ZedTunes' Autumn/Fall Rally Shootout 2011

praiano63 · Sep 16, 2011

VTiRoj
Rusty piece of *ahem*, yeah.

It's meant to be a secret until you release it praiano!

Secret?? why this?? Ok... late. But it's not very clear at first post. Also to tune the car.... Limit..?? i understand +- but i have to read several times.

Rusty piece of *ahem* is Piece rouillee not rouillees . Singular not plural.. OK , it was close 👍

VTiRoj · Sep 16, 2011

praiano63
Secret?? why this?? Ok... late. But it's not very clear at first post. Also to tune the car.... Limit..?? i understand +- but i have to read several times.

XDesperado67
Oh and how long are we supposed to keep what car we are tuning secret?

C-ZETA
Till you release it obviously

Also PM what car you have to C-ZETA so he can give you the limits to tune under. 👍

praiano63
Rusty piece of *ahem* is Piece rouillee not rouillees . Singular not plural.. OK , it was close 👍

I used Google Translate, I do beg my pard. :lol:

👍

praiano63 · Sep 16, 2011

One thing please. I never drive this Mt Aso or Toscane tarmac.... Alaska ??? Never see in this game. Only in the challenges. Where are they??
I know some Online.... But are we going to tune for ONLINE????

Explain me this please somebody, thanks.

VTiRoj · Sep 16, 2011

praiano63
One thing please. I never drive this Mt Aso or Toscane tarmac.... Alaska ??? Never see in this game. Only in the challenges. Where are they??
I know some Online.... But are we going to tune for ONLINE????

Explain me this please somebody, thanks.

They're courses made in the course creator.

I tuned offline since you can't take borrowed cars online. Not sure about anyone else.

CSLACR · Sep 16, 2011

I still need my specs...

praiano63 · Sep 16, 2011

Here is my tune for the shootout:

MINI COOPER S '05

Parts needed for the tune:
Weight reduction 3
Window weight reduction
No chassis reinforcement
Engine stage 3
ECU
Racing air filter
Sport intake manifold
Catalytic converter sport
Titanium racing exhaust
Supercharger

Characteristics:
power: 307 hp
weight: 1200 kg
perf. Points: 475 pp (101 KM) must go to 476 pp in a few

Transmission

Gear box:
Transmission how to process:
1- Select default
2- Select final gear at 2.871
3- Select top speed at 250 km/h =155 mph
4- Set each gear at this ratio:
1: 3.686
2: 2.793
3: 2.192
4: 1.773
5: 1.479
6: 1.272

It 'll give a top speed (above on the right) of 238 km/h = 148 mph

LSD Front 10/18/5

Suspensions settings:

Ride Height +45/+10

Spring Rate 09.0/07.7
Extension 5/4
Compression 4/8
Anti-roll bars 3/2
Camber 2.2/0.0
Toe -0.12/-0.05

Brake Balance 5/7

Tires: SPORT MEDIUM TIRES // DIRT TIRES // SNOW TIRES

OBSERVATIONS: Shift at 6800 rpm .

Enjoy.

C-ZETA · Sep 16, 2011

praiano63
Here is my tune for the shootout:

MINI COOPER S '05

Parts needed for the tune:
Weight reduction 3
Window weight reduction
No chassis reinforcement
Engine stage 3
ECU
Racing air filter
Sport intake manifold

Characteristics:
power: 235 hp
weight: 1004 kg
perf. Points: 449 pp (101 KM) must go to 450 pp in a few

Transmission

Gear box:
Transmission how to process:
1- Select default
2- Select final gear at 2.871
3- Select top speed at 250 km/h =155 mph
4- Set each gear at this ratio:
1: 3.686
2: 2.793
3: 2.192
4: 1.773
5: 1.479
6: 1.272

It 'll give a top speed (above on the right) of 238 km/h = 148 mph

LSD Front 10/18/5

Suspensions settings:

Ride Height +45/+20

Spring Rate 07.7/05.5
Extension 3/6
Compression 2/6
Anti-roll bars 1/2
Camber 1.5/0.0
Toe -0.12/-0.05

Brake Balance 3/7

Tires: SPORT MEDIUM TIRES // DIRT TIRES // SNOW TIRES

OBSERVATIONS: Shift at 5500 rpm .

Enjoy.

...I haven't given you specs yet...you've literally managed to completely miss a few points. However, since your tune is already out, I'll just give you the specs here...you need at most 300hp and at least 1230kg weight.

Since you missed the rule, I'll let you buy a new Mini Cooper '05 for this, in the same colour.

Onboy123 · Sep 16, 2011

VTiRoj
I'm more than "isn't quite so happy."

RKM Motorsports Piece rouillées de Merde

Tuner Comments:
Built and tuned for ZedTunes Autumn/Fall Rally Shootout 2011. Apologies to the judges in advance. You'll need to wash your hands of rust after handling this car.

Translate the name of this car from French to English and youll get a clear idea of what I think of this car.

If you find the car is making more than 90bhp, increase the engine limiter.

Haters' gonna hate, I love the MFT one though

But pre-200hp, it's just a french VW Beetle.

CyKosis1973 · Sep 16, 2011

Got it built far sooner than I thought I might. Build can be found here...

ZedTunes' Autumn/Fall Rally Shootout 2011

{Cy}

praiano63 · Sep 16, 2011

C-ZETA
...I haven't given you specs yet...you've literally managed to completely miss a few points. However, since your tune is already out, I'll just give you the specs here...you need at most 300hp and at least 1230kg weight.

Since you missed the rule, I'll let you buy a new Mini Cooper '05 for this, in the same colour.

Sorry i didn't see this part,now i see the number 7.
300hp / 1230 is 0.2439 hp per kg
235hp / 1004 is 0.2340 hp per kg
So it's very close and will change nothing in performance ,but can change the tune, why not let my tune like this ??

C-ZETA · Sep 16, 2011

praiano63
So it's very close and will change nothing in performance ,but can change the tune, why not let my tune like this ??

As in why not choosing the specs? Well I want to set a challenge for the tuners by making the cars they get in certain specs for the shootout, in your case with the Mini, the specs are identical to the new Countryman WRC, except I think the specs are a bit lower than the Countryman WRC, I can't remember if it can reach the power of the Countryman (320bhp I think?). However the weight is definitely reachable, the weight is actually 1200kg as opposed to 1230 like what I said, was using the specs of older WRC rally cars.

CyKosis1973
ZedTunes' Autumn/Fall Rally Shootout 2011

...Ahem. I see that weight number. Alas, getting another 206 will be...kinda hard, I do admit. You'll be in a bit of a tight spot now you haven't tuned your car correctly...

praiano63 · Sep 16, 2011

C-ZETA
As in why not choosing the specs? Well I want to set a challenge for the tuners by making the cars they get in certain specs for the shootout, in your case with the Mini, the specs are identical to the new Countryman WRC, except I think the specs are a bit lower than the Countryman WRC, I can't remember if it can reach the power of the Countryman (320bhp I think?). However the weight is definitely reachable, the weight is actually 1200kg as opposed to 1230 like what I said, was using the specs of older WRC rally cars.

Look ,i really don't understand what do you want to do. You want me to add weight and power in the same weight/power ratio than the actual i have ? To reach an old spec WRC rally cars ??? Really don't understand.
What will you compare with ?? And i have to look for another car because of this ? Same color the one you have sent ???
I don't think so. It's too complicate and i don't see where you want to go with this anyway.
I will not do another tune , without understanding clearly what is the purpose of this shootout. Or i'll stay out for this one.
Sorry but i need to understand.

Onboy123 · Sep 16, 2011

praiano63
Look ,i really don't understand what do you want to do. You want me to add weight and power in the same weight/power ratio than the actual i have ? To reach an old spec WRC rally cars ??? Really don't understand.
What will you compare with ?? And i have to look for another car because of this ? Same color the one you have sent ???
I don't think so. It's too complicate and i don't see where you want to go with this anyway.
I will not do another tune , without understanding clearly what is the purpose of this shootout. Or i'll stay out for this one.
Sorry but i need to understand.

C-ZETA is being a pedant. He wants your mini to have as close a spec sheet as you can get it to the WRC mini. That's 300hp and 1230kg. So just apply your tune to a maxed out mini with 1230kg!

XDesperado67 · Sep 16, 2011

C-ZETA
As in why not choosing the specs? Well I want to set a challenge for the tuners by making the cars they get in certain specs for the shootout, in your case with the Mini, the specs are identical to the new Countryman WRC, except I think the specs are a bit lower than the Countryman WRC, I can't remember if it can reach the power of the Countryman (320bhp I think?). However the weight is definitely reachable, the weight is actually 1200kg as opposed to 1230 like what I said, was using the specs of older WRC rally cars.

The '05 Mini Cooper can reach 321HP with the Supercharger on it. (Doesn't have the option of using turbochargers.)

C-ZETA · Sep 16, 2011

praiano63
Look ,i really don't understand what do you want to do. You want me to add weight and power in the same weight/power ratio than the actual i have ? To reach an old spec WRC rally cars ??? Really don't understand.
What will you compare with ?? And i have to look for another car because of this ? Same color the one you have sent ???
I don't think so. It's too complicate and i don't see where you want to go with this anyway.
I will not do another tune , without understanding clearly what is the purpose of this shootout. Or i'll stay out for this one.
Sorry but i need to understand.

I want you to follow certain specs for your cars to give you a challenge and to try and make some rally style replicas. Also, you do not have to follow the power and weight regulations exactly, just make sure you don't go over the max power or underweight. So in terms of power you were fine, just you were far too underweight with ~~no way to get it back.~~ read my edit actually.

I'm comparing with all the tuners here to see who makes the best rally car - which is why the winner is not based on speed alone. And you don't have to keep it the same colour at all really...but I want you to keep the same car. The idea of the shootout is to try and work with a car you don't know you'll be working with and tune it up for rallying, following set specs to make it a challenge for the entrants.

I do understand that it's complicated, and it is a wide difference over the previous three shootouts, but I just wanted to try something different. Plus, rally tuning hardly gets represented here in my eyes and tends to be left in the dark among other more specialised tuning methods.

Hope this gets the point across a little bit better.

EDIT: Actually...I've just remembered that since the Countryman is 1200 rather than 1230kg, you only need to give it a (quite frankly whopping) 196kg ballast and your car will be perfectly ready. Just hope you ain't sold it yet :sly:

VTiRoj · Sep 16, 2011

I think it's this whole "I'll PM you the specs" thing. Perhaps if all the specs were laid out on the first page there would be less confusion?

C-ZETA · Sep 16, 2011

VTiRoj
Perhaps if all the specs were laid out on the first page there would be less confusion?

But that gets rid of the secrecy thing since other tuners would know what the specs would be for the cars beforehand.

praiano63 · Sep 16, 2011

C-ZETA
I want you to follow certain specs for your cars to give you a challenge and to try and make some rally style replicas. Also, you do not have to follow the power and weight regulations exactly, just make sure you don't go over the max power or underweight. So in terms of power you were fine, just you were far too underweight with ~~no way to get it back.~~ read my edit actually.

I'm comparing with all the tuners here to see who makes the best rally car - which is why the winner is not based on speed alone. And you don't have to keep it the same colour at all really...but I want you to keep the same car. The idea of the shootout is to try and work with a car you don't know you'll be working with and tune it up for rallying, following set specs to make it a challenge for the entrants.

I do understand that it's complicated, and it is a wide difference over the previous three shootouts, but I just wanted to try something different. Plus, rally tuning hardly gets represented here in my eyes and tends to be left in the dark among other more specialised tuning methods.

Hope this gets the point across a little bit better.

EDIT: Actually...I've just remembered that since the Countryman is 1200 rather than 1230kg, you only need to give it a (quite frankly whopping) 196kg ballast and your car will be perfectly ready. Just hope you ain't sold it yet

Now i understand, if you speak to me like you speak to a kid, like Onboy do."He wants your mini to have as close a spec sheet as you can get it to the WRC mini." This is clear ! so i'll add some 194 ballast position 00 and it'll be ok. Of course i have not sold it. This is a very good car that have a very good place in my garage. Just need some online fine tuning later to publish it.

EDIT: to be really close to the old mini WRC it will be good to know at least the weight repartition of this car, and if i have to add some ballast , i can try to reach this weight repartition by the same way.

C-ZETA · Sep 16, 2011

praiano63
Now i understand, if you speak to me like you speak to a kid, like Onboy do."He wants your mini to have as close a spec sheet as you can get it to the WRC mini." This is clear ! so i'll add some 194 ballast position 00 and it'll be ok. Of course i have not sold it. This is a very good car that have a very good place in my garage. Just need some online fine tuning later to publish it.

EDIT: to be really close to the old mini WRC it will be good to know at least the weight repartition of this car, and if i have to add some ballast , i can try to reach this weight repartition by the same way.

Good to see it's been cleared up now. Also remember, 196 as opposed to 194 as 1198 is still underweight. Weight positioning does not matter, though putting in so much ballast will give you almost free command over your weight balance :lol:

Not sure of the weight balance for all of the individual cars though, I haven't found a website that goes into complete detail of specs.

Also I really do wish the old Mini was in the rally base ticket. Getting it to the specs of the old Monte Carlo Rally winners would be awesome to see someone tune at

praiano63 · Sep 16, 2011

C-ZETA
Good to see it's been cleared up now. Also remember, 196 as opposed to 194 as 1198 is still underweight. Weight positioning does not matter, though putting in so much ballast will give you almost free command over your weight balance Not sure of the weight balance for all of the individual cars though, I haven't found a website that goes into complete detail of specs.

Also I really do wish the old Mini was in the rally base ticket. Getting it to the specs of the old Monte Carlo Rally winners would be awesome to see someone tune at

MINI-Countryman-WRC

Engine
Configuration Straight 4
Location Front, transversely mounted
Displacement 1.599 liter / 97.6 cu in
Bore / Stroke 77.0 mm (3 in) / 85.8 mm (3.4 in)
Valvetrain 4 valves / cylinder, DOHC
Fuel feed Direct Fuel Injection
Aspiration Garrett Turbo
Power 310 bhp / 231 KW
Torque 420 Nm / 310 ft lbs
Red Line 8500 rpm
BHP/Liter 194 bhp / liter

Drivetrain
Chassis unitary steel
Suspension (fr/r) McPherson struts with Ohlins three-way adjustable dampers
Steering hydraulic power-assisted steering
Brakes ventilated AP Racing brakes, all-round
Gearbox XTrac 6 speed Sequential
Drive All wheel drive

Dimensions
Weight 1200 kilo / 2645.5 lbs
Length / Width / Height 4110 mm (161.8 in) / 1820 mm (71.7 in) / N/A

Performance figures
Power to weight 0.26 bhp / kg

1964 Austin Mini Cooper S Rally Specifications

engine Inline-4
position Front, Transverse
aspiration Natural
valvetrain Push-Rod Operatied OHV, 2 Valves per Cyl
fuel feed Twin SU Carburettors
displacement 1071 cc / 65.4 cu in
bore 70.6 mm / 2.78 in
stroke 68.28 mm / 2.69 in
compression 9.0:1
power 52.2 kw / 70.0 bhp @ 6200 rpm
hp per litre 65.36 bhp per litre
bhp/weight 123.46 bhp per weight
torque 84.06 nm / 62.0 ft lbs @ 4500 rpm
redline 6500
drive wheels Front Engine / FWD
body / frame Unit Steel
front brakes Solid Discs w/Power Assist
f brake size 191 mm / 7.5 in
rear brakes Drums w/Power Assist
r brake size 178 mm / 7.0 in
front wheels F 25.4 x 8.9 cm / 10.0 x 3.5 in
rear wheels R 25.4 x 8.9 cm / 10.0 x 3.5 in
steering Rack & Pinion
f suspension Track Control Arms w/Hyrolastic Suspension
r suspension Logitudinal Arms w/Hyrolastic Suspension
weight 567 kg / 1250 lbs
wheelbase 2032 mm / 80.0 in
front track 1341 mm / 52.8 in
rear track 1191 mm / 46.9 in
length 3124 mm / 123.0 in
width 1410 mm / 55.5 in
height 1346 mm / 53.0 in
transmission 4-Speed Manual
gear ratios 3.254:1, 1.948:1, 1.378:1, 1.0:1
final drive 3.7:1
top speed 160 kph / 99.4 mph
0 - 60 mph 13 seconds

CyKosis1973 · Sep 16, 2011

C-ZETA
...Ahem. I see that weight number. Alas, getting another 206 will be...kinda hard, I do admit. You'll be in a bit of a tight spot now you haven't tuned your car correctly...

Dude, that's why I asked :banghead:

So, you did want me to add 150kg to the stock weight. And I have to make do with not being able to make 300BHP??

I duped the ticket to my second account, so I can log on with that one and keep cycling until I get another one.

I think perhaps detailing the restrictions for each vehicle up front, might have avoided confusion. Max power output and Minimum weight, blah de blah. We could then have referred to the list without revealing to the audience what we got.

I know you've got your hands full, so don't sweat it, but you ought to go re-read your PMs and you might understand why I misunderstood about maximums and minimums :sly:

I'll go start copying my game save to and from a USB key...

{Cy}

C-ZETA · Sep 16, 2011

CyKosis1973
Dude, that's why I asked So, you did want me to add 150kg to the stock weight. And I have to make do with not being able to make 300BHP??

Oh wait, I meant that for power only, sorry :lol:

Should have said it earlier :dunce:

Also, can you not actually get to 300hp with the 206? If you can't I can let you instead follow the Group N specs for the 206, which is 177bhp/1125kg. However, even like that your current tune is just a little too light to be able to get it down to that.

EDIT: Also, the problem with putting down specs for every car is that no one actually knows every car that can be got from the ticket, so I can't really determine specs for all the cars straight away.

CyKosis1973 · Sep 16, 2011

C-ZETA
Oh wait, I meant that for power only, sorry Should have said it earlier Also, can you not actually get to 300hp with the 206? If you can't I can let you instead follow the Group N specs for the 206, which is 177bhp/1125kg. However, even like that your current tune is just a little too light to be able to get it down to that.

EDIT: Also, the problem with putting down specs for every car is that no one actually knows every car that can be got from the ticket, so I can't really determine specs for all the cars straight away.

It's ok dude, I should have applied some logic. I'm sore at myself for not having duped the car itself. I was in a bit of a panic about applying undoable things to it anyway. I'm cycling the ticket now, done it about a dozen times already.

I did do a quick tot up of the various components and I believe after everything being bolted on, it would hit 270BHP. I hadn't oiled it at that point, but I doubt it'll give me an extra 30BHP. Might be best to sitck it in the Group N specs. An exhaust and small turbo should get it to there nicely and I'd only have to add 40kg 👍

I've got a secondhand one with 13k on the clock, thus far untouched, I'm happy to use that...

{Cy}

VTiRoj · Sep 16, 2011

I wish I duped my ticket now. Not to cheat my car choice, but so I'd be able to tune a proper car after finishing the Rusty POS. :indiff:

Onboy123 · Sep 16, 2011

VTiRoj
I wish I duped my ticket now. Not to cheat my car choice, but so I'd be able to tune a proper car after finishing the Rusty POS.

HATERS GONNA HATE, HATERS GONNA HATE! :lol:

It's just a french VW Beetle, give it to MFT, they turn it into a 200hp hornetor something :lol:

It does drive quite nicely after you give it something to drive the wheels with.

VTiRoj · Sep 16, 2011

Onboy123
HATERS GONNA HATE, HATERS GONNA HATE! It's just a french VW Beetle, give it to MFT, they turn it into a 200hp hornetor something It does drive quite nicely after you give it something to drive the wheels with.

That's hardly following the rules of the shootout though.

C-ZETA · Sep 16, 2011

CyKosis1973
I've got a secondhand one with 13k on the clock, thus far untouched, I'm happy to use that...

Yeah, you can use that. If anything since you already did the tune you'd be better just keeping the original colour though. Even though you didn't like it

Onboy123 · Sep 16, 2011

VTiRoj
That's hardly following the rules of the shootout though.

I meant AFTER the shootout! :lol:

just give it a chance, it's a nice car to drive, unlike a Beetle or something...speaking of which...Hate review of crappy cars coming to G.T.R soon :lol:

[/shameless plug]

C-ZETA · Sep 16, 2011

Onboy123
It's a nice car to drive, unlike a Beetle or something...speaking of which...Hate review of crappy cars coming to G.T.R soon [/shameless plug]

The old Beetle actually is not bad to drive at all when fully modded. I have had a Schwimmwagen, SambaBus, Kubelwagen, Karmann, Beetle and Golf I all fully modified up and they are all actually pretty good to drive. And troll with

VTiRoj · Sep 16, 2011

Onboy123
I meant AFTER the shootout! just give it a chance, it's a nice car to drive, unlike a Beetle or something...speaking of which...Hate review of crappy cars coming to G.T.R soon [/shameless plug]

After dealing with the other Alpine already, no thanks. :yuck:

At least the Beetle doesn't pretend to be a sports car when it clearly isn't.

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