Santa question (Warning: Adult content, spoilers)

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I was just wondering when other forum members found out Santa wasn't real and how they found out...

I believe my older brother told me when I was about 7 or 8.

I don't think this has been discussed before, but it's fairly difficult searching for this kind of thing with the words "how" and "old" being excluded from searches (even when joined by "Santa")

edit: I meant to attach a poll, but clicking on the wrong button doesn't seem to be the right way to go about that...
 
I never really believed in Santa. When the tags on the present said "From: Santa" in my dad's handwriting, I kind of put the pieces together :)
 
I always believed in Santa. One time, I saw this thing in the sky which I SWORE was santa's sleigh and all the reindeer. It was red and stuff. When I reflect on it, I think it was actually like some Northwest airlines flight, but, I never actually had a defining moment that made me think SANTA CLAUS IS A HACK! I just kind of grew out of it, you know?
 
Santas not real?!

Then who eats the milk and cookies I put out every year?! And How come I saw him at the shopping centre last week!

You've got alot of explaining to do!


But seriously, I think I was about 8-9. But I think the age is going down, I hear parents on current affairs shows say "I hate lieing to my children; it's not good for building trust" and whatever. Anyone see Santa being phased out in the future?
 
kylehnat
Hey, he put "spoilers" in the title of the thread :)

I know, I am 25 year old, for Santa's sake :D

It was supposed to be a joke. I think I found out when I was around 5 or 6, as I used to go looking for presents all over the house way before Christmas day will come, and when I found them secretly hidden inside the house, I knew it was my parents' doing.

The Wizard.
 
Considering our house in N.Y. didn't have a chimney, and nobody has them here in the tropics where I live now, I caught on pretty quick.
 
Yeah. We don't have a chimney either. The Santa Claus with Tim Allen made me trip so bad, though. When he just made a chimney out of nowhere and stuff...
 
It's kinda obvious Santa can't make the toy's I wanted since when I was real young all I saw pics of with "Santa's workshop" was wooden toys.

Through the imaginative versions of today's theories of how gifts are "made" I believe there's a Santa. It's good to believe, it's hope.

All this X-mas crap i.e. music and hype... Bah Humbug!
 
I knew pretty quickly, "Santa"'s handwriting changed on different presents and were exactly the same as my mom and dad's handwriting.
 
I can’t remember when. But I went out of my room to have a piss and caught my mum stuffing a stocking full of toys. Apparantly she was “just checking what Santa had given me” … It took another 4 years before I found out the truth.

j/k :D
 
VIPFREAK
It's kinda obvious Santa can't make the toy's I wanted since when I was real young all I saw pics of with "Santa's workshop" was wooden toys.

Through the imaginative versions of today's theories of how gifts are "made" I believe there's a Santa. It's good to believe, it's hope.

All this X-mas crap i.e. music and hype... Bah Humbug!


Blink 182's I wont be home for christmas is pretty cool.

I dont like that when i go to the mall to hang out on my winter vacation, its so packed. Damn people!

But, this year, i get the ultimate present. Going to Daytona for a kart race, all the way across the US ! :D

Woot!
 
I always knew, my mum and dad never pretended he was real. I'm kind of glad about that tbh.
 
I found out fairly young, as I recognized Santa's handwriting to be my mom's. It took some older kids actually telling me that he wasn't real for me to put it all together though. I was NOT pleased when I found out... :indiff:

P.S. I was just listening to "I Won't Be Home For Christmas" by Blink 182... awesome song. :)
 
Unconvensionally.

One year i got my PS1, and TV from santa. A few months later, i lost the remote for the TV, and as i'd left it on standby, i couldn't turn it on without it. So, my dad says "Well, you could take it back to the shop", at which i was puzzled. "No, father christmas brought those.", i said, "No, your mum bought it in currys about a month ago".

Tada :D

EDIT

Oh and i suspected the handwriting a little, not becayse it looked like my mum's, but because she put it in wobbly handwriting which looked very very fake.
 
Santa is real. Kids are more perceptive than adults (hence the phrase "Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings" - they see, and say, things "grown-ups" don't) and know the truth, but as they get older they begin to ignore what they know to fit in with the crowd of foolish old people.

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I knew pretty quickly, "Santa"'s handwriting changed on different presents and were exactly the same as my mom and dad's handwriting.

Classic double-bluff. Though not very inventive. Santa must have thought you "Nice, but dim" to only pull that one on you. Think about it - what better way to conceal your identity than pretending to be someone else pretending to be you? You've been hoodwinked.
 
I learnt the harsh truth a while back.

There are approximately two billion children (persons under 18) in the world. However, since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist (except maybe in Japan) religions, this reduces the workload for Christmas night to 15% of the total, or 378 million (according to the Population Reference Bureau). At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that comes to 108 million homes, presuming that there is at least one good child in each.

Santa has about 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 967.7 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with a good child, Santa has around 1/1000th of a second to park the sleigh, hop out, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get back up the chimney, jump into the sleigh and get on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 108 million stops is evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false, but will accept for the purposes of our calculations), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per household; a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting bathroom stops or breaks. This means Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second--3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second, and a conventional reindeer can run (at best) 15 miles per hour.

The payload of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized Lego set (two pounds), the sleigh is carrying over 500 thousand tons, not counting Santa himself. On land, a conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that the "flying" reindeer could pull ten times the normal amount, the job can't be done with eight or even nine of them--Santa would need 360,000 of them. This increases the payload, not counting the weight of the sleigh, another 54,000 tons, or roughly seven times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth (the ship, not the monarch).



600,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance--this would heat up the reindeer in the same fashion as a spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer would absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second each. In short, they would burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them and creating deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team would be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second, or right about the time Santa reached the fifth house on his trip.



Not that it matters, however, since Santa, as a result of accelerating from a dead stop to 650 m.p.s. in 0.001 seconds, would be subjected to acceleration forces of 17,500 g's. A 250 pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force, instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him to a quivering blob of pink goo.

Therefore, if Santa did exist, he's dead now. Merry Christmas!
 
Yeah, but... Apart from all that. Their is no reason why he can't exist. You sound exactly like one of those Darwinist chaps, with all your facts and science...what did science ever prove....

Correct me if I'm wrong (Most likely), but at one time hundreds of years ago didn't an actual person named Santa exist who gave out gifts, and the 'myth' is based off that?
 
No, Santa was originally based on either a demon who took kids away and ate them, or St Nicholas depending on where you come from. There was never a real person called Santa who gave out gifts.
 
ultrabeat
I learnt the harsh truth a while back.

There are approximately two billion children (persons under 18) in the world. However, since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist (except maybe in Japan) religions, this reduces the workload for Christmas night to 15% of the total, or 378 million (according to the Population Reference Bureau). At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that comes to 108 million homes, presuming that there is at least one good child in each.

Santa has about 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 967.7 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with a good child, Santa has around 1/1000th of a second to park the sleigh, hop out, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get back up the chimney, jump into the sleigh and get on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 108 million stops is evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false, but will accept for the purposes of our calculations), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per household; a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting bathroom stops or breaks. This means Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second--3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second, and a conventional reindeer can run (at best) 15 miles per hour.

The payload of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized Lego set (two pounds), the sleigh is carrying over 500 thousand tons, not counting Santa himself. On land, a conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that the "flying" reindeer could pull ten times the normal amount, the job can't be done with eight or even nine of them--Santa would need 360,000 of them. This increases the payload, not counting the weight of the sleigh, another 54,000 tons, or roughly seven times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth (the ship, not the monarch).



600,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance--this would heat up the reindeer in the same fashion as a spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer would absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second each. In short, they would burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them and creating deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team would be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second, or right about the time Santa reached the fifth house on his trip.



Not that it matters, however, since Santa, as a result of accelerating from a dead stop to 650 m.p.s. in 0.001 seconds, would be subjected to acceleration forces of 17,500 g's. A 250 pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force, instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him to a quivering blob of pink goo.

Therefore, if Santa did exist, he's dead now. Merry Christmas!

The underlined is the problem with this reasoning. How many "good" children do you know? Almost ALL children are little bastards at some point during the year. So really Santa only has to stroll around 5 or 6 houses in the morning in 24 time zones.

The rest of it is your parents feeling sorry for you because, even though you were a little tosspot throughout the year, you're still their child. So they pretend that you were good really and buy you electronic crap from the local electronic crapola shop and SAY it's from Santa.


Oh and Ulysses was the fastest artificially accelerated object. Helios B was three times faster.


live4speed
Santa was originally based on either a demon who took kids away and ate them...

I think you're confusing Santa Claus with Satan's claws.
 
No, there was a old myth I think it's from Cyprus not 100% sure on that though where there was a demon called Santa, the same name and he took childeren away once a year and ate them. Some people say that Santa clause was taken from this myth but was adopted by other cultures as a good person. As I said, it depends on where you come from, theres more myths regarding the origins of Santa to the two I mentioned before including one where Santa IS Satan, yep there is one out there.
 
I knew there wasn't a Santa as soon as my Dad told me to leave out a beer for him instead of milk. Even at the age of 8, I knew my Dad didn't just give away his beer like that.

The worst part is, I wrote a letter to Santa that year telling him that i'd leave out beer and cookies like my dad said, and it got printed in the newspaper. That was the year our city learned of my dads drinking habit.
 
ultrabeat
I learnt the harsh truth a while back.

There are approximately two billion children (persons under 18) in the world. However, since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist (except maybe in Japan) religions, this reduces the workload for Christmas night to 15% of the total, or 378 million (according to the Population Reference Bureau). At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that comes to 108 million homes, presuming that there is at least one good child in each.

Santa has about 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 967.7 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with a good child, Santa has around 1/1000th of a second to park the sleigh, hop out, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get back up the chimney, jump into the sleigh and get on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 108 million stops is evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false, but will accept for the purposes of our calculations), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per household; a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting bathroom stops or breaks. This means Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second--3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second, and a conventional reindeer can run (at best) 15 miles per hour.

The payload of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized Lego set (two pounds), the sleigh is carrying over 500 thousand tons, not counting Santa himself. On land, a conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that the "flying" reindeer could pull ten times the normal amount, the job can't be done with eight or even nine of them--Santa would need 360,000 of them. This increases the payload, not counting the weight of the sleigh, another 54,000 tons, or roughly seven times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth (the ship, not the monarch).



600,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance--this would heat up the reindeer in the same fashion as a spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer would absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second each. In short, they would burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them and creating deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team would be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second, or right about the time Santa reached the fifth house on his trip.



Not that it matters, however, since Santa, as a result of accelerating from a dead stop to 650 m.p.s. in 0.001 seconds, would be subjected to acceleration forces of 17,500 g's. A 250 pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force, instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him to a quivering blob of pink goo.

Therefore, if Santa did exist, he's dead now. Merry Christmas!
It is called MAGIC! Science, facts, and statistics are pointless when held up to the the blatant obvious answers provided by magic. Honestly, haven't you seen or read "The Polar Express?" At least 90% of the story takes place at about 11:55 PM. One character even pointed out that it had been 11:55 for at least a half hour. I'm guessing that you haven't heard a sleigh bell for quite some time now.



All you people that are talking about finding out that there is no Santa have no clue what you are talking about. Just because you no longer believe and can no longer see doesn't mean that he isn't there.
 
FoolKiller
It is called MAGIC! Science, facts, and statistics are pointless when held up to the the blatant obvious answers provided by magic. Honestly, haven't you seen or read "The Polar Express?" At least 90% of the story takes place at about 11:55 PM. One character even pointed out that it had been 11:55 for at least a half hour. I'm guessing that you haven't heard a sleigh bell for quite some time now.



All you people that are talking about finding out that there is no Santa have no clue what you are talking about. Just because you no longer believe and can no longer see doesn't mean that he isn't there.

Would you really trust Tom Hanks' judgement?
And I'm ubersceptical about magic.
 
Over here it is not Santa but St Nicholas. It's custom over here to sit on his lap and tell him what you want for Christmas. I can't remember exactly but I heard a story (and I think it was about me), that when I was sitting on his lap, I pulled his fake beard and found out that he wasn't real. :dopey:
 

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