Save the Ring

I rode this new in Spanish and have been searching this to post it here

It's a very serious thing it could happen to the ring and as GT fans we should care this monument
Save The Nürburgring!

Save The Nürburgring!Germany's Nürburgring is the world's automotive playground. A public park for gearheads. Sadly, it's been handed over to privateers who've put the entire 'Ring at risk. Michael Frison of 20832.com explains why we need to save the Nürburgring! — Ed.

You might be surprised by reading this headline and I'm aware the subject has not gained much awareness abroad, but there's currently a serious threat to the Nürburgring.

Since it's opening in 1927, the Nurburgring has been under complete public ownership and administration, but in May of this year the complete Nurburgring race track and park was rented out to two privateers (Kai Richter, Jörg Lindner). They have no motorsports background whatsoever, but are the driving forces behind the makeover, which includes the addition of a theme park with a new roller coaster that doesn't work, more hotel capacity than the area needs, a 3,000-seat event arena, and a shopping mall. Everything appears to be far too big and remains empty most of the time.

Save The Nürburgring!They promised private financing, but this soon turned out to be a fake. The Minister of Finance had to resign as a consequence. Despite lack of funding completion of the project continued.

The heavy burden now sitting on Nordschleife's shoulder is the debt of approximately 400 Million Euros, which seems completely unnecessary considering complete race tracks have been constructed for a fraction of this amount.

The issue is complex and has kept fans of the 'Ring busy, but I want to share with you what just happend last week: Nürburgring officials always claim a total of two million visitors per year, but in true Wikileaks style we got ahold of an older internal document (PDF) telling a different story. Promoters always engage in number polishing, but this is of different quality. It appears there's double bookkeeping for real vs. published visitors for all events held at the Ring. Have a look at the graph summarizing the figures:
Save The Nürburgring!
Who would dare to claim two million spectators while only 370,000 actually turned up? The Nürburgring did and they based the business plan of the new leisure park on these numbers.

You don't believe me? Ask Sabine next time you meet her. Several investigations have already been triggered by the Department of Public Prosecution, a governmental board of inquiry and the competition department of the European Commission.

And anyone who criticizes the current direction of the 'Ring is answered with force. Wilhelm Hahne — the oldest of the racing Hahne brothers (his brother Armin finished 6th last weekend at the track) — had his house searched in June of last year and as recent as last week received again a warning letter from the Nürburgring lawyers for speaking the truth.

Save The Nürburgring!It really hurts to get sucked into politics and to witness how they treat the heritage we all love. The worst that could happen is enthusiasts be forced to pay the price of a privateer's blunder in the form of higher prices or worse. Threats to the track include reduced maintenance of the track to reduce costs, less motorsports, and restrictions on small clubs running events in the area. Enthusiasts could also be required to book at the new hotels to race at the track.

Please spread the word if you care about Nordschleife and its heritage. Follow ringumbau.de (the documentary community site accompanying the development) and question the information shared by officials.

Michael Frison founded the 20832.com Nurburgring site 10 years ago (ever seen the red-and-white-N logo when at the 'Ring?). He's also the person behind the renn.tv movies (you have probably seen Hans Stuck / BMW M3 GTR / Nordschleife Onboard), and donated the engine/idea of the Gixxerkart. He wears a Che Geuvara T-Shirt when he drives the 'Ring.

http://jalopnik.com/5684589/save-the-nurburgring




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Well I have joined the facebook group 'savethering'

I will be watching this with great concern. I hope there is something that can be done.
 
Don't worry.. Hopefully they'll manage to find some money and pay back all the debts. Half a billion Euros isn't that small amount of money though :scared:
 
There is no way the German gov't lets Nurburgring fail. It's too epic.

Besides, let's assume it does fail, the bank forecloses (I assume that debt is owed to a bank). It sells the Nurburgring to the highest bidder, who I would assume, re-open the track.

So it isn't a tragedy unless it ends up in some scummy developers hands, who promptly demolishes the track to build condos.
 
Demolish 13 miles of track to build condos in rainy old Germany? :dopey:

All that will happen is the track will either be changed to public roads, like so many old circuits, or simply fall into dis-use and become over-grown like the old Hockenheim. Most likely the local authorities would try to change it to public roads, as I imagine it would make access in the area far, far easier.

I doubt it will go under however. If Donington can save itself, the "Green Hell" sure can. Especially considering the track's value to car manufacturers, as its the current top statistic to display your latest car's abilities. Its already high profile around the world and iconic, I'm sure they will find someone.
 
Indeed, because you have to remember the Sudschleife, old part of the nurburgring and went to overgrowth too, here and there you can walk for miles on the sudsschleife, but it's tarmac is almost gone,...

I can't imagine this happening, but i guess it has something to do with all the money that still needs to come in from all accidents etc... Lawsuits keep going for years between people who crashed into one another because of normal one direction road rules going on. They constantly need to repair and maintain the track but the money doesn't flow in like it should, because of those fights etc...
 
Indeed, because you have to remember the Sudschleife, old part of the nurburgring and went to overgrowth too, here and there you can walk for miles on the sudsschleife, but it's tarmac is almost gone,...

I can't imagine this happening, but i guess it has something to do with all the money that still needs to come in from all accidents etc... Lawsuits keep going for years between people who crashed into one another because of normal one direction road rules going on. They constantly need to repair and maintain the track but the money doesn't flow in like it should, because of those fights etc...

I think the 400,000,000 Euro debt is to do with some of the "upgrades" around the GP track, and the fact that the owners lied about their ability to cover the loans.

I hope Silverstone is taking notes...
 
This is terrible news, I hope it can be sorted out though.

Reading through the articles it's just one error after another, roller coasters, shopping malls, toilet facilities, false accounting.

It's a sad thing but seeing figures like €400,000,000 makes me think that it's too much to be saved.

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I can't imagine this happening, but i guess it has something to do with all the money that still needs to come in from all accidents etc... Lawsuits keep going for years between people who crashed into one another because of normal one direction road rules going on.

That's what I think. I read somewhere that on average there are 12 deaths a year. Imagine the securities paid to their families. Only that could put them some dozens of milions in dept.
 
Maybe if they pull out of the German GP next year and let Hockenheim host it. It might save a bit of money.
 
That's what I think. I read somewhere that on average there are 12 deaths a year. Imagine the securities paid to their families. Only that could put them some dozens of milions in dept.

Eh? Every race track I've been on there is no liability held by the track. Is it different at the 'ring? Surely not.
 
Maybe if they pull out of the German GP next year and let Hockenheim host it. It might save a bit of money.

Then they'll be missing a whole bunch of revenue.

Honestly, I don't know what some Facebook group or internet website is going to do to make half a billion Euro's go away. It all seems frivolous.
 
Eh? Every race track I've been on there is no liability held by the track. Is it different at the 'ring? Surely not.

I take back my thought, you've got to be right. Anyway, it's a high number that I believe causes many owners of fast machines to avoid it because of this.
 
Not MY Nurburgring! :(

Can a Paypal account even be set up for donations considered it's a public money debt? I wonder, since there's no "donate" link.
 
Can a Paypal account even be set up for donations considered it's a public money debt? I wonder, since there's no "donate" link.

If you are talking about the "savethering" site posted on the last page, it's just a fan site so there is no reason for there to be a "donate" link.
 
Eh? Every race track I've been on there is no liability held by the track. Is it different at the 'ring? Surely not.

It is, The Ring isn't ruled out as a "track".
It is ruled out as a one way driving road with unlimited speed. If you crash all sorts of things come into play. Like a real life road crash, same with deaths.

For example if a bike crashed into the back of a car, car spins out off control into armco and ruins 10 meters of armco and a part of the asphalt, biker gets killed and the bike ruins the car...
It would get the police involved, probably a red light for half the day, a chopper from the hospital. On the day itself.
But the biker is dead and who's fault was it? 3 insurance parties, alot of papers,...
Needs to be reconstructed, whilst the damage on the track needs to be paid for by the loosing party, because it was his fault,etc...
This all is going to court in major accidents.
And alot off Euros are needed to cover this...

It is very weird because on less aggressive accidents it works in their favoure sometimes.

I've seen a dude come back from a lap and his left front was touched by some horizontal scrapes, pure evidence he kissed the armco somewhere. So he needs to pay for it immediatly if he can.
The guy denied but was holded in the office for half an hour until feedback came through from one of the daily ringers it was indeed a crash. Guy payed for and rushed of with his porsche.

This is how it goes there, very weird, but the only way to hold this track for public people, without all the trackday ******** around it...

It is all in your own hands, as a racer, because of the unlimited speed limit. But the rules apply like real life one way traffic.
That's also why you want to be on the ring on track very early when it opens, around 8 in the morning. So you have some open road, and no crashes for hopefully a half day.
Because like somebody stated alot of people crash and even die on the track...

This is all part of the main title the ring got: the green hell...

@ coxis, i know :( And no i don't think we can pay for now... It is going how they let it flow for now, like Sabine said... Wait and follow the page... :(
 
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Shouldn't the Nurburgring be regarded as a tourist attraction and a historic landmark and be funded by the government? They CAN'T close the ring, ever. It would be protested by millions of people around the world.
 
Smells like a publicity stunt...I seriously don't believe this at all.
 
Well this is a good thing in a selfish way for me as it finally gives me an excuse I can use with my fiance to actually go.

I showed her this and we are now planning a trip for our birthdays (july 1st and july 11th lol) to go see the tour de france and then a month in germany with me getting 2 weeks of nurburgring for myself :)

At least I will finally get to enjoy it, if it went under and I didn't get a chance to drive it in real life I would be devastated.
 
I might abandon my fund for a brand-new Lola B11/60 and put the money towards saving the track. If some people who have money, and are willing to help, we/they can probably save it, or at least part of it.

I originally started saving up for the Lola to actually race on the 'ring, but after hearing this, I really am serious about redirecting my current $2,250 towards the ring.
 
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