Manhunt in SoCal, suspect is surrounded in a cabin, two officers down.

G.T.Ace

I have to throw this in, serious question at everyone who argues like Ridox:
Are you supporting Texas' and Florida's laws, that you are allowed to shoot anyone who's 'invading' your 'land' without any trial following?

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When Brian Bentley joined the LAPD, he explains that it during the time that personnel complaints were not taken.

He remembers trying to make a complaint to his captain about the racism he experienced and was told, ‘I’ve been on the job for 35 years, you don’t think I know there’s racism. Who do you want me to bring it to? The deputy chief or the chief are just as racist?’ and then proceeded to kick him out of his office.

When asked if he thought the Department had changed since he was a part of it, Brian said no.

Diversity training for officers not just in how to deal with the community that they serve but with the officers they work with is part of what’s needed he says.

“Even though officers today can file personnel complaints—look at what happens,” he says referring to Christopher Dorner. “There are clearly flaws in the system and Dorner is just one example of something that African-American officers have been experiencing for decades in the LAPD.”

Brian said that he’s still in close contact with friends who are LAPD officers and he says that he knows for a fact that it’s still a bad environment for African-American officers.

Sadly he recalls the experience of three of his fellow officers who also had similar manifesto’s to Christopher Dorner’s, two Black officers and one white female officer, who instead of acting on their manifesto committed suicide. Something that Brian says is common amongst officers who are terminated and believe the Department has wronged them.

When asked if he believed the claims made in the Dorner manifesto, Brian is very clear.

“Not only do I believe it, but I lived it.”

After writing his book, Brian says that he was the subject of an investigation that was led by two officers profiled in his book that had been promoted to Sergeant and transferred to the Internal Affairs department.

Several interrogations later, including one that lasted 7 hours, Brian says that he was given a charge of misconduct for every incident of racism that he documented in his book that he didn’t report—thus giving him the most charges of misconduct in the history of the LAPD.

So why write the book?

Brian says that what was happening everyday in South Los Angeles at the hands of LAPD officers was wrong and he knew it was wrong. He felt that he needed to write about it and that what was happening needed to be exposed. He didn’t think he’d be fired for writing the book, reprimanded maybe, but not fired.

14 years later, today Brian Bentley is a father of three and fully invested in his children’s lives. He’s written a second a book, a novel entitled Honor With Integrity: A Journey Behind the Blue Line.

He’s closely monitoring the Dorner situation and hoping for a peaceful end for a man whom he says that while he doesn’t condone the killings, he can definitely understand his frustration.

For this ex-police officer, he has hopes that through Christopher Dorner’s manifesto that a real conversation can take place in Los Angeles about LAPD’s internal policies as well as the racism that still exists in the Department.

On whether or not the LAPD is capable of investigating itself, Brian doesn’t believe that it is possible.

“We’ve seen what happens when the LAPD investigates the LAPD.”

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"We gonna go forward with the plan, with the bomb, .... like what we talked about .."

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Ridox2JZGTE

A condensed version of the police radio conversation :

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Wardez

What bothers me isn't that they set the thing on fire to get him out, they can do whatever the hell they want, they're cops, not soldiers. The big deal is that, yet again, they decide to straight up lie to the public about how the fire started, they refuse to change in the slightest, even with the biggest of spotlights are held right on them.

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Keef

I hope Dorner is perfectly fine, making his way through the woods to the next place.

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Johnnypenso

Sure are a lot of assumptions in there. If they did find schematics, a blind assumption on your part, how would that tell them anything except the basic structure of the building? How would knowing the basic structure of the building help them in any way other than to know where the rooms were? Since they obviously had no plans to storm the cabin and you can plainly see from the outside it's a wood structure, of what benefit would the plans be?

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Barra333

Sorry I can't give a source, but I think I read something that the owners of the cabin gave authorities a detailed description of the cabin layout.

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G.T.Ace

Are you supporting Texas' and Florida's laws, that you are allowed to shoot anyone who's 'invading' your 'land' without any trial following?

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Johnnypenso

Maybe I am missing something, and I believe you, but how would that help them? The obviously had no intent to enter the building, they smashed and burned it down and you can clearly hear what I assume are cops yelling, " burn it down"

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Pupik

We have trials for that in Florida, thank you. Please don't misquote laws you aren't fully aware nor knowledgeable of.

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II-zOoLoGy-II

Don't know who told you that...

But if you think you can just shoot someone and the cops are just like "okay man; you're good" you're highly mistaken.

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hogger129

I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but why didn't they take him alive?

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G.T.Ace

All right, I apolozige for Florida.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/In_Texas_can_you_shoot_someone_for_stepping_on_your_property

I've heard that police call mentioned.
No trial, no charge, nothing, just a short investigation.

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prisonermonkeys

How do you know that taking him alive was an option? He was, after all, armed, and was reported to be shooting at police shortly before they mounted their assault. Putting aside his history with the department and the accusations he levelled at them for the moment, just about every police force in the world will shoot back if they have an armed suspect firing at them during a stand-off.

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G.T.Ace

Deadly force wasn't justified in this case (example) at all.

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Johnnypenso

How can you so blatantly ignore facts? It's amazing really.

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Putting aside his history with the department and the accusations he levelled at them for the moment, just about every police force in the world will shoot back if they have an armed suspect firing at them during a stand-off.

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prisonermonkeys

The suspect had a gun. He had made it known that he was going to target police officers. He had already killed two, and injured two more. He was firing at officers from the cabin shortly before the assault.

What would it take for lethal force to be justified in this case?

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prisonermonkeys

Read my post again. I was talking in general terms:

If this was just some guy with a gun holed up in a cabin in the woods who decided to start shooting at police, then of course the police would shoot back.

I'm just saying that using extreme tactics doesn't prove that the police made no effort to take the suspect alive.

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G.T.Ace

Deadly force wasn't justified in this case (example) at all.

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to derail this discussion.
I've just read some comments about how wrong it is, that the police shot instead of trying to take him in to custody (which I find completely stupid to even think), from people who defend this law in Texas for example. I would just like to read some more thoughts about this.

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