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2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion
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It goes quickly, makes noise. I'd put up with it's quirks (stupid chrome bezels which are annoying on a sunny day, axle hop) except that the door is enormous, I have to sit up front like an old lady to see, and I have to crawl up and off out if there's any cars parked next to me. That's a deal-breaker (although, not a problem [to me] that's exclusive to the Mustang, to be fair).
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Of course it looks big. It's got camo all over it.
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No more Shelby models? Might go back to Cobra badging...
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/06/10/next-svt-mustang-may-axe-shelby-name-go-naturally-aspirated/
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/06/10/next-svt-mustang-may-axe-shelby-name-go-naturally-aspirated/
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I don't know, but I'll admit, even though I'm not fan of American cars, I'm really impressed with the engine in the GT500. The power they got from that engine is incredible, and so I figure that they won't have too much trouble making power. Also, they Coyote apparently breathes very well, so the potential is there.
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Umm, no. I don't think you have an idea of how expensive it can be to re-engineer stuff, especially the large, structural or high load/stress area changes needed to meet your desired weight drop.
Even without a significant change in size, of course the weight drop is possible. But how much do you want to spend on a base one? How much can you convince 83,000 other people to pay each year (roughly 2012 sales figures)? Would you pay $100k for one?
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It's a much better motor than the Modular ever was, but out of a 5.0 liter I still have to question how much power Ford would attempt to get out of it to justify the higher cost that will come from being an SVT if the "regular" one will already have 450. I think it's unrealistic to expect Ford to make a Mustang with the power delivery of a Ferrari V8 even if the engine could do it.
I mean... 5.8 is 351 cubic inches, so there's the selling point; and making it a bit bigger gives it a lot more room for power and torque. Assuming the 5.8 engine is a Coyote I think 550 or something to that effect would be well enough away from the standard Mustang to be good.
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The 5.8L in the GT500 now is the newer, aluminum block version.
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I posted that on the last page.
It's not hard to change the material something is made out of. Aftermarket proves that.
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How many aftermarket VR6 engine blocks do you know of that are made of aluminum? How many aftermarket aluminum parts can you get for a Fox body that is a structural element?
And, again, Ford just introduced a new engine that is much lighter and smaller than the last one. How (and why) are they going to introduce on that is even lighter than that?
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A cosmetic carbon fiber hood already costs a lot more to make than a pressed steel hood, is labor-intensive, and hard to mass manufacture to proper specifications. The more time workers spend aligning, tweaking and shaving down parts to adjust for inaccuracies in hand laid parts, the more the car will cost. And the cosmetic stuff doesn't weigh much less for the same strength.
A proper carbon fiber part that actually weighs significantly less than steel costs a whole mint.
If it were easy to do carbon, everyone would be doing it. Instead, you only get hand-laid carbon as expensive trim, or as non-stressed panels on expensive GTs... And carbon fiber structural elements only on very expensive cars.
Aluminum? They already use it. And even VAG, one of the pioneers in the field, is switching back to high-strength steel. Mazda gets a lot of its weight savings from the boron steel it shares with Ford.
An aluminum body would cost a lot for little benefit. The new steels are just as light, and more durable. Better yet, they can be more easily welded to the softer steel used elsewhere in the car than aluminum... The trouble of mixing aluminum and steel construction negates some of the weight savings you get with it. It's better limiting its use to suspension and engine parts.
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Oh, and a 2,700 lb V8 Stang? Not happening. Not as long as the Mustang is a GT car. If it were a two seater, maybe, but it would cost a lot.
A proper carbon fiber part that actually weighs significantly less than steel costs a whole mint.
If it were easy to do carbon, everyone would be doing it. Instead, you only get hand-laid carbon as expensive trim, or as non-stressed panels on expensive GTs... And carbon fiber structural elements only on very expensive cars.
Aluminum? They already use it. And even VAG, one of the pioneers in the field, is switching back to high-strength steel. Mazda gets a lot of its weight savings from the boron steel it shares with Ford.
An aluminum body would cost a lot for little benefit. The new steels are just as light, and more durable. Better yet, they can be more easily welded to the softer steel used elsewhere in the car than aluminum... The trouble of mixing aluminum and steel construction negates some of the weight savings you get with it. It's better limiting its use to suspension and engine parts.
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Oh, and a 2,700 lb V8 Stang? Not happening. Not as long as the Mustang is a GT car. If it were a two seater, maybe, but it would cost a lot.
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There was no 5.0 in 2010.
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Well you get the point of a few years ago. Regardless of what year it was introduced I don't really care, hence why I said "ish" at the end of the year.
Also I thought wrong, no new 5.0 was iron. I keep getting confused with 4.6L's
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We all know why. But it's all good.
Can't wait to see the final reveal. Blurry shots of clay models hasn't been anywhere near as satisfying as you would think.
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I suppose at this point, why doesn't Ford really try to make a true 2-seat sports car, with a different label? Obviously, it wouldn't be a "Mustang", and they're probably never going to make a GT40-type vehicle again, so why not?
Oh yeah, it's because they rarely turn a profit. Hasn't stopped General Motors, and it's barely stopped Chrysler. Ford's stuck trying to make a diamond out of a piece of granite, but the laws of physics say no.
Of course, somehow this idea might wind up being another Ford Probe. But hell, they're making a Fiesta ST...
Oh yeah, it's because they rarely turn a profit. Hasn't stopped General Motors, and it's barely stopped Chrysler. Ford's stuck trying to make a diamond out of a piece of granite, but the laws of physics say no.
Of course, somehow this idea might wind up being another Ford Probe. But hell, they're making a Fiesta ST...
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GM's Solstice/Sky twins weighed 2,900 lbs with the four-pot, had no trunk space, no spare tire and stupid cupholders. I really wish they would produce the Code 130R, but I doubt they will. A small 2+2 130R with a turbo 1.4 or 2.0 would be the bee's knees. Market it properly (as a baby Camaro...) and you could extend the halo of your sports car sub-brand downwards and have a "lifestyle" model that you can sell for a premium in Europe or Asia... a high-spec 130R to go against BMW and Audi under the Cadillac brand.
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Ford sees no profit in a two-seat sports car. In Europe and the rest of the world, they're already known for producing hot Fiestas and Focuses, this would simply be working extra hard to get the same customers and cannibalize Focus ST sales.
Toyota has no such problems with the 86, since it's the only overtly sporty thing they sell.
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Ford sees no profit in a two-seat sports car. In Europe and the rest of the world, they're already known for producing hot Fiestas and Focuses, this would simply be working extra hard to get the same customers and cannibalize Focus ST sales.
Toyota has no such problems with the 86, since it's the only overtly sporty thing they sell.
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Foxes had a 3100 lb curb weight, according to at least one site I found. They weren't all that light. Comparable to the nearest competitor (Camaro/Firebird), but significantly heavier than, say, the E30 BMW and not even in the same ballpark as a really light car like an early Miata or some of the other sporty Japanese cars of the day.
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E30 M3's were just shy of 3000 if memory serves. For a Mustang to be that close while housing a V8 definitely makes it worthy of "light" status.
And mentioning the Miata makes no sense at all. Comparable Japanese cars of the time weighed around 3000 as well. According to Wikipedia the Supra of the time weighed more than the Fox.
Ford doesn't. And I'm not talking about clones. I'm talking about another bloody retro reboot.
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I have a Shelby dealership (more like a building) in the town near me that has them and Eleanors (that's not for sale though, it was a movie car) that you can go and buy brand spanking new off the production line, none clone, even new VIN numbered car and when you sign the paper there is a big fat FORD logo at the top of the page (I know this because I know several people that own 289 variations and one with a 427, Cobras are very popular around here). Ford owns the Shelby name now, Shelby is no longer a private coporation. So yes, yes they do.
I'm not sure what they are doing in there now though, not much in the place except for a giant 12 foot SHELL gas sign and some other stuff. Theres pictures on Google maps though with a Cobra in the window.
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There's a big fat Ford logo because the cars all use Ford blocks....
The cars are still registered as Shelby American vehicles, however. If Ford owned the company as you say, Shelby wouldn't be patenting their GT40 replica as a "Shelby GT40".
http://shelbyamerican.com/gt40.asp
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