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DublDee
I guess for me it's the feeling of pressure(brought on by nobody but myself) that on a reverse grid, or random grid where I'm starting ahead of guys a lot faster than me, I'm gonna be in the way! As a result I'm spending half of my Thursday nights driving through the rear view mirror.
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I can see where you're coming from Dub. And you have to ask yourself, is this really practice? If someone is breathing down your neck that can run 2 seconds a clip faster than you, will you be experiencing that come Sunday night? Probably not since the divisions are pretty well balanced. Now you find yourself missing brake points, making mistakes, because of this pressure chomping at the bit behind you.

I'm always happy to help anyone here. If you arent comfortable with being pressured, then that's something I can work on with you. And again its the responsibility of the driver behind to take care of you - you shouldn't feel like you're "getting in the way", but I understand completely. An experienced driver will figure your tendencies out and find the best way to get around you safely.

Should we try the 2 lobby practice tonight? Racingchamp host D3/D4 and Wolf host D1/D2?
 
SAMHAIN85
Should we try the 2 lobby practice tonight? Racingchamp host D3/D4 and Wolf host D1/D2?
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Yes. Go ahead and try two lobbies tonight if both hosts are available. You may not fill both rooms but it will be nice to see how it works with a smaller grid. Feedback is encouraged to try and make practice the best possible experience for all involved.
 
DublDee
I totally understand and agree with the rule, I guess for me it's the feeling of pressure(brought on by nobody but myself) that on a reverse grid, or random grid where I'm starting ahead of guys a lot faster than me, I'm gonna be in the way! As a result I'm spending half of my Thursday nights driving through the rear view mirror.(Again I know this is a Me problem). Maybe it's just me that feels this way, and in time I'll become more comfortable with it. I know the other nights when I'm lucky enough to join a Mango lobby, I really enjoy it, but it's a totally different type of practice, and so laid back that I doubt anyone feels pressure. Thursday's just seem much more serious, and not just the racing, but the reactions of people when they are affected by another racer's mistakes, Just my observations, and opinion.
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Believe it or not, this pressure cooker of a situation is the perfect practice for learning how to defend a position, staveing off someone you know is faster, and learning the discipline to focus forward on running your line. I am by no means the fastest of Snails, but I do pride myself on being what I would consider one of the harder ones to get around. Know your corner rights, the difference between blocking and defending, and focus on guarding the inside if every corner and how to hold that line. Most racers do not like attempting the outside pass, so most times this plays in your favor. Then there are the times when you have a driver who is just faster, and can execute that move cleanly (Name drops: @nmcp1 and @Rednose58)....you then know, there was nothing you could do to hold them back, but they deservedly earned the position. That's racing. Stop feeling like your in the way, and make it your motivation to cleanly and within the rules defend your position.
 
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llNovall
Believe it or not, this pressure cooker of a situation is the perfect practice for learning how to defend a position, staveing off someone you know is faster, and learning the discipline to focus forward on running your line. I am by no means the fastest of Snails, but I do pride myself on being what I would consider one of the harder ones to get around. Know your corner rights, the difference between blocking and defending, and focus on guarding the inside if every corner and how to hold that line. Most racers do not like attempting the outside pass, so most times this plays in your favor. Then there are the times when you have a driver who is just faster, and can execute that move cleanly (Name droo: @nmcp1 and @Rednose58)....you then know, there was nothing you could do to hold them back, but they deservedly earned the position. That's racing. Stop feeling like your in the way, and make it your motivation to cleanly and within the rules defend your position.
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Personally, I love it when someone takes away the inside and leaves the outside for me to try and pass. As long as they are willing to concede that they gave up the outside and realize that they don't have that part of the track on exit, they are easy pickings for a pass. It's when they think they can take the whole width of track on exit after they gave up the outside on corner entry that there becomes a problem. You do learn pretty quickly who is going to stick to the inside and who isn't and once you know which driver is which, they are both an easy pass. It's that pesky time when you're not sure which type of driver you're dealing with that can lead to issues.
 
I can also host if any issues arise. Also in the chat last night discussed sim rig's figured id share a updated photo.
 

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Personally, I love it when someone takes away the inside and leaves the outside for me to try and pass. As long as they are willing to concede that they gave up the outside and realize that they don't have that part of the track on exit, they are easy pickings for a pass. It's when they think they can take the whole width of track on exit after they gave up the outside on corner entry that there becomes a problem. You do learn pretty quickly who is going to stick to the inside and who isn't and once you know which driver is which, they are both an easy pass. It's that pesky time when you're not sure which type of driver you're dealing with that can lead to issues.
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It is certainly a learn and trust deal on these situations. I usually like to guard the inside, and shoot to leave a car width and only a car width on the outside during exit. Anything more is giving away precious bits of speed on exit. Also, I forgot to mention initial placement of the car on a straight approaching a corner. While you cannot switch lines more than once on the straight, you can position the car center of track to force a choice of the chase driver: go inside where he will have to brake early and bleed off too much speed and not have enough to execute the pass, or go to the outside where the risk is higher of running out of room on exit. So many variables to learn, but a ton of fun racing once that is learned and trust established.
 
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I generally pass on the outside and always drive in my mirrors.

Like real life, some folks struggle with processing all of the information and not confusing themselves. Others don't. Some folks crank the mirrors out of their view at solo events, but IMO if you're going to waste the time looking at the mirror anyway, you might as well actually obtain the information instead of looking at the backside of a mirror. :lol:

Some folks can carry on a conversation while running top lap times. Others freak out upon any communication in the car and crash when you talk to them.

You need to find out what works for you, and that may be different for everyone.

I hate to advocate outside passing, mirror driving, and carrying out detailed conversations while lapping to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
 
I used to "worry" about the guys around or behind for a while until I learned to just worry about myself, my line, and the car infont. I'm not 100% and sometimes get cautious with a tailgater who I'm unfamiliar with but I can't count the number of times I've avoided incidents due to driving in my mirrors.
Many a dive bomb avoided!

As for multitasking; I can listen to whatever being said in a chat and put down a good lap, get me talking and foggettaboutit
 
I find these sorts of conversations very interesting, especially as a racer myself. In classes as close as Formula Vee, or any form of spec racing, you take any advantage you can while still following (most) of the rules. Racecraft plays a tremendous role in holding off a faster car, or on the flipside trying to pass another car.

When I’m being followed whether it be in game or IRL I am always watching my mirrors, but not out of nervousness. It’s crucial to see just where your competitor is in relation to your car so you don’t hit eachother but it it much more important to learn where it is on the track you’re faster and where you’re slower. The person following you won’t try to pass when he’s a few car lengths back, so there’s no need to drive defensively in spots where you’re faster. What should be happening is you staying focused on nailing that particular sector so when you do get to the part of the track where your competitor is faster, you’re far enough ahead that you might not have to defend and give up the optimal line. Feeding off of others weaknesses is so important in head to head racing.

The same can be said for being the chasee. (is that a word?) Find out where the lead car is slower and use it to your advantage. Play mind games, stick your nose in an uncomfortable spot, nudge him on corner exit just enough to say, “Hey! Still here!” Find anything you can to make the driver ahead uncomfortable and nervous, get in his/her head any way possible and I guarantee you they’re going to make a mistake under pressure.


Throughout my short racing career I’ve found it very easy to rattle people and get under a drivers skin enough for them to slip up just enough to get by them. What I’ve had trouble learning was the being followed part. It takes practice and a very self centred mentality but once you become comfortable with the games people play and focus on hitting your marks and defending a position when necessary, it’ll be very difficult to get around you.


I could go on for hours about this stuff, but I should keep my secrets secret ;)
 

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