B-Spec in GT5

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I think that I read somewhere in all the new information that the sim world mode could be played as either "A"-spec or "B"-spec. With "B"-spec races having more laps compared to "A"-spec. Not sure if that means that the two modes are completly separate. Also not sure if the race events are identical between the two modes with "B"-spec just having more laps per race. I think their intent is to have the two modes separate. I am okay with that but they better have a save mode in "A"-spec for races that are 25 laps or more. The "B"-spec will be cool since on the longer races you can manage more than one driver meaning that you will be required to change "B"-spec drivers after a certain amoount of time. It would be even better is for instance certain "B"-spec drivers gain skill points for lack of a better word for having more time in a specific car class, certain track, or race class. It would be also cool if you could hire/fire "B"-spec drivers from a pool of "B"-spec drivers that others have let go etc. Then maybe game years later you hire that "B"-spec driver back etc. Lots of possibilities for deep game play and long ways to actually having a race team.
 
To be honest i dont like the b-spec mode, seems such a waste of time, i dont mind the inclusion of it per se, options are good but the time that PD used in this could have been used to copy the vinnyl editor of Forza (like other game have done it), i think is much more important, especially for the community, because its touch the whole community instead of just a few (like this mode), have you seen races in other games? 90% of the cars on the track are painted and its especially nice when those are racing replicas.

I never liked this mode in GT4, if im not driving id prefer just hire a driver to race instead of me so i can come back in an hour or two to pick my money.

I hope this b-spec mode appeals more than just a small number of users to justify the inclusion in the game instead other features.
 
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Peter, Dr. Ullrich and Henri Pescarolo and other Le Mans team managers aren't crazy when they stay up 32+ hours straight for the race watching over their cars ala B-spec

Paladin, the day a GT online race is 90% full of cars painted with skulls or matrix code is the day the series lost its class and taste

B-Spec is huge in the eyes of Kaz. He even wanted to release Gran Turismo 3 B-Spec. After his Nurb 24 experience he wants to give us a taste of sharing the car with others. Remember now you need 3 b-spec drivers for 24 hr races in GT5
 
Well if it has the RPG element in it i hope we can see some cheesy theme like driving for pride or driving to win someones heart or your family or vengeance or for money to get rich and popular
 
Earth
Peter, Dr. Ullrich and Henri Pescarolo and other Le Mans team managers aren't crazy when they stay up 32+ hours straight for the race watching over their cars ala B-spec

Paladin, the day a GT online race is 90% full of cars painted with skulls or matrix code is the day the series lost its class and taste

B-Spec is huge in the eyes of Kaz. He even wanted to release Gran Turismo 3 B-Spec. After his Nurb 24 experience he wants to give us a taste of sharing the car with others. Remember now you need 3 b-spec drivers for 24 hr races in GT5
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Its going to happen sooner o later, like it or not, and you are just looking at the bad side, racing replicas are awesome.
 
It would be cool if you could use B-Spec for online. It would be great for 24hr racing online as well. You could be driving and have your friend helping you from the pits throughout the race and then when the time comes go into the pits and switch positions.
 
I didnot have a chance to dig through the 5+ pages of posts in this thread on B-spec.

I have a couple of questions:

How many pilots (minimum - maximum) can be managed in B-spec?

I would like to able to have my team race against other teams. Is there an online component to B-spec?

thanks!
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Patrocles
I didnot have a chance to dig through the 5+ pages of posts in this thread on B-spec.

I have a couple of questions:

How many pilots (minimum - maximum) can be managed in B-spec?

I would like to able to have my team race against other teams. Is there an online component to B-spec?

thanks!
:)
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I think its 4 drivers per endurance race, with 16 cars/teams.

No ONline B spec yet.
 
Patrocles
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How many pilots (minimum - maximum) can be managed in B-spec?
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Supposedly, you can recruit up to 6 drivers for B-Spec mode.

Patrocles
I would like to able to have my team race against other teams. Is there an online component to B-spec?

thanks!
:)
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A screen-shot released (actually a mock-up) looks to be depicting exactly this.

EDIT: :lol: conflicting opinions. I'll have a rummage for the goods...
 
Griffith500
Supposedly, you can recruit up to 6 drivers for B-Spec mode.



A screen-shot released (actually a mock-up) looks to be depicting exactly this.

EDIT: :lol: conflicting opinions. I'll have a rummage for the goods...
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6 I thought Kaz mention 4. Cool 6 is better.
 
Maybe you can have 6 b-spec drivers in your "stable", but only 4 are allowed to race at once?

I'm pretty sure Kaz said for 24 hour races its you and 3 AI drivers. 6 is way too much even for a 24 hour race. That would be ultra lazy. Back in the day they only had 1 or 2 drivers
 
Here is the B-Spec mock-up:
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This was in context with other screens that had the same grape-derived PSN IDs in the "my lobby" section, including chat.

And 6 was mentioned here, but you were also right! :)

Your B-Spec counterpart this time round is not one driver, but a whole squad of them. You can train only one to start with, but eventually you can have a stable of up to 6 B-Spec drivers at once – with four of them required to run a 24 hour race.
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Earth
I'm pretty sure Kaz said for 24 hour races its you and 3 AI drivers. 6 is way too much even for a 24 hour race. That would be ultra lazy. Back in the day they only had 1 or 2 drivers
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For LeMans a 3 man team should do, but the Nurb is IMO much more demanding even in less powerful cars, so 4 is about right 3 2-hour stints each.

The B-Spec Bobs (or whatever you choose to name them) will even have different characters that will affect their performance, an aggressive driver will ignore instructions (see: Damon speech bubble) if they are fatigued\aggravated, they will take more chances and risks.

Still no word on Multi-Class races, its essential for LeMans and Nurb 24h, of course an Oreca Viper will never beat a 908, but it can win 1st in its class, we shouldn't be penalized for using non-LMP cars.

Or at the very least have seperate LMP 24h and LMGT 24h.
 
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Note the "OK" speech bubble from Damon at the bottom :)
Might be some feedback from the drivers in this bubble

You need 6 drivers now, because the have long term fatigue, so you won't be using the same set of drivers all the time, and it allows for a bit of lineup strategy
 
CoolColJ
Note the "OK" speech bubble from Damon at the bottom :)
Might be some feedback from the drivers in this bubble

You need 6 drivers now , because the have long term fatigue, so you won't be using the same set of drivers all the time, and it allows for a bit of lineup strategy
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Yes, Kaz mentioned that they will listen to your commands or reject them. Lets say you tell them to take it easy, they might say no and keep pushing the car to the limits. It's pretty cool since all drivers will have some personalities.l
 
Earth
Maybe you can have 6 b-spec drivers in your "stable", but only 4 are allowed to race at once?

I'm pretty sure Kaz said for 24 hour races its you and 3 AI drivers. 6 is way too much even for a 24 hour race. That would be ultra lazy. Back in the day they only had 1 or 2 drivers
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Or you could have 2 ( or more in some races ) cars race at once as a team seeing that B-spec promises to be more fully fledged this time around compared to GT4 with a completely separate game-mode.
 
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Or you could have 2 ( or more in some races ) cars race at once as a team seeing that B-spec promises to be more fully fledged this time around compared to GT4 with a completely separate game-mode.
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That would rock, somewhat. I shan't get my hopes up, though (not out of pessimism / cynicism; just because I want to avoid disappointing myself).
 
Griffith500
That would rock, somewhat. I shan't get my hopes up, though (not out of pessimism / cynicism; just because I want to avoid disappointing myself).
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Well Kaz mentioned it would be more like a team manager style game, racing teams in general consist of more than one car ( at least the bigger teams ) so I don't think it's that far-fetched to conceive of with 6 Bob's being available.
But you're right in saying it's just purely speculative ofcourse.
 
MeechShrykull
B-Spec should be unlocked with a cheat or something, not the proper way to finish the game.
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Do people even read all the news these days....?

B-Spec is a completely new separate mode in GT5. It's like a Racing team manager RPG of sorts now.
You can "finish" the game in A-Spec mode or you can "finish" it in B-Spec mode, the choice is up to you
There is a button on the main screen that you choose to enter A-Spec or B-Spec mode.
It doesn't look like they will be mixed together like in GT4

In the B spec mode, you are the director of a racing team. You will not be driving yourself, but will be nurturing an AI (Artificial Intelligence) driver, with the aim of securing victory by giving directions to the driver during races.

The B spec mode which first appeared in "Gran Turismo 4" has evolved to the next level, creating another facet of "Gran Turismo 5" that you could call a "Racing RPG".

The AI driver who appears in the B spec mode will have an ability gauge, condition, and personality, which will change as they participate in numerous races. Depending on the condition of the driver, they may not always listen to your directions as the team director. You will need to have a very different temperament to when you are behind the wheel yourself.
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As a major feature for GT5, Yamauchi mentioned that the game gives equal billing to A Spec and B Spec modes. In the previous GT, B Spec was included as an experimental component. In GT5, however, both A Spec and B Spec modes can be played from start to finish. They're both full experiences. The race categories and other areas are basically the same between the two.

"Basically" the same, but not identical. There are some differences. A certain race in A spec will be three laps, while the same race in B spec will be 15 minutes. The reason for such differences is that B spec is meant to be a mode where players can enjoy strategy.

Yamauchi feels that GT5 makes clearer the difference between A spec and B spec. Both have been built up as individual games.

For B spec mode, the driver growth component has been made more detailed. GT5 adds in elements of driver personality, physical strength and mental strength. Drivers may get tired during long drives and becoming more mistake prone. Driver management has become more important for GT5.

So why did Yamauchi and crew want to make B spec into a true mode with GT5? Explained Yamauchi, GT5's user base consists of two types of players, those who have great skills, and those who simply like cars and races but aren't particularly good at gaming. The team wanted to deal with the problem of only some players being successful at the game. Making it so that players of all levels can enjoy the game in the same way requires some extremely tough balance on the development team's part. The B spec specification is one answer to this issue.

B spec is not just a mode meant to help beginners, of course. Yamauchi pointed out that only B spec gives players the feeling being a team leader and raising a driver while enjoying the occasional happening.

He also noted that you can have multiple drivers on your team. This can be useful for long races, as you can switch out drivers.
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Indeed in the GT Home section, B-Spec and A-Spec are centrally-placed with equally-sized icons. Your B-Spec counterpart this time round is not one driver, but a whole squad of them. You can train only one to start with, but eventually you can have a stable of up to 6 B-Spec drivers at once – with four of them required to run a 24 hour race. Each driver has their own personality, from the ultra-calm to the hot-head and how they drive can be affected by current emotional state and mental and physical exhaustion
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Zonda_Guy
Hopefully there will be an online portion.
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I remember rumblings of an online b-spec these last 5 years. If its not in at launch no doubt there will be an update for it.

What abot 3 bspec drivers helping you in an online 24 hour race. You start your bspec driver while most start the race themselves. They are faster then AI so you fall one lap down early, 11th place. 6 hours in its your turn. This time the AI is racing for them. Your faster so you get your lap back and hand the car over to a bspec driver 30 seconds behind the leader.

You go to sleep. 6 hours later its your turn again. The race is 14 hours in. Theres starting to be light at Le Mans but the sun hasnt risen. Your still in second, 2 minutes behind. 1 hour into your stint it starts raining. You pit for rain tires asap. Your human competitor in the lead orders thebspec driver to stay out on slicks and hope the rain stops. It doesnt and the bspec driver crashes the lead car, going straight off at arnage. You cruise to a win.

Of course this can be done 100% bspec
 
Zonda_Guy
Hopefully there will be an online portion.
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I agree and it makes sense 100%.

I can even presume that it would even become very popular in later stages of the game-life when everybody unlocks everything and try to search additional challenges.

Idea of having 16-field of B-Spec drivers in the Endurance race where you know there are 15 other real-life-people sitting somewhere worldwide and waiting for the start in order to win by their strategic choices, set-ups and usage of mind over matter - is just beautiful.
 
They could make it so you could help your friends on the track. It would be great for 24hr races because your gonna want to switch drivers like in a real 24hr race so for example you could be in a-spec and your friend can be in b-spec and after X hours you can switch positions.
 

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