Tyre Wear Bug Online??

Small_Fryz · Sep 11, 2011

Ive done a few online races against friends in GT5 that have lasted 30 - 45mins (say about 20) which has required pit stops for tyres due to wear. Normally things are pretty even when it comes to tyre preservation and we all pit about the same time with similar pace, but I did a race with them yesterday and my tyres just got killed.

It was 38 laps of Tokyo Reverse with racing hards in a Ferrari 458 Fully modded and by lap 8 my tyres were gone and my friends were all easily lapping 1 - 2 seconds quicker then me. The strategy was to pit twice and run 13,13,12 laps. By the time I was at lap 12 my car was almost undriveable and they were miles ahead.

In all my racing a similar situation has happened to me once before as well, Mclaren MP4 (arcade car) Sports Softs at Cape Ring South (24laps). The same situation, my tyres just didnt seem to last anywhere near as good as the others and I went from equal pace at the start of a stint to 2 - 3 seconds slower near the end.

This has to be a bug, anybody else got similar experience?

MitchZ06 · Sep 11, 2011

Different cars wear out tyres faster or slower than others not to mention how you may be driving at the time.

I've driven some cars from the GTPFIA series that have been balanced that are better on tyres than others so I'd say it isn't a glitch.

Small_Fryz · Sep 11, 2011

Well we were all in the same car, and I had the same setup as well.

MitchZ06 · Sep 11, 2011

Would depend more on your style then rather than the car (which may have the same setup as the others but might not suit you as a driver).

JamboGT · Sep 11, 2011

I agree, the driving style of the individual has a great effect on the life of the tyres.

Small_Fryz · Sep 11, 2011

But why then, that for 15 odd races across multiple tracks it was never an issue?

I mean the lobby can sometimes have the bug that tyres never warm up (they stay blue), so you need to reset the track. I just cant explain why this race was so different.

marcus_war · Sep 11, 2011

Well, the online servers have been garbage to begin with. But, this has nothing to do with the wear.

Think back. Did you make a change to the setup of the car? Some setups, as you know by now (hopefully), have advantages over others and certain disadvantages. Having to deal with understeer will cause some horrendous tire wear, and the same is true for having to work the wheel back and forth dealing with a loose setup. Especially on tracks where there is an abundance of corners.

Azuremen · Sep 11, 2011

MitchZ06
Would depend more on your style then rather than the car (which may have the same setup as the others but might not suit you as a driver).

JamboGT
I agree, the driving style of the individual has a great effect on the life of the tyres.

I don't think you guys realize who you are talking to...

He can drive something to maintain the tires no problem. Though I mean you can go on about he clearly just has a less than ideal technique being the problem here.

MitchZ06 · Sep 11, 2011

Azuremen
I don't think you guys realize who you are talking to...

He can drive something to maintain the tires no problem. Though I mean you can go on about he clearly just has a less than ideal technique being the problem here.

Didn't realise he was Jesus! :dunce:

I can maintain tyres on some cars most of the time no problem too, but then again I also have my off days. There's no doubt he's not perfect, no-one is....

Azuremen · Sep 11, 2011

MitchZ06
Didn't realise he was Jesus!

Stop mocking my Son, and respect Me.

Though maybe he is just having an off days. Lots of them off days.

JamboGT · Sep 11, 2011

Seriously?

Everyone can have a race with some wheelspin and have a bit more wear. I guess I could get my dad to come and confirm this for me...

Small_Fryz · Sep 11, 2011

JamboGT
Seriously?

I'm actually considering it.

Aside from my GT5 racing I have also done close to 100, 1 hour long races in the PC world (GT Legends, Rfactor, GTR2) and in those races I was always one of the better drivers on my tyres. So its not like I dont understand how to drive and how to conserve tyres in general. I just find it really strange that on two occasions out of 20 I was completely gone in terms of tyre wear. Not even close. Everybody else was quicker than I was in the end of the stint.

Its entirely possible it was down to something I did but based on my past experience and results I find that hard to believe, especially given the difference I faced. Im not talking about 1 or 2 laps difference but 5 - 6.

I guess I was posting to see if anybody else has ideas or experienced similar or do most of you guys not do longer races?

Ealirendur · Sep 11, 2011

Any chance there was an early incident that it might have amplified (say, flat-spotting caused by avoiding contact, or contact with anything..)?

Were your lines the same (particularly rumble strips - it not being inconceivable you were using more track)?

Or perhaps more lag than usual?

It would be interesting if it could be attributed to either - not that I'm saying it's likely. Just tossing ideas.

BradKinder · Sep 11, 2011

I do 60-90 minute endurance races with people online a couple times a week. Some of them are skilled enough to run an entire race on the same set of tires where the rest of us pit 1-3 times. It makes them stay behind everyone until after they pit once or twice, but it's possible. If you learn to manage your pace well, it's an impressive feat.

A lap time is only the time of a single lap. As total length or time of the race is altered, you want to look at more than just the time of one hot lap with unworn tires.

It's a pain in the ass, but if the race is 20 laps... Get your time doing all 20 on one set of tires, and then try getting a lap time if you pit after the 10th lap. Or you can see how much time you lose in a pit stop, going all out, and do the math on the fly in the game. You can see your lap times dropping... Multiply the loss over your best by the number of laps left and see if it would be worth it to make a pit stop.

A car that is tuned for an extra fast lap time (through tweaking settings) likely burns up tires faster than it otherwise would. Some tunes may make the car wear the tires out slower, at a more mature pace. The default settings for upgraded components in GT5 seem to provide superior control for tires that are half-way down their wear indicator. People tend to neurotically tune their cars for hot laps with unworn tires. It's a pity!

NEPALII · Sep 11, 2011

It's ridiculous seeing people blaming the game for their lack of skill. It's not a bug, its your driving style.

Terronium-12 · Sep 11, 2011

NEPALII
It's ridiculous seeing people blaming the game for their lack of skill. It's not a bug, its your driving style.

Yeah...pretty sure "lack of skill" isn't in his vocab.

Just going to put that out there.

NEPALII · Sep 11, 2011

Terronium-12
Yeah...pretty sure "lack of skill" isn't in his vocab.

Just going to put that out there.

Then why complain? Just because the tires are wearing out more at a certain race doesnt mean its a bug. I have had races with tires lasting 10 laps and then with same car and tires I only last 4 laps.

Terronium-12 · Sep 11, 2011

NEPALII
Then why complain? Just because the tires are wearing out more at a certain race doesnt mean its a bug. I have had races with tires lasting 10 laps and then with same car and tires I only last 4 laps.

On the same track, same tune, same conditions?

Azuremen · Sep 11, 2011

NEPALII
It's ridiculous seeing people blaming the game for their lack of skill. It's not a bug, its your driving style.

Like I said before, you might want to reconsider when you say things along those lines. This isn't some clueless noob you are talking to, just an fyi.

And he isn't so much as blaming the game as asking about something. Considering this amazing driving "simulator" has the hard tires wearing faster than the softs, it isn't really out of the question that some other errors could exist. 💡

Techy · Sep 11, 2011

I don't think it's a bug. I had a one-hour race in part of a racing series today and the front tires wore out just as rapid as other cars (I was driving an FF). However, I did noticed that it wore out a bit more rapid than usual. But then again, I pushed the car quite hard through the laps.

Small_Fryz · Sep 11, 2011

The thing is Ive raced the guys plenty of times before and it didnt happen then.

1) I was using the same settings as he was

2) Lines and lap times were very similar, yet my tyres wore out 5 - 6 laps sooner!

3) Twice now i have experienced extreme tyre wear out of the blue, while 95% of the other races I had no issue if anything I was better on tyres...

It just doesnt add up.

Sol_Badass · Sep 11, 2011

Maybe your friends just got better?

Terronium-12 · Sep 11, 2011

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Ealirendur · Sep 11, 2011

I was kind of trying to figure out if it was an unexpected "feature", rather than a bug.

Perhaps try to catch it with a replay (including an opponent replay!) next time?

What I meant with the lag question was perhaps that it was being assessed differently at the host, or something like that - considering that people have been completely invisible to others, it's not exactly impossible.

Small_Fryz · Sep 11, 2011

Thats a valid point.

But I guess unless anybody else has experienced something similar I just must have done something wrong...

tuga703 · Sep 11, 2011

Was everyone using the same tyres? It seems hard and soft tyres wear at the same rate but on the soft tyres you have less understeer and oversteer so they end up being used up more slowly.

Small_Fryz · Sep 11, 2011

Yes, everyone was on same tyres.

I guess nobody else has experienced this?

Maybe I am a crap driver :lol:

Btw the race was recorded and will be commented on and featured on inside sim racing I believe. So we can all see me drop from battling 1st to 5th in the last part of the stint lol.

Ealirendur · Sep 12, 2011

Small_Fryz
Yes, everyone was on same tyres.

I guess nobody else has experienced this?

Maybe I am a crap driver

Btw the race was recorded and will be commented on and featured on inside sim racing I believe. So we can all see me drop from battling 1st to 5th in the last part of the stint lol.

Not I. I'm not skilled enough to consider myself a reliable witness if it happened to me - and I can't do league/fixture racing anyway.

Was this for the Raceonoz (nee gtleagueoz)/Pagnian imports finals thingy? I saw you'd done well in the quali trials.

EDIT: I'm guessing yes ;-)

http://raceonoz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=919

Bummer of a time for it to happen, if it was a bug.

Rotary Junkie · Sep 12, 2011

Azuremen
Like I said before, you might want to reconsider when you say things along those lines. This isn't some clueless noob you are talking to, just an fyi.

And he isn't so much as blaming the game as asking about something. Considering this amazing driving "simulator" has the hard tires wearing faster than the softs, it isn't really out of the question that some other errors could exist. 💡

This.

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Tire wear is a bit odd, I've watched cars wear the coldest, least stressed tire fastest in a few races but haven't seen anything like this. I know it's not a driver thing (watched you disappear in a worse car too many times) so I'd have to say that it is a glitch...

But why? A lap or two could be explained by driver differences, more if the person in question is out more to destroy tires than go quickly but that's not how you drive...

Small_Fryz · Sep 12, 2011

Ealirendur
EDIT: I'm guessing yes ;-)

http://raceonoz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=919

Bummer of a time for it to happen, if it was a bug.

Yes that was it, but I'm not making excuses here, Koastr was very quick and deserved that win!! But it was very frustrating to watch him drive away while my tyres dropped off haha.

Thanks for your input Rotary Junkie, glad to know I'm not the only one with a few questions around tyre wear. It would be nice to know how tyre wear works because it seems quite inconsistent to me.
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