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I also should have a track on share. I have some 15 odd tracks ranging from drift, to touge, to rally. I was also thinking along the same lines (SH will be the tire) and running a double elimination bracket, but we need more then 6 people to participate for that.
 
I have a good touge track on share too. Devils bend is the name. As for that as a Friday event I would be there.
Driftin nice video. Were gonna be famous!
 
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Dragon, what i mean is half hour earlier than what we're doing now but aparently doesnt work for Tez so we just leave it the way it is.
 
Just because I believe it needed to be said. I went through it again and re-typed it all up. For your consideration, amusement and derision.

Since D3 seems to have been the bulk of the Steward Summary the last few weeks, I feel compelled to point out some shining examples of gracious, gentlemanly driving. These examples are from Round 1 Race 1 from 04 August 2013. Since my skills at video editing are 50 times worse than my driving skills in GT5, which is to say, virtually non-existant, and I have no idea how to get a video from my TV/PS3 to a hosting site for such, I'll include time stamps and names. If you can get your hands on the replays and/or edit the video and post it up, be my guest.

0:19 - 0:32 - The entire 14 man crew gets through the hairpin on lap 1 without incident, even if Rally appeared to be driving an S2000 racecar. ;)

1:03 - I tap the wall on the left and scrub off more speed than I should, take a mid-wide line through, while schmiggz, whom I'm fully expecting to go shooting by, keeps it down low. How he didn't shoot past me before the sweeper, I have no idea.

1:12 - dragonwhisky, Wolfsatz, schmiggz, chatva and o10231994 are 3 wide and 3 deep heading in to the right sweeper. Little rubbing, a little ghosting, but no one lost control or gained a position from either and we all got through even though the running order did change.

1:22 - In the loop, o10231994 avoids hitting schmiggz by jumping out wide. There were some shenanigans after he went wide but I wanted to illustrate his effort to sacrifice his inside line for possible contact.

1:34 - Schmiggz thinks about a pass underneath Dragonwhisky, or maybe that's his normal line through the chicane, either way, from my view, it looked like the beginning of a pass attempt, but he lets it go and waits to see if I'll tank it.

1:37 - ONESPACE smacks the right wall coming out of the chicane. He keeps it over there, even going so far as to rub the wall a little more, loses 2 positions, but waits until he's back up to speed before joining the racing line. One of the best examples of a safe re-entry, on a track such as this, ever.

2:22 - Schmiggz gets a run on me on the back stretch, has more than sufficient overlap by turn in, I brake earlier than I normally would, mostly hoping he won't notice and overcook his entry and give me the spot back, he doesn't, but we both get through the turn without any drama and carry on.

2:46 - Thanks to a better exit and a little draft I get a run on schmiggz. While not, strictly speaking, having overlap by turn in, schmiggz is kind enough to not dive for the inside, I stay tight on the in side, schmiggz rides out the mid lane apex and we both get away with no contact and I have the position. I perfect example of gracious driving.

2:55 - Since I stayed to the right all the way down the straight schmiggz stays tight on my left rear quarter and when my poor entry to the loop helps me go wide, he squirts by underneath in a clean "I'll have that back, thank you" pass.

4:17 - Schmiggz catches a door on the right wall as he passes the apex, bounces off, gathers it back up and maintains his lateral position on the track, he knows I'm there and doesn't change his line at all and I go by safely on his right. Another bit of graciousness that is schmiggz.

7:41 - We've (schmiggz and I) caught tezgm99 and I've got a good run on him, have more than overlap on the right, but just like earlier with schmiggz, it's a poor entrance position, tez gives me room and literally outbrakes me as we go side by side through the kink to the right and into the loop. He stays low on his line, I stay out wide on mine and he takes the position back. Meanwhile, schmiggz is back there giggling, probably maniacally, that I tried that line, again, and thinks to take advantage, gives me a rub, which doesn't upset my car but it causes him to lose some momentum on the exit and I escape his clutches for a little while.

9:36 - I strike the right barrier on entrance to that thrice damned chicane, rub the wall on the way out, schmiggz lets me get squared away, I check the rear view to see which side he's gonna take me on, see he eases left then back to the right and I ease left and down the straight we go side by side.

9:58 - Since schmiggz has a nose in the lead by now I let out, again hoping he'll overcook the entry into the hairpin and I can slide by, he keeps it tight and right and we go on around. Now I'm pinning my hopes to get past him in the turn I seem to get a better exit than he usually does. By the time we get there I'm not close enough for a run to matter and he nails it as good or better than me and the race for 7th is essentially his. He teases me a little and goes a tad wide in the loop but it's not enough. He's better at the chicane than I so, unless something catastrophic happens to him or in front of him, 7th is all his.

All that might have sounded a bit like a shmiggz love fest. I will say I took the events I remembered from the race and focused my comments from them. I'm certain there were more battles elsewhere on the track and in other races, that were equally respectful and gracious. This is not to say there was not, less than exemplary racecraft in this race, but that isn't what this essay is about.

Now, I said all that to say this; That, was as much fun as I've ever had in a race. I'd much rather have a good clean battle for 7th, than run away with 1st, (even if that has it's own type of satisfaction, it's just not as much fun).

You can decide to give room to your brother SNAILs, whether they have corner rights or not, and you will get to race. Or, you can choose not to, and instead of racing you can spend your time ghosting, crashing, and, if you so decide, incident reporting. Rest assured, the Steward Corp will always look at the incidents reported and we will not hesitate to penalize whomever we determine is at fault, regardless of who made the report.

I'll close this little essay with the following axiom - "Race with Dignity, Race with Pace, Above All Else, Race with Grace"

Dragonwhisky Out.

Literally. I'm gonna take a nap now.

Here's the video, I hope you guys enjoy it!

 
Kcheeb, That was awesome! Thanks a ton for getting that video up where folks could see it.

Mopar440,

You did do well then.
 
Just because I believe it needed to be said. I went through it again and re-typed it all up. For your consideration, amusement and derision.

Since D3 seems to have been the bulk of the Steward Summary the last few weeks, I feel compelled to point out some shining examples of gracious, gentlemanly driving. These examples are from Round 1 Race 1 from 04 August 2013. Since my skills at video editing are 50 times worse than my driving skills in GT5, which is to say, virtually non-existant, and I have no idea how to get a video from my TV/PS3 to a hosting site for such, I'll include time stamps and names. If you can get your hands on the replays and/or edit the video and post it up, be my guest.

0:19 - 0:32 - The entire 14 man crew gets through the hairpin on lap 1 without incident, even if Rally appeared to be driving an S2000 racecar. ;)

1:03 - I tap the wall on the left and scrub off more speed than I should, take a mid-wide line through, while schmiggz, whom I'm fully expecting to go shooting by, keeps it down low. How he didn't shoot past me before the sweeper, I have no idea.

1:12 - dragonwhisky, Wolfsatz, schmiggz, chatva and o10231994 are 3 wide and 3 deep heading in to the right sweeper. Little rubbing, a little ghosting, but no one lost control or gained a position from either and we all got through even though the running order did change.

1:22 - In the loop, o10231994 avoids hitting schmiggz by jumping out wide. There were some shenanigans after he went wide but I wanted to illustrate his effort to sacrifice his inside line for possible contact.

1:34 - Schmiggz thinks about a pass underneath Dragonwhisky, or maybe that's his normal line through the chicane, either way, from my view, it looked like the beginning of a pass attempt, but he lets it go and waits to see if I'll tank it.

1:37 - ONESPACE smacks the right wall coming out of the chicane. He keeps it over there, even going so far as to rub the wall a little more, loses 2 positions, but waits until he's back up to speed before joining the racing line. One of the best examples of a safe re-entry, on a track such as this, ever.

2:22 - Schmiggz gets a run on me on the back stretch, has more than sufficient overlap by turn in, I brake earlier than I normally would, mostly hoping he won't notice and overcook his entry and give me the spot back, he doesn't, but we both get through the turn without any drama and carry on.

2:46 - Thanks to a better exit and a little draft I get a run on schmiggz. While not, strictly speaking, having overlap by turn in, schmiggz is kind enough to not dive for the inside, I stay tight on the in side, schmiggz rides out the mid lane apex and we both get away with no contact and I have the position. I perfect example of gracious driving.

2:55 - Since I stayed to the right all the way down the straight schmiggz stays tight on my left rear quarter and when my poor entry to the loop helps me go wide, he squirts by underneath in a clean "I'll have that back, thank you" pass.

4:17 - Schmiggz catches a door on the right wall as he passes the apex, bounces off, gathers it back up and maintains his lateral position on the track, he knows I'm there and doesn't change his line at all and I go by safely on his right. Another bit of graciousness that is schmiggz.

7:41 - We've (schmiggz and I) caught tezgm99 and I've got a good run on him, have more than overlap on the right, but just like earlier with schmiggz, it's a poor entrance position, tez gives me room and literally outbrakes me as we go side by side through the kink to the right and into the loop. He stays low on his line, I stay out wide on mine and he takes the position back. Meanwhile, schmiggz is back there giggling, probably maniacally, that I tried that line, again, and thinks to take advantage, gives me a rub, which doesn't upset my car but it causes him to lose some momentum on the exit and I escape his clutches for a little while.

9:36 - I strike the right barrier on entrance to that thrice damned chicane, rub the wall on the way out, schmiggz lets me get squared away, I check the rear view to see which side he's gonna take me on, see he eases left then back to the right and I ease left and down the straight we go side by side.

9:58 - Since schmiggz has a nose in the lead by now I let out, again hoping he'll overcook the entry into the hairpin and I can slide by, he keeps it tight and right and we go on around. Now I'm pinning my hopes to get past him in the turn I seem to get a better exit than he usually does. By the time we get there I'm not close enough for a run to matter and he nails it as good or better than me and the race for 7th is essentially his. He teases me a little and goes a tad wide in the loop but it's not enough. He's better at the chicane than I so, unless something catastrophic happens to him or in front of him, 7th is all his.

All that might have sounded a bit like a shmiggz love fest. I will say I took the events I remembered from the race and focused my comments from them. I'm certain there were more battles elsewhere on the track and in other races, that were equally respectful and gracious. This is not to say there was not, less than exemplary racecraft in this race, but that isn't what this essay is about.

Now, I said all that to say this; That, was as much fun as I've ever had in a race. I'd much rather have a good clean battle for 7th, than run away with 1st, (even if that has it's own type of satisfaction, it's just not as much fun).

You can decide to give room to your brother SNAILs, whether they have corner rights or not, and you will get to race. Or, you can choose not to, and instead of racing you can spend your time ghosting, crashing, and, if you so decide, incident reporting. Rest assured, the Steward Corp will always look at the incidents reported and we will not hesitate to penalize whomever we determine is at fault, regardless of who made the report.

I'll close this little essay with the following axiom - "Race with Dignity, Race with Pace, Above All Else, Race with Grace"

Dragonwhisky Out.

Literally. I'm gonna take a nap now.

Here's the video, I hope you guys enjoy it!



Dragon and cheeb, thanks to you both for taking the time put that all together (typing it twice for Dragon! :ouch:). Awesome write-up and video, guys! Well done!! :bowdown:
 
I seem to remember someone here asking about getting a wheel and was leaning towards a G27. Might want to take a look here and see if you can make contact.
 
Handlebar
Only to Academy guys, he says.

:grumpy:

He don't want to sell it very bad, does he.
That cuts his customer base down to around 64 people, worldwide. Unless he's including previous years contestants.
 
Since you have the technical ability to do it, and you are looking to teach and promote good racecraft, my humble idea is to post vid of incidents you penalize to show what not to do and why not to do it. You could also give suggestions for what the driver should have done to avoid trouble and exhibit good racecraft.

I wouldn't be interested in vids of blatant divebombs or things like that, I am more interested in close call situations where the proper moves can become confusing. Coaching proper racecraft in those situations would be so helpful in understanding what is expected and thus, what to do to avoid them and a penalty.

Just a thought.
 
Who has the ability?

Just checked out kcheebs video. He definitely has the ability,..probably not the time.
 
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Who has the ability?

Just checked out kcheebs video. He definitely has the ability,..probably not the time.

The real time consuming part of the process is finding those situations.

If I know which week, which race and what time, it becomes reasonably easy to record it. Just have to find the best camera angle(s) to show what we want.

And if someone types up the explanations for the incidents, even better.

Another thing to consider is the affect on the driver that is being displayed as having bad/marginal racecraft. I know penalties are posted, but seeing what's done and seeing a post with -2 points and 2 weeks probation are two different things. Especially when it will be available on Youtube for anyone to see.

Perhaps setting up a night to go through the different situations would be better. Just need to list out what situations we want to have in the video, get 3 or four people together to run the faux races, save the replays and there you go.

Thoughts?

It was just a thought to further the discussion. I have no idea how much time it takes.

And it's a good thought, I had made an attempt at showing some different levels of incidents, but it faltered.

To give you an idea, with having the actual times, races and explanations, it took me about three hours all in to do the video from last night.

Without the times, races and explanations you could easily quadruple that, unless you got lucky in race preview mode :)
 
3 hours is a lot of time. Thanks for making the video.

You're welcome :)

Not so much when it comes to making videos, felt pretty fast to me :lol:

To compare, the intro video took about three weeks of back and forth with zer0 and I (about 10 hours of discussion), I had a good week prior to that getting videos picked and recorded (about 12 hours of watching, recording and editing) then another couple of days (4 hours) of final tweaking to the edit.

It can be time consuming, but something I really enjoy 👍

And even better, will be a huge benefit to S.N.A.I.L.
 
The real time consuming part of the process is finding those situations.

If I know which week, which race and what time, it becomes reasonably easy to record it. Just have to find the best camera angle(s) to show what we want.

And if someone types up the explanations for the incidents, even better.

Another thing to consider is the affect on the driver that is being displayed as having bad/marginal racecraft. I know penalties are posted, but seeing what's done and seeing a post with -2 points and 2 weeks probation are two different things. Especially when it will be available on Youtube for anyone to see.

Perhaps setting up a night to go through the different situations would be better. Just need to list out what situations we want to have in the video, get 3 or four people together to run the faux races, save the replays and there you go.

Thoughts?



And it's a good thought, I had made an attempt at showing some different levels of incidents, but it faltered.

To give you an idea, with having the actual times, races and explanations, it took me about three hours all in to do the video from last night.

Without the times, races and explanations you could easily quadruple that, unless you got lucky in race preview mode :)

I thought the vid was great. That is why I made my suggestion, knowing the skills you guys have. Nice work kcheeb.👍
 
I thought the vid was great. That is why I made my suggestion, knowing the skills you guys have. Nice work kcheeb.👍

Thanks Garagefather :) This needs to happen 👍

Here's a start to situations we should try to cover, feel free to add to it.

1. Concertina effect braking. When in a line of cars, you must brake earlier than your normal point.
2. Draft effect braking. When following a car down a straight, you will be traveling faster than normal, you must brake earlier than your normal point.
3. What do I do when I missed my brake point?
4. I got inside on the guy in front of me in a corner. How do I make sure we don't wreck on corner exit?
5. Going into a braking zone, how do I make sure the guy in front of me, knows I'm there?
6. What's the best way to re-enter the track after having an off?
7. Conceding an ill-gotten position.
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Thanks Garagefather :) This needs to happen 👍

Here's a start to situations we should try to cover, feel free to add to it.

1. Concertina effect braking. When in a line of cars, you must brake earlier than your normal point.
2. Draft effect braking. When following a car down a straight, you will be traveling faster than normal, you must brake earlier than your normal point AAAAAAAAND you no longer have air trying to slow you down drastically increasing your braking distance.
3. What do I do when I missed my brake point?
4. I got inside on the guy in front of me in a corner. How do I make sure we don't wreck on corner exit?
5. Going into a braking zone, how do I make sure the guy in front of me, knows I'm there?
6. What's the best way to re-enter the track after having an off?
7. Conceding an ill-gotten position.
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Had to throw in an aaaaaaand for ya.
 
I'd suggest finding a way to record the voice/audio interactions during a race (even a theoretically 'staged' reproduction version, after the fact, if needed) to show how some good racecraft can happen verbally during a race.

I will be late or not racing tonight - my son returns from Florida SEABASE tonight, and if the flight is on time (It's United, so not likely), then I will get home during 1st race qualifying or so. I'll leave the PS3 on, and I may even park in the D5 lobby so I can jump in when I get home.

That also means someone in D5 needs to make sure you save replays tonight. I can't upload what I'm not there for.

Are there any SNAILs who are good at CAD? I'm messing around with GIMP (hate it), Blender , Sketchup Make, and Repetier Host, and I've got some basic questions (where do I start, how do I fix this?) and other issues to resolve.
 
I will be late or not racing tonight - my son returns from Florida SEABASE tonight, and if the flight is on time (It's United, so not likely), then I will get home during 1st race qualifying or so. I'll leave the PS3 on, and I may even park in the D5 lobby so I can jump in when I get home.

That also means someone in D5 needs to make sure you save replays tonight. I can't upload what I'm not there for.

Good morning all! Just a reminder that I will not be racing tomorrow night. At the very least we will need someone to save replays and cover score keeping for the night. Thanks!

Can someone from D4 and D5 confirm they will be able to save the replays and upload them?

Thanks!
 
We've thrown around this idea a while ago. One way to avoid having someone know who the other was was to do the recording in black and white. This removes identifying color schemes.
Personally, Maybe posting replays up with the incidents isn't a bad idea. We can add two posts, examples of stellar racecraft and complaints that warranted a penalty. Thus adding a more potent form of discouragement and reward, Peer perception. No one wants to look the fool infront of their peers, but we are well motivated by praise from them.
 
Since you have the technical ability to do it, and you are looking to teach and promote good racecraft, my humble idea is to post vid of incidents you penalize to show what not to do and why not to do it. You could also give suggestions for what the driver should have done to avoid trouble and exhibit good racecraft.

I wouldn't be interested in vids of blatant divebombs or things like that, I am more interested in close call situations where the proper moves can become confusing. Coaching proper racecraft in those situations would be so helpful in understanding what is expected and thus, what to do to avoid them and a penalty.

Just a thought.

The real time consuming part of the process is finding those situations.

If I know which week, which race and what time, it becomes reasonably easy to record it. Just have to find the best camera angle(s) to show what we want.

And if someone types up the explanations for the incidents, even better.

Another thing to consider is the affect on the driver that is being displayed as having bad/marginal racecraft. I know penalties are posted, but seeing what's done and seeing a post with -2 points and 2 weeks probation are two different things. Especially when it will be available on Youtube for anyone to see.

Perhaps setting up a night to go through the different situations would be better. Just need to list out what situations we want to have in the video, get 3 or four people together to run the faux races, save the replays and there you go.

Thoughts?



And it's a good thought, I had made an attempt at showing some different levels of incidents, but it faltered.

To give you an idea, with having the actual times, races and explanations, it took me about three hours all in to do the video from last night.

Without the times, races and explanations you could easily quadruple that, unless you got lucky in race preview mode :)

We've thrown around this idea a while ago. One way to avoid having someone know who the other was was to do the recording in black and white. This removes identifying color schemes.
Personally, Maybe posting replays up with the incidents isn't a bad idea. We can add two posts, examples of stellar racecraft and complaints that warranted a penalty. Thus adding a more potent form of discouragement and reward, Peer perception. No one wants to look the fool infront of their peers, but we are well motivated by praise from them.

From my standpoint, examples of good behavior should be made public. Examples of less than good behavior should be kept private. I've seen more than one case where parents were open and forthright about their "escapades" as children, teenagers, young adults and I've yet to see their children actually go "oh look, mom, or dad, did this when they were young and it didn't turn out well. I'm not going to do that." It's been my experience that those learning, when they discover others have done a thing, regardless of historic outcome, get arrogant and think they can do it better.

The capability exists for everyone of us to look at the events they have been penalized for. It is also stated, in every Steward Summary that if you have questions about a penalty you were assessed, to ask your Division Steward about it and he/she will explain the findings. If you don't save the replays, or ask, when you're uncertain about a penalty, I don't see how league management can be of further assistance.

I just don't think publicly displaying examples of less than desirable racecraft will serve the best interests of the group as whole. The more we shine light on the good behavior however...

There's more I could say on this subject but I'll stop here for now.
 
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