.
Entirely different scenarios there. Your example of traffic jam, comparisons with driving, endurance races, and GT5 love is even more foolishly illogical.

But you're absolutely right I'm not very good at reading people.
I'm also not clever enough to cheat, then totally twisting my way into calling it not cheating, and finally expecting a congratulatory pat on the shoulder.
In addition, I'm also not bright enough to insult people, then outright calling it not insulting. Kudos to you for such manipulation. đź‘Ťđź‘Ť

And okay, so you glitched the challenges just to get the X1.
But couldn't you get the car via the borrow glitch? I mean weren't you doing that already (by the looks of your posts in borrow-glitch threads)? Or perhaps buying the car by reaching certain A/B-spec levels?
Isn't that much easier as compared to waiting or trying so hard to glitch? I'm just wondering here (serious question).

It would mean that the mods would be policing how people should play their games, which is insane. True cheating - which is clearly not well understood here - is inherently wrong. Those do get shut down. Glitching is not cheating or inherently harmful. It is completely legitimate - exactly as legitimate as doing the VC according to its rules. Closing threads on glitching is proof as biased behavior and lack of acceptance of differing opinions.

The multiple thread thing doesn't hold much water. There are many repeated threads. GTP is big, and there are only so many moderators. To ask for 100% flawless performance from them is too much.
You're clearly missing the point here.
No doubt GTP is big, and probably have only a handful of moderators. And no one expects 100% flawless performance from them (never even said this).
But allowing multiple cheat threads (relating to X1 challenge), each amounting up to more than 5 pages (surely they cannot have overlooked?), and quickly locking threads (also relating to X1 challenge, but just 1-2posts) out of jealousy - that somehow shows biased behavior to me (again just my view only).

Perhaps you don't even know what I'm referring to, because you didn't choose to comprehend the whole picture. But not blaming you here, so pls don't judge me. :bowdown:
I know you're not a mod, so you can't speak on their behalf. Nonetheless you're doing a great job. I'm sure the mods love you and hate me very much. đź‘Ť


Like I said before (if you even read my earlier posts here), whether you call it cheating, true cheating or even not cheating at all - please go ahead and cheat however you wish to.
And no it's not affecting anyone, never before said it is.
 
Blah blah blah.
You say its cheating. Fair comment Thats your opinion?
They say I have put so much into game I want gold no matter what. Thats there opinion?
End of story. Difference of opinions.
Now let people glitch the way they want an let people play the way they want regarding doing it legitimately.
All done.
Going back an forth over the same 2 opinions is a load of garbish.
Its just a case of letting everyone do what they want with there game.
NOT YOUR GAME.
Or should I come and seek advice next time I play ONE OF MY GAMES?
To be honest I wish a Moderator would close this has its nothing more than a bunch of kids at playtime going over an over the same thing.
I know everyone is entitled to there opinions but I have read them opinions over a dozen times and theres only 2, First cheat by glitching, second don,t cheat by glitching?
Chat soon bye for now.:)


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Sorry you have a different definition of cheating. The dictionary shows me this:
- Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination
- Deceive or trick
That's pretty much the definition of cheating. The same definition I use.

Sure you're not being dishonest to anyone, unfair to anyone or tricking anyone. You're just doing it to the game, you're cheating the game.
But that's the thing. You're not cheating anyone. You can't cheat the game. It's not a person. Cheating requires a victim.

If you're not being dishonest and you're not gaining an unfair advantage, you're not cheating.

You gained an advantage, in your case getting the X1.
What's the advantage in that? Single player can't be cheated. Online has car restrictions.
There's a reason what ppl call them (some even quoted me a couple of pages ago) cheat codes in those console/PC games. People using cheat codes aren't affecting anyone too right.
They're called cheat codes because misnomers exist.

Some people talk as if airfoils and wings are the same thing. They aren't. Cheat codes aren't always forms of cheating. Entering a cheat code that unlocks all GT5 cars isn't cheating. A cheat code that allows you to beat the AI with a button press isn't cheating. A cheat code that allows you to beat other players with a button press is cheating.

Most people even admitted openly that they already cheated by glitching VC. Are you that conceited to think otherwise.
Again, the word cheat is not being used properly.

Not saying they have anything to do with glitching VC. I did mention they're not video games.
Just saying they share a similar concept. Values like perseverance, dedication, or discipline come to mind.
I'm sure these principles mean something to you, but just not in GT5 or video games huh.
I do agree with the bold. The examples you presented are unrelated to anything else in this thread. Edison could not glitch the lightbulb. Edison also did not refrain from taking the easy way out. Any scientist will always look for the easiest way to do something. It might not seem that way, since a lot of things scientists do seem complex, but it's really the only logical way to do something. The glitches did as Edison did. They were presented a hardship and found a solution.

So doing it without glitch is not a proper way? Okay, we have to disagree here.
And compared to doing without glitch, the 'tough got going' considering it's the quickest and more effortless way to their goal? And furthermore should be commended too? Again we have to disagree.
Well I have to ask, what makes doing it without glitching proper? The rules for the VC are simply arbitrary rules established by PD. What if PD had made the rules such that getting bronze was good enough to get all three X1's. Would that not be proper since it was easier?

Also, was it not proper for PD to lower the bronze times?

The VC is arbitrary. There really can't be a proper way to do it. It's not like an online race where players may agree to go about things a certain way (ie no ramming). Dirty racing, as boring as it is, is no less proper than clean racing. Driving dirty or clear is just arbitrary rules.

As for it being the quickest and most effortless way to do something, that's how everyone gets what they wants. Including Edison and JK Rowling. Do you think the latter tried to make it hard for themselves? Why would they do that?

Why did I say you 'seem'? Well looking at just some of your posts in the GTP forums:
Post 1 - I comment how people should have unlimited access to X1. I clearly hate the level system, but nothing hints about disliking the game completely.

Post 2 - I believe that being brutally honest is the best way to keep the game's standards as high as possible. Anyone who says "the game is good enough" or "you're too greedy, be thankful for what you have" will only hurt the game as far as I'm concerned. I'm being more helpful to GT and PD than they are, because they are putting virtually no pressure on PD for making really, really silly mistakes. I honestly think the custom gear ratio thing is huge. It's not that complicated to figure out why GT1's is better, and it's baffling to consider why PD would purposely provide us with an inferior menu. If I didn't like the game why would I care to criticize it and provide suggestions for improvement?

Post 3 - This isn't really complaining or negative at all.

Post 4 - I actually defend some of the game's design until the last few lines [I blame PD...]. Also without seeing all the posts I quote in that post, it's probably hard to make sense out of it.

Post 5 - same as 3 pretty much

Post 6 -same as 3

Post 7 - I'm sick of credits. I want them removed because the game will benefit. However, based on PD's track record I find this unlikely. I'll still campaign for it though.

Post 8 - To be clear, the subject is A-Spec, as online is basically unlimited content. And I feel that it's completely true. A-Spec is a mess. Had I designed A-Spec, there would have been a lot more depth to it.

But it sure does sound like you are very dissatisfied with many aspects of the game, or at least with PD to quite a certain degree.
I am.
Your example of traffic jam, comparisons with driving, endurance races, and GT5 love is even more foolishly illogical.

Yes, the example clearly does not make sense. But it's the same line of thinking that makes people equate cheating with hating the game (and to be honest I really wanted to take a stab at people who were anti endurance race save, and their typical line "if you don't like driving, don't play the game".

But you're absolutely right I'm not very good at reading people.
I'm also not clever enough to cheat, then totally twisting my way into calling it not cheating, and finally expecting a congratulatory pat on the shoulder.
In addition, I'm also not bright enough to insult people, then outright calling it not insulting. Kudos to you for such manipulation. đź‘Ťđź‘Ť
You don't have to "cheat". That's up to the individual. But you shouldn't expect a pat on the shoulder for doing it "legit", nor should you consider yourself superior to people who disagree with you.

Also I don't insult people, if you feel that way I have to apologize for my wording. I can be blunt at times, but I feel that this often gets the message across as clearly as possible.

And okay, so you glitched the challenges just to get the X1.
But couldn't you get the car via the borrow glitch? I mean weren't you doing that already (by the looks of your posts in borrow-glitch threads)? Or perhaps buying the car by reaching certain A/B-spec levels?
Isn't that much easier as compared to waiting or trying so hard to glitch? I'm just wondering here (serious question).
My first X1 was acquired by bronzing VC in ~ December/January. I didn't want the others because I thought they only differed visually, but I found out that I was wrong and that the carbon had a variable transmission. I then traded for an X1 Carbon, found that someone put the rigidity mod on it, then golded the VC to get a stock Carbon. I never used the borrow glitch. Though I had also tried to get Blue X1 while it was tradeable since it's my preferred color, maybe I'll borrow glitch that. My current plan is to wait until I'm Level 40, then buy the Blue X1 with Remote Race money.

I'm still not level 40 A-Spec (39), and I never will be level 40 B-Spec. (20?) These options are inferior because of the sheer amount of time they take. They also don't get you the X1 Carbon.

You're clearly missing the point here.
No doubt GTP is big, and probably have only a handful of moderators. And no one expects 100% flawless performance from them (never even said this).
But allowing multiple cheat threads (relating to X1 challenge), each amounting up to more than 5 pages (surely they cannot have overlooked?), and quickly locking threads (also relating to X1 challenge, but just 1-2posts) out of jealousy - that somehow shows biased behavior to me (again just my view only).

Perhaps you don't even know what I'm referring to, because you didn't choose to comprehend the whole picture. But not blaming you here, so pls don't judge me. :bowdown:
I know you're not a mod, so you can't speak on their behalf. Nonetheless you're doing a great job. I'm sure the mods love you and hate me very much. đź‘Ť


Like I said before (if you even read my earlier posts here), whether you call it cheating, true cheating or even not cheating at all - please go ahead and cheat however you wish to.
And no it's not affecting anyone, never before said it is.

However many glitching threads there are, you can find a similar number of other repeated threads. Downforce Drafting threads were repeated at least 3 times unclosed. Threads for trading untradeable cars, best tires for certain cars, a few wishlists. I don't really want to go looking for them, but the glitch threads aren't really all that special.

I respect the mods because they are intelligent, knowledgeable, and fair (though if I were a mod, I would be the one with the least closed threads and banned members, I tend to disagree with them on those subjects). You have a different opinion.

OK, I'll call it what I wish. Just know that you calling it cheating doesn't make it cheating. You even just admitted it.
 
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You really can't "blame" PD, unless they did it intentionally. Mistakes are made. The glitches may be one such a mistake. It's a glitcher's choice to glitch or not.

Now what I think Sony should do is stop trying to pretend that trophies and preventing "cheating" are so important, and gives players an option. When a game starts up, give players to choice to play how they want, but at the cost of giving up trophies. If the player wants trophies, they get to start a new save along side their current one, and extra tight measures are used to prevent exploiting.

LBP sort of did this. You could copy someone else's save so you could skip the tedious developer made levels and jump into the level creator which was basically the point of the game, yet for some reason locked and restricted initially. If you did this, you lost trophies forever. I only regret not finding this before I manged to get a couple of LBP trophies.

Ok, maybe not "blame", but it's PD's fault at the first place, because they made the game, including the bugs. ;)

Glitcher blame list:

1.) PD, for creating a buggy game
2.) "Pro" glitchers, for finding the glitches & publishing them on youtube
3.) "Noob" glitchers, for using the glitches

Your idea is nice, but it doesn't fix the problem. :indiff:

They have to eliminate the disadvantage of the DS3 for the Vettel Challenge.
Maybe it's possible to detect the connected device, DS3 or wheel (like it's possible in the time trails online) & reducing the required lap times by 1 second per lap for the DS3 players.

Then it would be fair & actually doable for everyone (enough practice required). :dopey:đź‘Ť

I used the glitch for Suzuka and Nurburgring.

After spending an hour trying to glitch Monza, I gave up and and did it legit in an hour!

I couldn't care less if people glitch or not. If you have completed 99% of the game legitimately and then glitched for 1% that doesn't mean your some kind of evil cheater.

What I said, glitching Monza is somewhat of tricky, it's for the most easier & faster to do it legit. :sly:đź‘Ť


Duplicating cars, paints, horns & museum cards, a-Spec AutoPilot, the Permanent Borrow Glitch, ... it's all glitching!
But, is it stupid to use all game mechanics to archive your goals? Imo no. :sly:

Overall, glitching is just a other way to play the game. If you glitch offline, it doesn't affect anyones gameplay.

So, glitch the heck out of the game, but please don't do it in online races/time trails !!!
 
This still continue? I cant understand some things.

People can use the permanent borrow glitch and the License Glitch, but cant glitch the vettel? :sly::sly:

Its glitch anyway, its cheat. If you use the permanent borrow glitch and the License Glitch you are cheating to.
And another one, people pay the game, its their money, not yours and anybody can do what they want if they dont harm anyone. And using those glitchs, nobody its interfere with nobody because they arent online.

I thing this guys never cheated in school, never look at the exam of the partner... If you never do this, you are a priest!
 
What I understood from this thread (except those kilometric posts that not even god reads):
- People that don't glitch and mostly have wheels and have spent half a year doing the challenge just want to feel superior but actually just feel frustrated for having people that could made the challenge in half an hour, mostly using DS3, because they don't give a **** about a very badly designed challenge and have other things to do.
I congratulate the non-glitchers, but if the ones complaining about glitchers here have wheels, then you should know that with a DS3 is stupidly hard. Also, if you spent so much time in the challenge, why don't you just feel good with yourselfs, share your happiness and leave the other play the way they want?
I actually laughed...
I managed gold in Monza, silver in the 'Ring and bronze at Monza legitimely. All the other challenges are almost gold (I just don't care for now) so I think I deserve my own part of the cake.
Anyway, thanks for reading, this is my opinion and if you disagree, I don't care:P
 
A more reliable way to get through the barriers on Monza, should make it a tad easier:



Can someone confirm if the patch has plugged this glitch or not?
 
Nokkien
Can someone confirm if the patch has plugged this glitch or not?
Unfortunately it did. I tried to go out of the track at Suzuka, getting out was the same as before and took little effort. But almost immediately after getting out I was reset. So if anyone plans on using the glitch don't upgrade yet!
 
Suzuka is fixed for sure but it looks like you can still glitch Monza. I may be wrong but it didn't reset me right away like Suzuka. It reset after a while but I think I was just doing the line wrong.
 
Golded Vettel on 3 accounts check
Best time on Monza: 1.56.363 check
9 X2010s check

Time to patch the game. :D
 
Nokkien
Golded Vettel on 3 accounts check
Best time on Monza: 1.56.363 check
9 X2010s check

Time to patch the game. :D

You golded all three with glitches? Was this pre or post 1.11?
I was only able to do the Suzuka one but settled for bronze on the other 2 (I problabley saved at least 5 years of my life by not going for gold). I'll have to read all the new stuff in this thread and see how to do Monza and Nurburgring. Although it might take a while to sift through all the clutter that the haters littered this thread with...
 

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