B-Spec in GT5

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Did a search and didn't find anything on this so thought i would post.

It doesn't seem like it has been confirmed to be in GT5 so i'm hoping that it's not!

I think all races should be completed by the player and just get rid of B-Spec all together.

You might say, oh but what about the boring championships or the 24hour races. Well if you don't feel like doing them, then don't do them :dunce:

So you might reply, oh but then i cant fully complete the game. To which i would say, if you are playing the game just to complete it you need to go outside, and meet real people.
 
B-Spec is a good thing and it should be rewamped and upgraded - which will be if it make into game.

What is wrong with B-Spec exactly? And be VERY careful when answering in order not to go into PURE SUBJECTIVE TERRITORY.

Being AGAINST any option that can do good for some type of players is so goddamn irritating these days.
 
GT5_Veyron
What a pointless thread...
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How? Because I don't like B-Spec mode, and i think people should race the races? I don't see how that's pointless...

amar212
B-Spec is a good thing and it should be rewamped and upgraded - which will be if it make into game.

Being AGAINST any option that can do good for some type of players is so goddamn irritating these days.
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Amar, i like your contributions to this site, your invaluable.

However, remember, you are intitled to your opinion as i am to mine.

Also, B-Spec in my opinion leads to laziness and missing out on the GT experience.

IF B-Spec is included i would like to see an significant advantage given for completing it in A-Spec at the very least
 
amar212
B-Spec is a good thing and it should be rewamped and upgraded - which will be if it make into game.

What is wrong with B-Spec exactly? And be VERY careful when answering in order not to go into PURE SUBJECTIVE TERRITORY.

Being AGAINST any option that can do good for some type of players is so goddamn irritating these days.
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Good point. More features that work for all types of players is nothing but better for the game.
cicohipe
Amar, i like your contributions to this site, your invaluable.

However, remember, you are intitled to your opinion as i am to mine.

Also, B-Spec in my opinion leads to laziness and missing out on the GT experience.

IF B-Spec is included i would like to see an significant advantage given for completing it in A-Spec at the very least
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But this is a good rebuttal. For the people that really want to achieve these tough goals should be rewarded for there efforts. Special addition cars, Platinum trophy, etc.
 
Why not have a Forza 2 style B-spec? You choose a level of driving skill, and the better B-spec Bob is, the more money you have to pay to have him race for you.
 
amar212
If you were 30+, had a job, wife, kids, family obligations and such you would fully understand my point.
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I'm afraid I don't. Honestly, if you have young kids and don't get alot of time to play, i still fail to see any reason for this mode.

It's not like Final Fantasy has a "B-Spec" mode where your character will just complete the game for you.

If you don't have the time to be dedicated to a game like this and complete it, then i don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

And besides, everyone i know (and i do know alot of busy people) at some point over the space of a month could find the time to do these sorts of races if they wanted to badly enough
 
cicohipe
Also, B-Spec in my opinion leads to laziness and missing out on the GT experience.

IF B-Spec is included i would like to see an significant advantage given for completing it in A-Spec at the very least
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In order to win with the BSpec guy, you often needed a much faster car to win than what you'd need if you drove yourself. Thats plenty of incentive. But come on, you really want to FORCE people to run 24 hour races? That was the best thing about B Spec; I could do the enduro races, then stop driving when I felt like it and swap to B Spec guy, fast forward the time, and get it done.
 
cicohipe
I'm afraid I don't. Honestly, if you have young kids and don't get alot of time to play, i still fail to see any reason for this mode.

It's not like Final Fantasy has a "B-Spec" mode where your character will just complete the game for you.

If you don't have the time to be dedicated to a game like this and complete it, then i don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

And besides, everyone i know (and i do know alot of busy people) at some point over the space of a month could find the time to do these sorts of races if they wanted to badly enough
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Umm having a family and job is probably the best reason to have B-Spec. That and school.

Not everyone can sit and do a 24 hour race in one sit through. And not many people are too keen on leaving a PS3 on for a long, long time eating away in the energy bill. That is if a save feature isn't possible during pit stops.
 
kingcars
In order to win with the BSpec guy, you often needed a much faster car to win than what you'd need if you drove yourself. Thats plenty of incentive. But come on, you really want to FORCE people to run 24 hour races? That was the best thing about B Spec; I could do the enduro races, then stop driving when I felt like it and swap to B Spec guy, fast forward the time, and get it done.
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I don't think you understand the meaning of incentive. An incentive is like a reward.

Your dead right about 24hr races being totally out of reach in terms of current ways of doing them.

I know this isn't going to be a popular vote, but why have a 24hr race if no one does them and just uses bspec in fast forward?

Am i the only one seeing the complete stupidity in this.

It's like people want 24hour races just to say.. oooo look gt4.. gt5 has 24hour races.. what does forza have. But it's not like your ever going to complete a 24hour race.

No one would ever do it in real life (i know some people attempted it at le mans, but i think the last person who did crashed).

Also to play for that length of time straight, infront of your tv screen is a health hazard.
 
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I've used Bspec once, to complete a 24hr endurance race, I did the first couple of hours then Bob took over, the only think I found annoying was the fact that he wasn't bright enough to understand the fuel guage !!!

On another note, and this just occurred to me, would he be any good for helping tune a car? I mean, he's a computer right? what better candidate to judge whether a setting is an improvement or not? Instead of me doing four or five laps to find out.
 
First few things about B-Spec Mode - not about how wes used for grinding the cars and game, but how was concieved:

From official source:

"In the winter of 1997, the original Gran Turismo changed the history of racing games. This year, Gran Turismo 4 will cause another revolution to the world of racing games. Gran Turismo was the pioneer for introducing a new playing style by allowing players to spend just as much time watching and enjoy replays of their performance as racing.

Gran Turismo 4's new Director Mode (or B-Spec) is based on the premise of playing through the replay view angle only. A "Racing RPG" so to speak, B-Spec = Director Mode introduces the "Gran Turismo that players don't drive". In B-Spec = Director Mode, the game proceeds in the replay view point (Broadcast view) from the start of the race. GT4 includes the traditional experience where players participate and drive for themselves, referred to as A-spec. But this time, players will also have the option to be the director or race team manager of their race, and not have to worry about driving (as B-spec).

B-Spec = Director Mode brings a new experience to racing games, in which players driving themselves has previously been the standard. In B-spec, players give directions, taking on the role of a race team manager, giving directions to their A.I. driver and competing in their races. This mode can be applied to all of the races available in GT4, and does not standalone as a game mode by itself. Players can complete all of the races included in GT Mode by using B-Spec = Director Mode, without driving themselves at all. Players who had difficulty in racing can now take the option of carefully preparing their car for a race, sharing the excellence and exhilarating excitement of racing in a whole new style of racing games. That is what B-Spec = Director Mode is all about."

Of course, B-Spec couldn't be used for 2 types of races - License Tests and Mission Races, by logical presumption that both are somewhat required to be done in A-Spec and because of somewhat "elitist" nature of both modes.

IMHO B-Spec is a great addition to the world of Gran Turismo. I have never managed to get perfect 9999 - 100/100/100 score on my Bob, but I was close.

In order to make him being in more than 7500 - 90/90/90 class you had to drive many, many races and find ways to improve his score.

From the very first days of GT4 and B-Spec I saw it not only as potential tool for people who does not have so much time to drive, but as tool for time when online will come into play.

Just imagine some kind of "next-gen" B-Spec where he would be a true "AI", with 50 or more fields of evolving.

And than imagine that B-Spec AI players can be dueled over internet in real "manager" races for money and prizes in Endurance battles. Than imagine few B-Spec AI players that drive for the same "Team" managed via 2 or more human players in online.

Possibilities are endless.

Looking on B-Spec as only a tool for "lazy" players is so wrong. I understand that you may think it is not "true" driving but if you have had spent more times wiith B-Spec mode in GT4 than maybe you'd better understand it's sheer beauty.

Driving 20-laps races and enjoying on graphics, sounds and perfectly executed live-replay while being nervous all the time managing pace, pit-stops and everything because of the race outcome is one of the greatest experiences in racing genere so far.
 
Amar that's crap mate. Simple as that.

If B-Spec mode was actually used like what they stated then it might be different.

But it's definitely not a race manager mode, or a driving rpg (wtf?).

If you have played GT4 extensively then you will know this mode is used primarily in one way. And that is as follows:

Get crazy fast car
Start race and set to full fast foward
Come back when completed to race next race/claim prize

EDIT: If they remove fast foward and truelly move more towards what you are talking about in the bottom of your post than that could be interesting i agree but it would have to change ALOT and i am talking about B-Spec only in it's current form as such speculation is at best a guess.
 
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^Why does it bother you that there is B-Spec? You don't have to use, but it's another thing to say it shouldn't be there when others can use it to great advantage.
 
I think all cicohipe is trying to get across is not to fully eliminate it, but to give a very rewarding incentive to fully complete an incredible challenge of doing an Endo completely in A-Spec mode.
 
Oh...I hope Cicohipe doesn't feel like I'm attacking him. His idea of an incentive is a good idea then. I'm sure PD thought about it.
 
sumbrownkid
^Why does it bother you that there is B-Spec? You don't have to use, but it's another thing to say it shouldn't be there when others can use it to great advantage.
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Why? Well.. as already stated i believe it takes away from the GT experience.

What i mean by this is, i think of B-Spec mode as having cheats on in a game.

It's like taking the easy way out, and your not made to work for the win. (Other than getting a fast enough car which is really easy)

I personally found after i started using B-Spec mode in GT4, it was hard to go back to normal racing and then before i knew it i had lost most of my interest in GT4 all together because B-Spec mode took all the fun out of racing, but using A-Spec mode all of a sudden seemed to long and boring.

Schmo
I think all cicohipe is trying to get across is not to fully eliminate it, but to give a very rewarding incentive to fully complete an incredible challenge of doing an Endo completely in A-Spec mode.
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Im opposed to B-Spec mode in it's current form. To be honest i wasn't expecting such negative responses from most people but there have been some positive/constructive comments coming through too.

I would like to see B-Spec mode changed to more like what PD stated in Amar's post, but in it's current form i would rather see it scraped all together
 
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I think B-Spec will stay but with changes to make it more "intelligent" (I hope) and perhaps more challenging than to just put them on 3 and go at it.

There should be more options like telling the driver to make the decision themselves to change to wets (if weather were implemented) or to either gamble on fuel loads or take it easy.
 
Everybody's wanting realism, B-Spec on 24 hour races gives you that!, drivers typically do 2 to 3 hour stints. GT4 lacked a progress save when you went into the pits, therefore left you with few options, sit there a race for 24 hours or pause the game and hope the power doesn't go out or use B-Spec Bob to fill in. I prefer to race the complete race, but only do that if I have a progress save. The longer endurance races are the only ones I would use B-Spec.:)
 
amar212
If you were 30+, had a job, wife, kids, family obligations and such you would fully understand my point.
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If you were 17, had to go to school, sports activities (tennis in my case), family obligations, no kids or future (:sly:), cicohipe would understand that.
Sorry for copying, but I hope you'll forgive me.

But there's the beauty of B-Spec. If you don't want to use it, you think it's non "old-school", you always have the choice to use it or not. And if you don't you get A-Spec points. So I really don't see the point here.

For example, I have a brother who is also a, let's say gamer.
He's younger so I always have to let him play, because he's younger.
I start an endurance race at 8 PM. How do *ell am I supposed to finish it by 1 PM tommorrow?
And I have to study.
I can't do it on the weekends because of tennis practices.
Do you have the answer maybe?
 
When there is optional gameplay, as was B-spec than there is nothing to worry about. Its optional, you use it or you don't, its all in the users choice. Its like saying why does it have option to play the game with traction control or brake control, wouldn't that take away from the game, (if viewed from a hardcore racer viewpoint). But the reality is that a game has to cater to more than just the hardcore. Some will find running the actual 24 hours cool, others will not. Some will have the time to do it, and others wont.
As long as the game has the options, well be fine.
 
cicohipe
I'm afraid I don't. Honestly, if you have young kids and don't get alot of time to play, i still fail to see any reason for this mode.

It's not like Final Fantasy has a "B-Spec" mode where your character will just complete the game for you.
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What people fail to acknowledge most of the time is that it doesn't mean you're going to win the race. First of all, you need to have a B-spec driver with good experience. At the standard driving level speed (3), it's hard to make much ground, and while it improves with 4 and 5, the driver makes errors and can end up in a sandtrap if he's going too fast for his own good.

Just look at the 24 hour races. I played the first 30 minutes or so of the second one and got a minute + lead and put it on B-spec. I stayed for 15 minutes to see if my lead was deteriorating or not and it seemed okay, so I left it. When I came back several hours later I was in 3rd or 4th place, well over a minute behind the leader. If you watch the driver, even on pace 3 and usually 4, he will drive into the sandtraps every once in a while and make other errors. It's not that simple to win races unless you have a far superior car. The difficult races pretty much can't be won with B-Spec.

B-spec is definitely needed if 24 hour races are going to be included. The simple "then don't play them" phrase is ridiculous to say since a lot of people want to complete the game. If they don't have the time to play for 24 hours, then they have B-spec. If you don't want it, then don't use it! Simple as that. You have no worries, so stop whining.
 
cicohipe
So you might reply, oh but then i cant fully complete the game. To which i would say, if you are playing the game just to complete it you need to go outside, and meet real people.
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Isn't completing the game the point of a game?💡


Also, not sure if you realize but in real endurance races they use multiple drivers(at least 2 sometimes 3-4), so B-Spec is kind of like that other driver(s). Although I have only used it on the 24hour races.
 
cicohipe
I'm afraid I don't. Honestly, if you have young kids and don't get alot of time to play, i still fail to see any reason for this mode.

It's not like Final Fantasy has a "B-Spec" mode where your character will just complete the game for you.

If you don't have the time to be dedicated to a game like this and complete it, then i don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

And besides, everyone i know (and i do know alot of busy people) at some point over the space of a month could find the time to do these sorts of races if they wanted to badly enough
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One machine, 3 kids wanting to play FF 83/84/85 or Naruto Ultimat Ninja and you are trying to do a 24hr race. Unless you can save at pits it's not going to happen.:crazy: Honey don't let the kids touch my game for a week. Oh, and I'll go sleep in the gararge.
 
cicohipe
So you might reply, oh but then i cant fully complete the game. To which i would say, if you are playing the game just to complete it you need to go outside, and meet real people.
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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

If you are so bothered about how and why other people play through their games that you feel compelled to create a thread about it, it is YOU who needs to go outside and meet real people.
 
Nomino
If you are so bothered about how and why other people play through their games that you feel compelled to create a thread about it, it is YOU who needs to go outside and meet real people.
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I don't understand why cicohipe is so bothered by b-spec. Who cares if you play casually or hardcore? At least B-spec mode offers a choice in gameplay. Play the game how YOU want, but don't knock others by calling the lazy for enjoying a game differently than you do.

I'd understand cicohipe's grip if GT4 had an online trophy system, but it doesn't.

Like Schmo said, Hopefully GT5 issues a trophy for completing endurance races in a-spec. Maybe then cicohipe would get the recognition for the hard work he puts into the game. :)

Amar, I don't have kids but I totally understand your point.
 

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