Comparing All The Japanese Sports Cars On Gt4 (INCOMPLETE)

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I accidently deleted the old comparison so I'm replacing it with a Japanese Sport Cars comparison, it will include cars such as Imprezas and Skylines.

May as well post what I've done so far.

SUBARU

Legacy B4 3.0

BHP : 246
Price : 28,500
400 meters time : 15.180 seconds
Max speed : 161.31 mph
Fuji Speedway 90's Laptime : 1.55

Comments : The cheapest new Subaru, quite fast but lacks acceleration.



Impreza Sedan WRX STI (GD Type II)

BHP : 276
Price : 28,950
400 meters time : 12.956
Max speed : 167.99 mph
Fuji Speedway 90's Laptime : 1.46

Comments : Only a few hundred more than the Legacy B4 and much faster around Fuji and better acceleration.



Impreza Sedan WRX STI Spec C (GD Type II)

BHP : 276
Price : 33,920
400 meters time : 12.472 seconds
Max speed : 171.23 mph
Fuji Speedway 90's Laptime : 1.45

Comments : Very fast, good acceleration and cheap for a car that can go over 170 mph


Much more coming soon
 
The TVR's "bad handling" isn't down to bad handling, but because of something else you noted... Once it has actually gained traction, somewhere around 4th gear and 120mph+, it has more acceleration than the gravity well of a black hole, and you end up arriving at your next corner a hell of a lot faster than you think - resulting in monumental understeer, which if you try to correct with throttle ends in understeer AND oversteer at the same time...


That said, my time for it on Trial Mountain on S2s is slower than my M5 time.
 
Famine
Once it has actually gained traction, somewhere around 4th gear and 120mph+, it has more acceleration than the gravity well of a black hole, and you end up arriving at your next corner a hell of a lot faster than you think
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That happened to me in the test on nurb and in the tvr event (later changed to using speed 6)
 
You should have considered the Cadillac Cien too, is no production car but It is a road car, and it's amazingly fast!



Ciao....
 
:lol: I've lapped the ring in a stock Speed 12 a hell of a lot faster than that, faster than the ZZII time as well. You really do need patience with that car but if you can handle ityou can pull off some astonishing times with it. Like Famine said, it's not a bad handling car, it's jsut that your aproaching corners a hell of alot faster than you are in any other raod car in the game, that means you have to increase your braking distance, a lot of people drive it and try to brake at the same point as they would in any other supercar, but any other supercar isn't going as fast as the Speed 12 is on approach to that corner ;). Personally, I think the 12 is one of the best cars in the game.
 
It isn't all over the place there, not when I drive it anyway. Simply put, it's not a car for everyone, you need to know what your doing to drive it, it drives like nothing else in the game, if your not good enough it will bite your head off. I've spent literally ages practicing with that car and I can get consistent low 7 min laps at the Ring in a stock one.
 
live4speed
:lol: I've lapped the ring in a stock Speed 12 a hell of a lot faster than that, faster than the ZZII time as well. You really do need patience with that car but if you can handle ityou can pull off some astonishing times with it. Like Famine said, it's not a bad handling car, it's jsut that your aproaching corners a hell of alot faster than you are in any other raod car in the game, that means you have to increase your braking distance, a lot of people drive it and try to brake at the same point as they would in any other supercar, but any other supercar isn't going as fast as the Speed 12 is on approach to that corner ;). Personally, I think the 12 is one of the best cars in the game.
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With the speed 12 i bought it especilly for the test (because awile ago there was a thread arguing about the best car on the game ZZII vs Speed 12) and the tvr event, i hadnt really come to terms with the handling, but yes i know it could lap extremelly fast in the hands of someone like the stig.

EDIT : It is all over the place when you consider the fact its on sport medium tyres and on a track based on a snake

George
 
The ZZII is a better car in that it's much, much more user friendly and controlable, the lap times each can pull stock, I've found the 12 is faster at the Ring, fully tuend the tables turn and the ZZII becomes the faster lapping car. That's my experience of them both though anyway.
 
I use a tuned Speed 12 to race against the LMP cars in the real circuit tours, good fun.
 
The comparison is mainly good but I would have liked to see at least the Zonda in, maybe the Saleen too. They are very fast, albeit very expensive, cars.

I have to add my opinion about the Speed 12 too, the handling isn't rubbish but it's very different to anything else and this must be considered when trying to get everything out of it as live4speed said. In straight line it will slaughter most of the opponents, even some LMP's. :)

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well the tommy karia is amazing with the RB26DETT motor adn the Attessa ETS PRO out of a skyline GT-R

i'll be editing this soon with a cpmoarason of some other cars to add to this debate. like the Ford GT and the Dodge Viper GTS-R
 
Hey when testing tuned cars, make sure that they are close in PTW. If PTW's are close , then it's up to the handling of the cars to determine the overall victor, wished they included a grip rating for those tires, so you can set those equally too.

I've tested the S7, ZZII, M5, Ford GT '02-'05, all vipers, Corvette Z06; they are all tuned to match PTW's. The S7 and ZZII PTW's are rather close, the Kaira has acceleration over the S7, the Ford GT '05 is ridiculously powerful, just really skittish. I think I'll match other supercars with similar PTW's against the Speed 12 and fit them with R2's. Be back next week with some results I hope.
 
I guess this kind of comparison all comes down to how experienced you are at the time of the comparison.

I've done 7'22 on the ring in the M5 myself... and I personally feel that the weight doesn't hamper it at all on SMs.

live4speed contends that there's nothing wrong with the Speed12 at all. After spending a few months learning throttle control, I've started to agree with him, partially, that is. :lol:

While I still can't get a solid lap in with the TVR myself (I'm a sucker for punishment, nowadays, I only drive on N3s with the TCS off), I find that it's much faster when you do turn the TCS on.

When you're not concentrating furiously on your throttle control, the TVR is grippy and precise. It's understeery because, like all TVRs, it's a light car with a big engine up front, but go slow in and fast out, and it's very fast.

Whether it can beat the Tommykaira or the SLR is another matter entirely, depending on the type of track and the type of tires used. On lower grip tires, the lack of traction and subsequent lack of acceleration (even with TCS on) hampers this car badly. Unless you're like Mr. live4speed, who apparently has excellent throttle control (yes, man, I do remember! :lol: ), you're not going to get excellent times out of this on street tires.

On race tires, that may well be another story.
 
well i chose to compare 3 cars that are ture japanese supercars in the eyes of many. the GT-R. but before you read this please note i'm not good on the ring.

Car: 2000 Nismo GT-R S-tune (R32)
HP: 409
CR: 90,000
Times
Nur: 8'00.217
400m: 0'12.207
Top Speed:189.87mph
Comments: An Amazing car a true godzilla. when running on the ring you real learn to apprechiate the Attessa AWD system and RB motor. it is slower than the other cars posted here but with the money you save it is a better buy.



Car:1996 Nismo 400R (R33)
HP: 401
CR: alittle time and effort
Times
Nur:8'13.679
400m:13.207
Top Speed: 179.95mph
Comments: I personally love the 400R and every R33 but simply put this car was mush worse than the S-tune. but i would still choose this car because of the RBX-GT2 motor.

Car:1999 Nismo GT-R R-Tune (R34)
HP: 458
CR: 125,000
Times
Nur:7'53.534
400m:0'12.327
Top Speed:189.50mph
Comments: it doesn't take long to relize whyn they call the R34 the best GT-R ever made. this R-tune is an amazing peice of GT-R tech. when compared to tyhe others it seems alittle price for a GT-R but it is well worth the cost.

Standings

Nurburgring

Tommykaira : 7.22
Mercesdes :7.26
BMW M5 : 7.41
TVR Speed 12 : 7.42
Nismo R-tune : 7'53
Nismo S-tune : 8'00
Nismo 400R : 8'13

Max Speed

TVR Speed 12 : 228.83 mph
Mercesdes : 215.14 mph
Tommykaira : 209.21 mph
BMW M5 : 200.90 mph
Nismo S-tune : 189.87mph
Nismo R-Tune : 189.50mph
Nismo 400R : 179.95mph

400 Meters

Tommykaira : 10.937 seconds
Mercesdes : 11.519 seconds
Nismo S-tune : 0'12.207 seconds
Nismo R-tune : 0'12.327 seconds
BMW M5 : 12.570 seconds
TVR Speed 12 : 13.133 seconds
Nismo 400R : 13.207 seconds

Prices

Nismo 400R : --- (alittle time and effort)
Nismo S-tune : 90,000
BMW M5 : 116,650
Nismo R-Tune : 125,000
TVR Speed 12 : 259,970
Tommykaira : 500,000
Mercesdes : 610,000

HP

TVR Speed 12 : 799
Mercesdes : 616
Tommykaira : 551
BMW M5 : 505
Nismo R-tune : 458
Nismo S-tune : 409
Nismo 400R : 401


To Conclude...

if you're looking for a fast road car, and don't care about price, buy the Tommykaira ZZ-II, it's good in nearly every way exept speed, which can easily be tuned to go faster.

If you want value for money, buy a BMW M5 and tune it a bit, its an exellent car and is only a quarter of the Tommykaira's price.

The Mercesdes is a great car but extremelly expensive, you should only buy this if you really want to.

The TVR has bad handling, lots of wheelspin and is twice the BMW's price, only buy it if you want to or need it for an event


The Nismo GT-R S-tune is posible the best bang for the buck out of all of these.

The Nismo GT-R R-tune is a high performance car but is alittle on the expensive side. is more for dominating the race of the red emblem that anything else.

The Nismo 400R is the penical of R33s but unless you want to drift or know your R33s you might want to leave this car to being a show car for photomode pics.
 
SouthSideSlider
well i chose to compare 3 cars that are ture Japanese supercars
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I know you didn't mean anything by it, but please reframe from using the word "Japanese" It is a very racists comment, to people of the Japanese culture.
 
SouthSideSlider - Shall I add the three japanese cars to the tables in post #1?

George


Cars that still need testing; NONE
 
George thats would be great and try and test the ford GT in with your other cars. and i'll run a different supercar the Spirra...

you might want to add my HP stands.
 
I have no money now, thinking the Sallen was around 200,000 it's 400,000.
I've added the RUF CTR aswell now.


EDIT : SouthSideSlider - I'm going to add BHP board ASAP
 
-When I get GT4 back I'll post a .max file of a lap of me at the ring going faster than any of thoes posted times. SouthSideSlider I don't see the point in having three Skylines in the comparison, pick the best one, not that that's even in this league of cars, you want a Japanese supercar besides the Tommy Kaira, you haven't got much choice, the R390 road car will be competitive on the Ring, but stockit lacks the power for the speed tests.
 
live4speed
-When I get GT4 back I'll post a .max file of a lap of me at the ring going faster than any of thoes posted times. SouthSideSlider I don't see the point in having three Skylines in the comparison, pick the best one, not that that's even in this league of cars, you want a Japanese supercar besides the Tommy Kaira, you haven't got much choice, the R390 road car will be competitive on the Ring, but stockit lacks the power for the speed tests.
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Don't need a file of your times, I could go faster in most of the cars once I get used to them,
A rules which I'll put in post #1 was I had one attempt in each car, so if I made a mitake I could'nt restart.
Don't think of me as a crap driver think of me as an 8/10
 
well i was out of practice i think is had been in the zone and not have been off the PS2 for nearly a month then i could have eather stayed with or beat the times of the tommykaira and such when i ran i was about a 6/10. Live4speed the reason i placed 3 GT-Rs into this battle is i want to see what the car offically known as the ture Japanese supercar would far and using all three was because the difference in the handling of each of them.
 
i love the speed 12, is a great car if u have abilities WITH THAT CAR!! i try and try and try many many times before i can win one race, and now... i can bet all with this car.... try to tuned it up and regulate his shocks.... tires.... and principally wings.......
 
Just went into arcade mode with he Speed 12 on SM tires and TCS on.
One lap around the Nür and with a few grass slips and some sideways action pulled in 7:19:802, second time on the Nür with the British Beast. Could have gotten a faster time if it weren't for the loss of control on the final downhill, bouncing wildly at 220mph. This car is nuts, would never use this in any kind of endurance, lol. It can burn rubber in 4 out of 6 gears, what kind of torque is this thing putting down.

Saleen S7 in arcade mode, SM, no TCS.
One Lap around the Nür, a couple of grass trips, pulled in a time of 7:12:274, car is slightly understeery if throttle is applied too soon, the Speed 12 feels more directable, but the S7 is consistantly stable, this cars power deliver is very good, especially when compared to the Speed 12.

The Spirra? That car is hella underpowered for this, and it's as hard as the Ford GT to control on the Nür.
 
Over 700lbs ft of torque. George I didn't mean to imply that your skills were lacking, just that a stock Speed 12 is capable of sub 7 min lap times in the right hands, which is a claim not many cars in GT can claim to do.
 

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