B-Spec in GT5

[bevo]

i wish they would give the option that when you start your career you could disable b spec for that career. I really don't like using it, but if I'm able to I will. IT really kinda ruined gt4 for me because when I didn't have time I would just b spec them. I missed alot of the game because of that. I don't want them to take it out, but I would like to be able to turn it off to where I can't use it during my career. I'm very weak when tempted to take the easy route sometimes.

 

[albteman015]

In gt4 I used b-spec to tune my cars. The AI was more consistent then I was so whenever I made a change to the car It would be easier for me to notice. One I got the car to go as fast as it possibly can I drove it and adjusted it for my driving style. I did use it for the 24 hour races and the couple of them that were 7 or 8 hours because I could not stay in front of the tv for those periods of time and that I could not keep my ps2 on for weeks at a time. So I do want it back just not in the way gt4 had it implemented. It should be more refined per say you could have radio communications with Bob about lap times, when to enter the pits or the pace he should be doing instead of the boring 12345.

I understand your point but I don't agree with it. Say you in an online even competing against some drivers that use b-spec very often. You would be able to beat them because of their lack of a-spec experience and you will feel good about yourself for taking the time to get better and better while other take the short way around.

 

[Rob192005]

B-Spec is a good thing and it should be rewamped and upgraded - which will be if it make into game.

What is wrong with B-Spec exactly? And be VERY careful when answering in order not to go into PURE SUBJECTIVE TERRITORY.

Being AGAINST any option that can do good for some type of players is so goddamn irritating these days.

I agree with amar here, just because B spec may be there it doesnt mean you have to use it:idea: but some people will find it useful .

 

[TheDabbinDave]

No way, B-spec is a money making machine! My guess, and it's pretty obvious, even GT3 was to have a B-spec version.

 

[dancardesigner]

Did a search and didn't find anything on this so thought i would post.

It doesn't seem like it has been confirmed to be in GT5 so i'm hoping that it's not!

I think all races should be completed by the player and just get rid of B-Spec all together.

You might say, oh but what about the boring championships or the 24hour races. Well if you don't feel like doing them, then don't do them

So you might reply, oh but then i cant fully complete the game. To which i would say, if you are playing the game just to complete it you need to go outside, and meet real people.

To which i would reply. You know what, screw GT5 all together. Get educated, get a decent paying job, buy a fast car and do some track days.

 

[sumbrownkid]

^Ah reality...the ultimate simulator.

 

[1800SSS]

There's no point in complaining about a feature you don't have to use.

 

[FLASH48]

i wish they would give the option that when you start your career you could disable b spec for that career. I really don't like using it, but if I'm able to I will. IT really kinda ruined gt4 for me because when I didn't have time I would just b spec them. I missed alot of the game because of that. I don't want them to take it out, but I would like to be able to turn it off to where I can't use it during my career. I'm very weak when tempted to take the easy route sometimes.

I agree with bevo, i was also weak when it came time for the long races. I like bevo's idea for your career. One mode you can use b-spec Bob, or the mode you can't. I also would like to save game in the pits. And then be able race other shorter races!

 

[Dracwolley]

Everyone wants Gran Turismo 5 to be released as soon as possible, so we asked ourselves how we could get the game to market while still providing the features that people are expecting. The solution is to eliminate A-Spec mode while expanding the features and level of control in B-Spec mode. Since the game does not have to process the driving physics or account for the player’s actions, we can dedicate more processing power to the visual environment and vehicle damage modelling. I have always wanted to create an RPG, and this is my chance to do it with an automotive twist.”

Screencap:

SOURCE: https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-b-spec-mode-only/

Yeah, it was a while ago, but it's still funny.

👍 to Jordan

 

[TheDabbinDave]

Amar that's crap mate. Simple as that.

If B-Spec mode was actually used like what they stated then it might be different.

But it's definitely not a race manager mode, or a driving rpg (wtf?).

If you have played GT4 extensively then you will know this mode is used primarily in one way. And that is as follows:

Get crazy fast car
Start race and set to full fast foward
Come back when completed to race next race/claim prize

EDIT: If they remove fast foward and truelly move more towards what you are talking about in the bottom of your post than that could be interesting i agree but it would have to change ALOT and i am talking about B-Spec only in it's current form as such speculation is at best a guess.

Wow, you're really reaching ain'cha. You don't want to race B-spec, DON'T. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back dude. You asked what we think. We are telling you what we think. One in particular (sewing seeds of what's to come) is giving very eye opening uses for it, and you throw dog feces in his face? WTF is your problem?

 

[reece22345]

Wow, you're really reaching ain'cha. You don't want to race B-spec, DON'T. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back dude. You asked what we think. We are telling you what we think. One in particular (sewing seeds of what's to come) is giving very eye opening uses for it, and you throw dog feces in his face? WTF is your problem?

I think that's a slight exaggeration. He wasn't exactly throwing dog faeces at amar. He was just saying how the intended use of B-Spec is actually not how it's used by the majority of players.

You really need to tone down your posts.

 

[chrisbroughton]

If there is no save option during races, I don't think there should be any 24h races. Simple. They're too long and people will just leave the PS3 on instead of saving which is expensive and irresponsible.

Also if there is a save option nobody will be forced to use B-spec to complete the game (and get the most out of it)

But I think B-Spec should still be in for those who enjoy using it.

 

[RoadRunner99]

As well as other guys here, I am married and I have babies...It's a complete different world..
B-Spec is a great game mode in my opinion and, personally, I don't think it hurt anyone, if you don't like it just skip it (as simple as that).
I hope they will keep SPEC B, possibly improving it.

Gran Turismo 4 had different game modes so that everyone could choose his flavor; it would be a pity to exclude some of them.

 

[ASH32]

Well first of all you obviously didn't search hard enough.
Should B-Spec be in GT5?
While you are correct that it hasn't been announced yet whether GT5 will support B-Spec or not, so that isn't answered in this thread, there is discussion on whether or not people would like it in and a poll for people to vote in, so you might want to take a look in there aswell to find out what people think.

 

[steve30x]

Amar that's crap mate. Simple as that.

If B-Spec mode was actually used like what they stated then it might be different.

But it's definitely not a race manager mode, or a driving rpg (wtf?).

If you have played GT4 extensively then you will know this mode is used primarily in one way. And that is as follows:

Get crazy fast car
Start race and set to full fast foward
Come back when completed to race next race/claim prize

EDIT: If they remove fast foward and truelly move more towards what you are talking about in the bottom of your post than that could be interesting i agree but it would have to change ALOT and i am talking about B-Spec only in it's current form as such speculation is at best a guess.

Wow someone or something must have crapped in your food. You have a serious hatred for B-Spec there. I cant see what the problem is when your not forced to use it anyway.

If its not possible to save my game in a 24 hour race and I am forced to play a 24 hour race alone then I will skip that race. B-Spec is great for the 24 hour races. I used B-Spec in the 24 hour races but every once in a while I took over for an hour.

 

[the Interceptor]

I understand the problem with B-Spec. It was made to be a race manager mode, but it was mainly used as an autopilot for long races. Thus, why not refine it for GT5 and make it more attractive for to-be Ross Brawns and less attractive for the lazy crowd?

 

[cicohipe]

i wish they would give the option that when you start your career you could disable b spec for that career. I really don't like using it, but if I'm able to I will. IT really kinda ruined gt4 for me because when I didn't have time I would just b spec them. I missed alot of the game because of that. I don't want them to take it out, but I would like to be able to turn it off to where I can't use it during my career. I'm very weak when tempted to take the easy route sometimes.

Yes and this is exactly what i was getting at, it's far too easy to simply race the majority of the championships in B-Spec to get the money, etc.

But you have to ask yourself the question, why have championship mode so huge that everyone gets bored with all the repetition. I think B-Spec is more of a band-aid fix for a flawed career mode that at the surface is fun but after spending many, many hours racing it becomes extremely repetitive.

To which i would reply. You know what, screw GT5 all together. Get educated, get a decent paying job, buy a fast car and do some track days.

Get the best education in the world, and you will still be LUCKY at best to get cars that are available in this game. Most people will simply never get the opportunity to own a Bugatti Veyron, or a Ferrari FXX, F1 Car, etc, etc, etc... Games have there place. They are also very accessible, where dedicating time to a track car takes a lot of time.

I think that's a slight exaggeration. He wasn't exactly throwing dog faeces at amar. He was just saying how the intended use of B-Spec is actually not how it's used by the majority of players.

You really need to tone down your posts.

Thanks, yes i was not at all having a go at Amar, i was stating that the Quote from PD was a load of bollocks.


Just to clarify with everyone, i am in no way angry or worked up about B-Spec mode or anything. I simply posted to get peoples opinion to have an open discussion, I'm sorry if people have taken offense in anyway it was not intentional and i haven't meant to direct any comments at anyone in particular.

 

[Rage Racer]

I think B-Spec should be included, but the developers should stimulate player not to use it all the time. For example, it would be a good idea if the B-Spec driver will get tired sometimes and take a percentage of the winnings.

 

[Emet_PL]

There should be B-Spec, especially if there are 24h races. One thing is the lack of free time... second is that PS3 wouldn't survive 24h non-stop racing (you wouldn't either xD).
In real life 24h race there always 2 or 3 drivers for one car, so no one have to drive for full 24 hours.

 

[Raybrig100]

As well as other guys here, I am married and I have babies...It's a complete different world..
B-Spec is a great game mode in my opinion and, personally, I don't think it hurt anyone, if you don't like it just skip it (as simple as that).
I hope they will keep SPEC B, possibly improving it.

Gran Turismo 4 had different game modes so that everyone could choose his flavor; it would be a pity to exclude some of them.

You just saved me typing this!! 👍 +1

 

[snowgt]

If you have played GT4 extensively then you will know this mode is used primarily in one way. And that is as follows:

Get crazy fast car
Start race and set to full fast foward
Come back when completed to race next race/claim prize

Ah, and you don't think a lot of people did EXACTLY that to win most races in A-Spec Mode, i.e. take a vastly superior car to win the race easily? If you're concerned about people getting rewards too easily, it's not a question of A-Spec vs B-Spec, it's a thing like the PP-system that was missing. Definitely not a B-Spec problem.

I personally found after i started using B-Spec mode in GT4, it was hard to go back to normal racing and then before i knew it i had lost most of my interest in GT4 all together because B-Spec mode took all the fun out of racing, but using A-Spec mode all of a sudden seemed to long and boring.

So you're complaining about your personal lack of enthusiasm after playing in B-Spec Mode? That's hardly the game's or B-Spec Mode's fault, now is it?

Also, B-Spec in my opinion leads to laziness and missing out on the GT experience.

Rrrrright. And watching movies leads also to laziness and is ruining real life for people. That's why we have to abolish them! You should become a religious leader. Same reasoning there.

Seriously, mate. Think about what you're saying. Just because you didn't like it, nobody should have it...?

There were quite a number of things that can be imporived for B-Spec, e.g. especially Bob's prowess in keeping the car on the road on anything higher then a "3"-setting. I think what they should do, is simply make Bob go slower with less experience. I think the AI improved enough in the meantime to accomplish that (and make Bob stay on track most of the time).

 

[L_Hamilton]

Well first of all you obviously didn't search hard enough.
Should B-Spec be in GT5?
While you are correct that it hasn't been announced yet whether GT5 will support B-Spec or not, so that isn't answered in this thread, there is discussion on whether or not people would like it in and a poll for people to vote in, so you might want to take a look in there aswell to find out what people think.

But it's been there for every GT cover so far. Why not the newest, most revolutionizing title yet?

 

[thesuperfunk]

I understand the problem with B-Spec. It was made to be a race manager mode, but it was mainly used as an autopilot for long races.

Spot on 👍 ... I dont think it was a very well thought out idea in the first place - certainly didn't live upto their hype.

I wouldn't mind losing the feature provided we are given the option to save (via pitstops perhaps?) ... I'm not sure I'd trust Bob with the new physics, damage and whatnot!

 

[seanchump]

I would have been so pissed off if I had to actually drive the entire 24hrs of lemans in gt4. My ps2 would have been on for a week and a half.

 

[sumbrownkid]

There should be B-Spec, especially if there are 24h races. One thing is the lack of free time... second is that PS3 wouldn't survive 24h non-stop racing (you wouldn't either xD).
In real life 24h race there always 2 or 3 drivers for one car, so no one have to drive for full 24 hours.

I PS3 can survive a 24 hour non-stop race, actually even more. But it's not prudent to do so as it can wear out the fans further and pump up the energy bill for those who have to nickel and dime.

 

[Confi-User-3]

That there is a B-Spec mode in GT4 never disturbed me. If you don't need it, don't use it. But if you want to do a 24h race it's a good thing. But I would prefer a "race save mode" like in 24h of Le Mans, no-one can drive 24h in one turn, only if you eat liquids and you're drinking a dozen Red Bulls during the race.

 

[vannardini]

There's a simple way to get rid of that problem, cicohipe:
Just don't use B-Spec, or did it annoy THAT much that I got my Formula Gran Turismo running less than 6 hours of a 24 hours Endurance Race?

 

[sumbrownkid]

All right guys let's not jump on cicohipe. He didn't want to get a rise out of you guys, he just wanted an opinion.

 

[Lain]

B-spec in GT4 was simplistic and flawed. I'd like to see an improved version, but also I'd prefer to see B-spec scrapped rather than see the GT4 B-spec return.

That being said, I think it would be awesome if there was a mod where a player could manage another player. One player races without any artificial HUD except a simple display indicating general directions being given to him by the manager, such as pace, pit, etc. The player playing as manager tells the driver how fast he should be going, suggest when to pit, and also has a lot more information at his disposal (map of track, other racer's positions, etc) which he can feed to the driver with a microphone.

 

[amar212]

That being said, I think it would be awesome if there was a mod where a player could manage another player. One player races without any artificial HUD except a simple display indicating general directions being given to him by the manager, such as pace, pit, etc. The player playing as manager tells the driver how fast he should be going, suggest when to pit, and also has a lot more information at his disposal (map of track, other racer's positions, etc) which he can feed to the driver with a microphone.

Let's call it a C-Spec. And it is most constructive idea related to GT5 wish in last 6 months. 👍