◆ SNAIL [DriveTrain Challenge - DTC] Racing - Closed
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- Cranbrook, BC
- tezgm99
Tentative lineup -
FF - Mitsubishi Eclipse GT '06 (438PP)
FR - Toyota FT-86 G Sports Concept '10 (483PP)
MR/RR - Lotus Evora '09 (468PP)
4WD - Nismo Skyline GTR R-tune '99 (518PP)
Total - 1907PP
Edit; joby reminded me about the 'reward' for being rubbish so I'll take the +10PP and sort it out between now and next Monday
FF - Mitsubishi Eclipse GT '06 (438PP)
FR - Toyota FT-86 G Sports Concept '10 (483PP)
MR/RR - Lotus Evora '09 (468PP)
4WD - Nismo Skyline GTR R-tune '99 (518PP)
Total - 1907PP
Edit; joby reminded me about the 'reward' for being rubbish so I'll take the +10PP and sort it out between now and next Monday
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- 3,613
- New England
- jobyone71
Right now I am leaving up to the individual. I would suggest that you take the +1 tire option and run RH for the four races and we will see how you do. So run 1900 PP. or if you prefer run 1940 PP. if you are going to run the RH let me know and I will drop the +40 from the spreadsheet so it calculates correctly
- 7,711
- Indiana-USA
- OwensRacing
Great photos!!!
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- NJ
- koszak27
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- New England
- jobyone71
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- New England
- jobyone71
Official Announcement
Hey Cappers. I only just noticed but two of the lineups from Monday were over the 1740 PP. This would have affected the overall results. That being said the main thing is to be having fun and I think we had that last week.
I will ask that everyone take the time to use the spreadsheet to make sure your lineup is within the known PP limit. In a particular if you use
This sheet
it will allow you to quickly input your lineup and will give you the total PP.
This sheet
has all the known PP sorted by drivetrain then by PP and is a good tool to find your ideal car.
If you have any comments or suggestions for the data presentation please let me know as I am planning on doing some revisions.
Hey Cappers. I only just noticed but two of the lineups from Monday were over the 1740 PP. This would have affected the overall results. That being said the main thing is to be having fun and I think we had that last week.
I will ask that everyone take the time to use the spreadsheet to make sure your lineup is within the known PP limit. In a particular if you use
This sheet
it will allow you to quickly input your lineup and will give you the total PP.
This sheet
has all the known PP sorted by drivetrain then by PP and is a good tool to find your ideal car.
If you have any comments or suggestions for the data presentation please let me know as I am planning on doing some revisions.
- 7,711
- Indiana-USA
- OwensRacing
My lotus was 463. The sheet had the pp new with oil change. Which is what I used. I didn't go over PP. if appreciate that being noted and not or penalized as I didn't cheat. What really sucks. I had taken video of my cars before race one showing my PP. two nights ago I deleted it as I need space for a 7min video I was making.
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I took video of the Lotus. Date acquired and miles as well its current PP. sorry for low quality not around wifi and it won't let me load HD on 4G. Stupid YouTube.
http://youtu.be/2izQd4YA2R8
As well the RS200 is 439pp when you have a good model. I had one at 438pp and used it as per the sheet. However the accurate PP should be 439.
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- New England
- jobyone71
My lotus was 463. The sheet had the pp new with oil change. Which is what I used. I didn't go over PP. if appreciate that being noted and not or penalized as I didn't cheat. What really sucks. I had taken video of my cars before race one showing my PP. two nights ago I deleted it as I need space for a 7min video I was making.
As well the RS200 is 439pp when you have a good model. I had one at 438pp and used it as per the sheet. However the accurate PP should be 439.
Owens,
I can see where there could be a bit of confusion. When a car has nbi against it that means the car has less than 200 miles and I have not been able to confirm if it is in fact broken in (which only applies to Standards). For premiums it should mean that they are new and have an oil change but 0 miles. I will check when I get home but I imagine the Evora has a PP of 463 when new, 468 with oil change and probably 473 when broken in.
The process of checking every car and making sure they are broken in is a bit time consuming. The spreadsheet currently has 208 cars listed as nbi. If I was able to run one car every day to break it in it will take me 7 months to get those values correct. I am trying to update those values as I can but it does take some time. None of those values will go down and most will of course go up. There are also 126 high mileage cars that the Known PP will likely go up as I find low mileage examples.
While I understand that your Lotus may have had 463 (464 in the video with 45 miles) it is the broken in the value (or the current known PP value as per the spreadsheet) which is 468 that we use to base the PP. The reason this decision was made is to ensure that we all have the same cars at our disposal. Think about it like this. If I had wanted to run the same lineup as you but my Lotus had a PP value of 468 I would be over the PP limit. Since we do not allow limiting this means I could not run the same cars as you.
I am in no way implying that you were cheating and I do not for a second believe that 5 PP would have made any difference to the results. However we must have some way to ensure that we all have the same set of cars that we can run. That is why the spreadsheet was born. It is still not 100% accurate (I have adjusted the RS200) but it is the current accepted values that we will use as the PP. It is also why I would ask everyone to input there cars into the Monday lineup sheet. I try and do that for people if they post the lineups in the thread. If I see any overage I will try to point that out. This week I did not notice the overages and for that I am sorry.
I hope this will not tarnish your view on this series as having you race is a great pleasure and a real challenge to keep up with you.
- 7,711
- Indiana-USA
- OwensRacing
I am positive the list I looked at had 463pp for the car. I knew it was the PP new with oil changed when I purchased it and changed oil. However it was what was listed and it fit the bill.
Basically all I'm saying is I didn't use a 468pp car and go over 5pp. My total was spot on and I used numbers from the list. :/
I totally get that the numbers are a work in progress. Ill try and help get figured to you if I see anything higher then what listed.
No worries. I just didn't want anyone to think I cheated. Only thing I wanted to be clear. My integrity is very important. I preach to my children, don't lie, don't cheat, and don't steal! Follow that and life will treat you well.
Basically all I'm saying is I didn't use a 468pp car and go over 5pp. My total was spot on and I used numbers from the list. :/
I totally get that the numbers are a work in progress. Ill try and help get figured to you if I see anything higher then what listed.
No worries. I just didn't want anyone to think I cheated. Only thing I wanted to be clear. My integrity is very important. I preach to my children, don't lie, don't cheat, and don't steal! Follow that and life will treat you well.
- 4,499
- Tampa, Fl
- Ice_Warden
Well there may have been an issue with the list when Owens looked at it because I know we had a big problem with the list sorting etc last week. The scoring sheet was ALL messed up.
Bottom line is we know Owens is no cheater. And the list is a work in progress. I used a restore coupon on my RS200 to get it back to 435 and now I am going to break it in to get it up to maximum.
Bottom line is we know Owens is no cheater. And the list is a work in progress. I used a restore coupon on my RS200 to get it back to 435 and now I am going to break it in to get it up to maximum.
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- New England
- jobyone71
Help on the spreadsheet would be... well... helpful.
I am trying to make sure that I can verify every PP value. Currently I have confirmed only 407 cars This tends to mean that someone else posted a value and I have been able to match the numbers with my cars or I have a car I know is in the correct window of mileage (200-9000) and that it has an engine rebuild. Every time the OCD refreshes I am buying every car and confirming the value. I also check the UCD every time it refreshes and buy cars with less than 9000k miles and performing a rebuild on them. And trust me I would rather be driving than doing that.
So we have:
206 cars that we need to confirm the broken in PP value
126 cars that we need a low mileage example of (less than 9000 miles)
and roughly 60 that we have a value for but I have no idea if it is accurate in any way (the ones with no confirmed by next to them and no mileage listed)
So lets call it 400 cars. If you can get values for any of those cars that are more accurate just post them on the thread. Or if you are a duper send them to me
I would like to focus on the Premiums (NBI) and the ones that are unverified.
Any help would be appreciated.
And I can only tell you how much I am looking forward to doing this all over again when GT6 comes out and PP Cap moves to GT6
I am trying to make sure that I can verify every PP value. Currently I have confirmed only 407 cars
This tends to mean that someone else posted a value and I have been able to match the numbers with my cars or I have a car I know is in the correct window of mileage (200-9000) and that it has an engine rebuild. Every time the OCD refreshes I am buying every car and confirming the value. I also check the UCD every time it refreshes and buy cars with less than 9000k miles and performing a rebuild on them. And trust me I would rather be driving than doing that.So we have:
206 cars that we need to confirm the broken in PP value
126 cars that we need a low mileage example of (less than 9000 miles)
and roughly 60 that we have a value for but I have no idea if it is accurate in any way (the ones with no confirmed by next to them and no mileage listed)
So lets call it 400 cars. If you can get values for any of those cars that are more accurate just post them on the thread. Or if you are a duper send them to me
I would like to focus on the Premiums (NBI) and the ones that are unverified.
Any help would be appreciated.
And I can only tell you how much I am looking forward to doing this all over again when GT6 comes out and PP Cap moves to GT6
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- Cranbrook, BC
- tezgm99
Hah, the extra one PP will see my Evora triumph over yours, Ken
Edit; some cars for the Nbi list -
Alfa TZ2 de Zagato '65 (501 with 240 miles)
Alfa 155 V6 TI '93 (546 with 650 miles)
Amuse Carbon R '04 (575 with 900 miles)
Audi R10 TDI (680 with 250 miles)
Bentley Speed 8 (715 with 2700 miles)
BMW M3 '04 (476 with 2500 miles)
Chaparral 2D (632 with 2600 miles)
Chevy Camaro Z28 '69 (458 with 220 miles)
Chevy Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 (549 with 200 miles)
Citroën Xsara Rally Car (497 with 500 miles)
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Sent to Jobyone, but posting here to prevent duplicating efforts:
[ All cars below are oil changed, engine rebuilt if any PP was available.
I wish the Polyphony guys had to do this... Things could get soooo much easier!
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Mercedes SL 55 AMG '02 - oil change only, not broken in - 512 PP @ 0 miles
High End G37 - 561 PP @ 229 miles
GT Citroen Road Car -575 PP @ 190 miles
Ford Focus RS WRC - oil change only, not broken in - 511 PP @ 0 miles
Nissan GT-R V-Spec II (R32) '94 - 463 PP @ 193 miles
Standard Cars:
CZ-3 Tarmac confirm 511 PP @ 1,178 miles
Mitsubishi 3000GT MR (J) '98 - 461 PP @ 12,256 miles, rebuilt
Honda NSX Type S Zero '97 - 460 PP @ 15,290 miles
Nissan 350Z (Z33, US) '03 - 467 PP @ 9,773 miles
Nissan Skyline GT-R M-spec (R34) '01 - 474 PP @ 5,935 miles
RUF CTR "Yellow Bird" '87 - 534 PP @ 12,256 miles
[ All cars below are oil changed, engine rebuilt if any PP was available.
I wish the Polyphony guys had to do this... Things could get soooo much easier!
Premium
Mercedes SL 55 AMG '02 - oil change only, not broken in - 512 PP @ 0 miles
High End G37 - 561 PP @ 229 miles
GT Citroen Road Car -575 PP @ 190 miles
Ford Focus RS WRC - oil change only, not broken in - 511 PP @ 0 miles
Nissan GT-R V-Spec II (R32) '94 - 463 PP @ 193 miles
Standard Cars:
CZ-3 Tarmac confirm 511 PP @ 1,178 miles
Mitsubishi 3000GT MR (J) '98 - 461 PP @ 12,256 miles, rebuilt
Honda NSX Type S Zero '97 - 460 PP @ 15,290 miles
Nissan 350Z (Z33, US) '03 - 467 PP @ 9,773 miles
Nissan Skyline GT-R M-spec (R34) '01 - 474 PP @ 5,935 miles
RUF CTR "Yellow Bird" '87 - 534 PP @ 12,256 miles
