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[Dr_Watson]

Should the second race based on previous results or something else?

Whenever this comes up I'm always shocked at the amount of support that comes out for all manner of things but the next race being a continuation of the first. Always mind boggling considering the most logical thing to do is take a break and pick up where you left off.
Starting over at quali positions and reverse grids punish success. Which I can never wrap my head around how many people are a fan of that.

 

[Doodle]

Starting over at quali positions and reverse grids punish success. Which I can never wrap my head around how many people are a fan of that.

Yes, but it mixes things up a bit. The faster guys have the speed that they showed from the first race, but it will show them how to deal with all the slower traffic in front of them at the start of race two. That way, the overall winner will be someone who has pace and can pass quickly and cleanly, rather than just someone with pace.

 

[Motor City Hami]

I have race events in SCCA that went like this.

Qualifying all as one group for 15 min.
Race one grid based on single fastest qualifying lap.
Race two grid based on finishing position from race one.
Feature race grid based on single fastest lap from previous three on track sessions from the weekend.

These are my favorite events for some reason.

 

[Dr_Watson]

I have race events in SCCA that went like this.

Qualifying all as one group for 15 min.
Race one grid based on single fastest qualifying lap.
Race two grid based on finishing position from race one.
Feature race grid based on single fastest lap from previous three on track sessions from the weekend.

These are my favorite events for some reason.

That would be cool. Use race1 fast laps as quali for race 2. Would only work in gt with someone in watch screen or backing out to check the replay. I could get behind that idea though.

Yes, but it mixes things up a bit. The faster guys have the speed that they showed from the first race, but it will show them how to deal with all the slower traffic in front of them at the start of race two. That way, the overall winner will be someone who has pace and can pass quickly and cleanly, rather than just someone with pace.

People tend to think that, but I've never seen it true in practice. You're forgetting that front runners know how to pass people. All putting them at the back does is delay thier real race for a few laps and create opportunities for crashes.

 

[Wardez]

I have race events in SCCA that went like this.

Qualifying all as one group for 15 min.
Race one grid based on single fastest qualifying lap.
Race two grid based on finishing position from race one.
Feature race grid based on single fastest lap from previous three on track sessions from the weekend.

These are my favorite events for some reason.

!!!!!
That would be extremely cool, what a format. Leave it to the SCCA to come up with the awesome unique club racing format, I gotta look into those different club series formats irl more. Thanks for sharing that, that's a bad ass format.

 

[Motor City Hami]

!!!!!
That would be extremely cool, what a format. Leave it to the SCCA to come up with the awesome unique club racing format, I gotta look into those different club series formats irl more. Thanks for sharing that, that's a bad ass format.

It is a really cool way to do it. Now apply this to your practice event from Saturday. Take the racer who lagged out of the first event - finished 16th. Let's say that he ran the fastest lap of anyone in race one, but lagged out half-way through. What a difference in starting position for race two if the grid were set on fastest lap time.

This format is awesome from a racer perspective. Now if we could find an easy way to capture everyone's fastest lap time between race one and two.

 

[Wardez]

RT would just need to back out of the room to check the replay real quick.

 

[Dr_Watson]

RT would just need to back out of the room to check the replay real quick.

He's not driving, can just grab a photo from the watch mode timing screen toward the end of the race.

 

[adeadsnipermatt]

Why is Turbo not driving? Did he say why? I thought Spec Miata was one of his more favored series.

 

[quade420]

The main reason I came out against the second race being based on the previous results is because it doesn't seem to work. As I said, I finished the first race in 7th and started the second in 8th.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Alright guys, updated the series info link with the room settings since I converted that link into the drivers list. Updated the room settings to reflect the new format with reverse grid for the second race.

We still have a few spots open for the early time slot, and quite a few available for the later time slot. On Wednesday I will be going through this thread and PM'ing anyone that said they were interested but haven't signed up yet so we can fill up the rooms. 👍

 

[the_saint8]

The early race that I signed up for starts at 1pm EST, I'm hoping everything will be completed by 3pm EST, as I have to be ready to go out the door for work.

 

[CSLACR]

Should the second race based on previous results or something else?

Whenever this comes up I'm always shocked at the amount of support that comes out for all manner of things but the next race being a continuation of the first. Always mind boggling considering the most logical thing to do is take a break and pick up where you left off.
Starting over at quali positions and reverse grids punish success. Which I can never wrap my head around how many people are a fan of that.

People like the idea of having a greater chance of success. I think that's 100% of it really. The fast guys say, "I'll win anyway", the sorta fast guys say "At least if I crash I have a shot at winning race 2", and the slower guys say, "Maybe I can hold off x and x and finish xth".

I like MCH's SCCA

I have race events in SCCA that went like this.

Qualifying all as one group for 15 min.
Race one grid based on single fastest qualifying lap.
Race two grid based on finishing position from race one.
Feature race grid based on single fastest lap from previous three on track sessions from the weekend.

These are my favorite events for some reason.

 

[carracerptp]

People like the idea of having a greater chance of success. I think that's 100% of it really. The fast guys say, "I'll win anyway, Backmarkers will go off in turn 1. I'll pass everyone else in turn 2", the sorta fast guys say "At least if I don't win race 1, I can park it and let everyone pass. Then I have a shot at winning race 2", and the slower guys say, "Maybe I can hold them all off, it's only 11 laps...".

Fixed

 

[adeadsnipermatt]

Fixed

I'm sorry but I feel what carracer put is so true. I legit thought about what if I were to slow down for a chance to win race two.

 

[carracerptp]

I'm sorry but I feel what carracer put is so true. I legit thought about what if I were to slow down for a chance to win race two.

I was mostly joking. Still I have only seen about 3 people do it in a series.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I'll be keeping an eye on people. Obviously if someone appears to be struggling and finishes in the back for race 1 and then wins race 2, it'll clearly look suspicious. Not to mention you're better off in points with two good finishes than one good and one bad.

 

[jsjakesaid]

What this needs is double points for race 1 though, like in real life... the red bull kart fight is done in this way, so that the first race is worth more pts so you wont have people backing off to win the 2nd one

 

[BrosifDuder]

So if I fail to qualify for the first group can I attempt to quali for group two? There's an awful lot of fast people signed up for the earlier time slot.

 

[CodeRedR51]

What this needs is double points for race 1 though, like in real life... the red bull kart fight is done in this way, so that the first race is worth more pts so you wont have people backing off to win the 2nd one

Something to think about.

So if I fail to qualify for the first group can I attempt to quali for group two? There's an awful lot of fast people signed up for the earlier time slot.

If you can do the later slot, I think you can just re-register and it will overwrite your old registration.

 

[BrosifDuder]

Something to think about.

If you can do the later slot, I think you can just re-register and it will overwrite your old registration.

I was just joking dude. But I wouldn't mind rumbling with Eddie.

 

[Dr_Watson]

I was just joking dude. But I wouldn't mind rumbling with Eddie.

I was actually also considering a move to give him some company and balance the #'s a bit.
Rather surprised Rich isn't on that list also??

 

[CodeRedR51]

I was actually also considering a move to give him some company and balance the #'s a bit.
Rather surprised Rich isn't on that list also??

Haven't seen him around here at all, just on the PURE site.

 

[BrosifDuder]

All I want to do is get behind the wheel but these inconvenient holidays keep getting in the way.

 

[BrosifDuder]

Anybody want to practice?

Room closed

 

[adeadsnipermatt]

Anybody want to practice?

Room closed

I went to bed the second you opened that room

I will online around 8:00pm EST tonight. Anyone want to practice then?

 

[BrosifDuder]

I went to bed the second you opened that room

I will online around 8:00pm EST tonight. Anyone want to practice then?

I should be on. I am still trying to decide between one of the '89s and the '97 so I plan to spend some time at a few of the tracks on the schedule.

 

[CodeRedR51]

So many 89's and 97's already, go for the 91.

 

[adeadsnipermatt]

So many 89's and 97's already, go for the 91.

I agree the 91 in my option has the coolest strips

 

[BrosifDuder]

So many 89's and 97's already, go for the 91.

I agree the 91 in my option has the coolest strips

The '95 is actually still in the running but that damn '91 pushes too much straight out of the box for me to even want to think about using it.


Basically, I have to decide if the extra torque from the 1.8 liter is worth anything to me.