U.S senate declares war on US

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In a stunning move that has civil libertarians stuttering with disbelief, the U.S. Senate has just passed a bill that effectively ends the Bill of Rights in America.

The National Defense Authorization Act
is being called the most traitorous act ever witnessed in the Senate, and the language of the bill is cleverly designed to make you think it doesn’t apply to Americans, but toward the end of the bill it essentially says it can apply to Americans ”if we want it to.”

This bill, passed late last night in a 93-7 vote, declares the entire USA to be a ”battleground” upon which U.S. military forces can operate with impunity, overriding Posse Comitatus and granting the military the unchecked power to arrest, detain, interrogate and even assassinate U.S. citizens with impunity.

The passage of this law is nothing less than an outright declaration of WAR against the American People by the military-connected power elite. If this is signed into law, it will shred the remaining tenants of the Bill of Rights and unleash upon America a total military dictatorship, complete with secret arrests, secret prisons, unlawful interrogations, indefinite detainment without ever being charged with a crime, the torture of Americans and even the ”legitimate assassination” of U.S. citizens on right here on American soil!

If you have not yet woken up to the reality of the police state we’ve been warning you about, I hope you realize we are fast running out of time. Once this becomes law, you have no rights whatsoever in America — no due process, no First Amendment speech rights, no right to remain silent, nothing.

Senate Wants the Military to Lock You Up Without Trial
…the detention mandate to use indefinite military detention in terrorism cases isn’t limited to foreigners. It’s confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other, but in the judgment of the University of Texas’ Robert Chesney — a nonpartisan authority on military detention — “U.S. citizens are included in the grant of detention authority.”


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http://newsvoice.se/2011/12/02/us-senate-declares-the-entire-usa-to-be-a-battleground/
 
This is no longer a left vs. right issue,

it's now a matter of right vs. wrong.

Corporate fascism is about to run rampant, and who can stop it?
 
They're not abolishing the bill of rights. They're adding to it the right to arrest and/or detain anybody suspected of being involved in or associated with Terrorist activity. Obama is not happy, and has already threatened to veto it. It's been blown way out of proportion.
 
This...this is not good. I do believe people will fight back if they are attacked. I do hope it's not passed.
 
Do you have an official Bill Name?
OpenCongress front page.
Though Obama is threating to veto it, many comments on this that a "act of terrorism" is misleading like the Patriot Act. Like this commentator states:
The problem with this bill (and almost all bills that mention the word “terror”, “terrorist”, “terrorism”, or “war on terror”, like the misnamed Patriot Act) is that terrorism is a tactic, not a person or group of people. By a strict definition of “terrorism”, some tactics employed by the US army could classify them as a “terrorist organization”, but that’s not the point. Since “Terrorism” is a tactic, in order to call someone a “terrorist”, you need to give that person a fair trial and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person in question did in fact use terrorist tactics. Bills like this give the US Government the ability to skip that step and classify someone as a “terrorist” arbitrarily without a fair trial, which is no different than giving the Executive branch the power to call someone a murderer and execute them on the spot. Once you start going down that path, the potential for abuse is catastrophic! Section 1031 needs to be removed.
President Obama has threatened to veto the bill, arguing that the indefinite military detention section is an attempt by the Senate to “micromanage” the work of the Defense Department. Senators opposing the dentition provision appear to have enough votes to reject an override attempt of a veto. Earlier in the week, the Senate rejected an amendment by Sen. Mark Udall [D, CO] to strip the detention language from the bill, but the amendment did secure more than the 34 votes (2/3rds majority) that would be needed to sustain a veto. The full roll call on that amendment can be viewed here.
Best way to speak out your voice is to give your Congressmen a Call, they rely on your vote to stay in office!
Huffington Post Article
 
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I'm expecting rebellion within about, 5 years if this "law" isn't devoked and crushed.
 
what's suprising about this? mean this country have literally been flirting with nazi-style despotism ever since it decided to imprison freedom loving japanese-americans....in the age of the the misnamed "war on terror"(which I really see as nothing about a "war on islam") stuff like the PATROIT act, proxy torture, assassinations based on secret evidence, an now this just represent the fact that we're on step away from a total dictatorship.

speaking of, an excellent commentary by Hornberger on this bill:

http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2011-11-30.asp
 
Best way to speak out your voice is to give your Congressmen a Call, they rely on your vote to stay in office!

In my view no country's government cares about the people once elected.
They make these "promises" to get you to vote them they pretty much say 🤬 to you once they are elected.
 
Best way to speak out your voice is to give your Congressmen a Call, they rely on your vote to stay in office!

If this were the case then we wouldn't be where we are at with this nation, Iraq might have never happened, and many other things from the past if this actually worked. However, it doesn't work people call or write in all the time and yet the bankroll speaks louder than public interest.

They're not abolishing the bill of rights. They're adding to it the right to arrest and/or detain anybody suspected of being involved in or associated with Terrorist activity. Obama is not happy, and has already threatened to veto it. It's been blown way out of proportion.

If you read the language closer you'll see they're not protecting you or me any more than the Patriot Act that is already in place. The fear mongering of the Terrorist coming to get you is a joke, I'm more afraid of a angry ordinary American shooting up a mall, store or restaraunt these days due to being laid off or having their home foreclosed and just going rampant. Also there is the fact that it seems like a good ploy to use, kind of like the red scare and watching over your shoulder for the communist, now it's the terrorist we use to get are hands into a war. Also how has it been blown way out of proportion, the thing that worries people is that if they say or protest to critically against their gov't they may be looked at a lot closer, now what group of people do you know of like that currently?
 
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If this were the case then we wouldn't be where we are at with this nation, Iraq might have never happened, and many other things from the past if this actually worked. However, it doesn't work people call or write in all the time and yet the bankroll speaks louder than public interest.
So we go back to the old Wu-Tang saying " C.R.E.A.M" Though mailing your state senator your voice is a bit better than just watching by. Everything stated might not happened, but we always found reasons to stay there. ( I do agree with what your saying) 9/11 shook America into something different.

In my view no country's government cares about the people once elected.
They make these "promises" to get you to vote them they pretty much say 🤬 to you once they are elected.
2/3ths of promises aren't fulfilled ( It was probably another fraction) but I learned that in Government..
 
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So we go back to the old Wu-Tang saying " C.R.E.A.M" Though mailing your state senator your voice is a bit better than just watching by. Everything stated might not happened, but we always found reasons to stay there. ( I do agree with what your saying) 9/11 shook America into something different.

I don't stand by idle, I say the protesting does more in your face what Americans feel than anything else. Howeve, you need to actually go to one and not let the "oh so great" national news tell you what the protesters think. I've mailed my Senator before and I've done that type of thing, but it simply doesn't work, their are too many bad eggs for every good egg that we see once in a blue moon, that has power in our gov't.
 
I don't stand by idle, I say the protesting does more in your face what Americans feel than anything else. Howeve, you need to actually go to one and not let the "oh so great" national news tell you what the protesters think. I've mailed my Senator before and I've done that type of thing, but it simply doesn't work, their are too many bad eggs for every good egg that we see once in a blue moon, that has power in our gov't.

In my local area, I have not seen a protest yet.
 
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So we go back to the old Wu-Tang saying " C.R.E.A.M"
I never thought Wu-Tang would be cited in the Opinions forum! Awesomeness! 👍
But they are right and have been since '93.
 
I never thought Wu-Tang would be cited in the Opinions forum! Awesomeness! 👍
But they are right and have been since '93.
:lol:
For those who don't know " Cash Rules Everything Around Me" ( C.R.E.A.M)
 
Has it passed the house? If it hasn't then it's not a law yet.

This sounds a bit over the top to me.
 
Has it passed the house? If it hasn't then it's not a law yet.

This sounds a bit over the top to me.
The description of the bill is certainly worrying, but it's also being blown way out of proportion because of these stupid fear mongers. The Govt. says they're taking/banning away just 1 thing, anything, & these idiots come out in full force declaring that you're losing your freedom.
 
The description of the bill is certainly worrying, but it's also being blown way out of proportion because of these stupid fear mongers. The Govt. says they're taking/banning away just 1 thing, anything, & these idiots come out in full force declaring that you're losing your freedom.

This bill also surfaced around SOPA and Protect IP act. Though that youtubers have surfaced a new kind of fear to wake up the average joe and let them know about this.
Again, the opencongress bill
 
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Obama better veto this bill, or he loses my vote.

Still not gonna vote for a Republican though.

Why does it always have to boil down to Dem or Republican with the majority of voters, there is your first problem that needs to be solved. Huntsman and Paul don't act like the other GOP or better yet they're not Neo-Cons. Both sides have bodies to account for and any informed person could bring that to attention in this thread for all eyes to see, yet it never fails that the majority of people can live with one parties destruction over the other and feel it's justified. I guess that's what is wrong with this nation though.
 
Didn't our President say that he is going to veto it if it gets passed though? If you wanted to point fingers. Two Republicans have supported this bill and a Demo who built it.
But there is a way to stop this dangerous legislation Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) is offering the Udall Amendment that will delete the harmful provisions and replace them with a requirement for an orderly Congressional review of detention power. The Udall Amendment will make sure that the bill matches up with American values
The solution is the Udall Amendment a way for the Senate to say no to indefinite detention without charge or trial anywhere in the world where any president decides to use the military Instead of simply going along with a bill that was drafted in secret and is being jammed through the Senate the Udall Amendment deletes the provisions and sets up an orderly review of detention power It tries to take the politics out and put American values back in
 
The description of the bill is certainly worrying, but it's also being blown way out of proportion because of these stupid fear mongers. The Govt. says they're taking/banning away just 1 thing, anything, & these idiots come out in full force declaring that you're losing your freedom.

So you trust what the Gov't says? That's a little worrying.
 
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