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Yes, of course. And the same can be said for any kind of vehicle really. It's always a different story when you try to break the limits. But I think it's easy to forget that racing cars are engineered to be comfortable and responsive to drive. The less the driver has to think about the car the better.
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- QLD
Considering plenty of regular treaded tyres are sold as Sports tyres I disagree. Anyway here's an interesting thing to consider. I often run cheap Chinese tyres on my cars because they have more grip than the brand tyres I was running. I found that out by accident when I put a set of cheap tyres on my car and couldn't perform a rolling powerskid anymore, the car just hooked up and took off. The chinese tyres work out to be really expensive though as they wear out fast and wear out unevenly.
No I'm not wrong, people tell me all the time that Raceroom and RF2 have the best physics. I'm not saying I agree with them. As for my opinions iRacing has poor physics but has an excellent racing service. AC has inconsistent physics. Raceroom's physics are typical ISI but it has great FFB. RF2 has some awesome features but is still an unconvincing drive for me. And you can disagree with my opinions but just remember they are my opinions and you are free to have your own. But people telling me they think Raceroom and RF2 are the most realistic sims is not an opinion, that's a sad fact and lately I've been hearing that as much as I have been hearing that GT Sport and Assetto Corsa are Simcade and it's often the same people saying it.
No I wasn't wrong the first time and I'm not wrong this time either. I have had "Hardcore Sim Racers" tell me that you will never find a real sim on a console because a console isn't powerful enough to run a real sim. I have had people tell me GT Sport was simcade before anyone had played it. I was on iRacing when their tyre model improved making cars easier to drive and people complained it was too easy and unrealistic. I do not think harder equals more realistic but it is a common belief among sim racers.
I have people who have never driven GT Sport argue with me and tell me how bad it is and how unrealistic it is. I've had people who have not played either GTS or FM7 tell me they are the same. And on the other side of the coin I have had people who have never played a PC sim tell me Forza is the best racing sim.
Then you just need to look at the PC sim racing community and look at the arguments, one groups swears iRacing is the most realistic, another Asetto Corsa and another will fight to the death for RF2. AMS has its fans but either there isn't a lot of people playing it or those guys just don't care enough to fight over who is the best.
There is a thread on the topic in the facebook Sim Racers group at the moment which might provide a laugh or cringe or both if you care to have a look.
I couldn't handle my M6 but it felt like centering spring issue to me.
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- SleezyBigSlim
Quit being ridiculous. GT Sport is more SIM then Pcars2 only Assetto Corsa has it beat there. GT Sport is still a better game than any of them.Yes, none of gold challenge was difficult... But now it's ridiculous.. It is now like bronze "thanks for playing"
The leaderboards challenge with friends in a campaign mode should be an extra challenge, but the first one is to achieve gold... At least for me...That was one from the things i liked in older games.
BTW.... New bug!
The penalties don't work anymore in campaign mode like in time rallys...now you can hit cars and barriers with no seconds penalty or fail penalty...
Making super easy even more mega easy...
The "hand of God" that recover your car and can't be deactivated is back... In in what a manner
Man....driveclub in hard mode is now more simulator than GT Sport in my opinion
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So my (or your) opinion is just that but people that said to you that Raceroom is the most realistic sim its not an opinion its a ....fact.Just because they...said so.Interesting point.
GTsport is not similar to AC in anyway and you know it.And if those people that claim that AC is an simcade and Raceroom is the best sim around then not only its just their opinion but they are wrong too......
What do you mean by "hardcore sime racers"?
BTW if people say something about a title they have never played then they are as bias as they can be.You cannot make a -valid- point about something you have not even tested....
I agree:harder does not equal "real" the same way easy dont not either.Wrote that already.
All these people were making invalid points.I still stand on mine.If a title has great physics people should be able to give credit to that title (if not bias).
You pretty much talk about people that are as bias as they can be (in your post).
These are usually the last people you should ask what's their opinion.They dont deal with facts/valid points.Only with what they think would prove the "supiriority" of their favorite title.
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- BasherB59
New Audi R18 2016 (Audi Sport Team Joest) GT Sport Gameplay
Whilst the car is going around Suzuka East (I think).
On the Cockpit footage, there's a Track Layout shown on the Right hand side, that I don't recognise.
Any ideas anybody ?
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- Flaren89
Any comparison video between previous and new version? I can't play these days to check it my hands as I'm waiting the Playseat Challenge to come (ordered yesterday, they still have to start shipping procedures) and have to prepare for a rFactor 2 endurance race coming this Saturday.
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- GTP_Stotty
What they are sold as, and what purpose they serve aren't necessarily the same thing - You can buy an BMW X5 'MSport' or an Audi Q7 'S-line'... doesn't mean they are 'sporty'
I have Michelin Pilot Sport 4 on my 996. Alongside the Cont SC6, they are regarded as the best all round road tyre you can buy (top performers in numerous independent tests). They are a great all year round tyre, but they aren't a Michelin Pilot Sport Cup.
Personally, I wouldn't trust a cheap Chinese tyre on either of my cars.
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- QLD
No it's just a fact that people say it. I don't think what they are saying is a fact. You told me that people would never say that to me, I'm telling you people say that to me all the time. It doesn't mean what they say is true. It only means you are incorrect when you tell me that no one would say that.
You see that's a problem. You have declared yourself right and anyone who disagrees as wrong. I don't always agree with people's opinions but I understand them and the attitude you are taking is the same one I see from many of them, the attitude that only your own opinion can be right. People don't like AC because it doesn't simulate many things sims like RF2 simulates. Others don't like AC and GT Sport because they have optional drivers aids like stability control and features that are specifically aimed at making the game more accessible, so yes they do have things in common. Now considering some people define Simcade as including unrealistic features that are designed to make the game more accessible then even I must concede that means Assetto Corsa meets their definition of Simcade but I'll only do that if those people also accept that by the same definition iRacing is Simcade because it also has unrealistic aids to make the game more accessible and RF2 and Raceroom are also Simcade because they have unrealistic features that everyone uses to make up for missing gforces. But no one ever agrees on that, still I do enjoy poking. I do hate the term simcade.
But in regard to AC while it can be realistic at times do you realise it has very flawed physics at times? Are you aware of the problem that when brought up on their forum resulted in a very public outburst by Stefano which resulted in a lot of backlash from the sim racing community and this was partly due to the fact the guy who brought up the issue is a bit of a youtube celebrity because of his drifting videos? In case you are not aware the problem that was raised was how some cars in Assetto Corsa will understeer when entering a corner even when you have shifted your weight forward but if you accelerate those cars find magical grip and turn in. This results in unrealistic driving techniques to achieve the fastest times in those cars. Then you would have someone like me who would also say that I think the grip levels and the rate at which the track builds grip and how it builds grip isn't very realistic. Hey I like AC and I think at times it has a very authentic driving experience.
Something else to keep in mind is what AC was meant to be. I think you'll find that originally the dream was that AC would bridge the gap between console games and PC games. A lot of PC gamers were upset there was nothing like GT on PC and of course people thought GT was behind PC games in certain areas. According to Kunos they have far exceeded their original vision for AC but I'm pretty sure when the developers first thought up their dream on that napkin the term simcade had not been coined yet and yet in that moment they might have imagined the game that met the original meaning of that word as coined by ISR.
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Well the Shelby Cobra is 2 Million crso I think I have quite a bit of grinding to get this
Maybe they'll add Factory Five to Brand Central
https://www.factoryfive.com
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- dimebolt-1976
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I already talked about people being bias and saying whatever they want and not what it is.
I did not declare anything.AC is not similar to GTS and thats a fact,not just my opinion.
AC has not -in any way- similar online system with the one of GTS -just one of many examples-.Thats a fact,not my opinion.The rest I wont even bother comment since I dont find nessesery in this topic to post what my personal opinion about AC (or any other PC title is).I am not saying you are wrong,I just think this is going off topic.
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- QLD
Hardcore sim racers is a term, I didn't coin it. I like to think of them as those PC sim racers that don't like anything they think isn't a real sim. But generally speaking hard core sim racers just refers to the PC sim racer who isn't a casual sim racer.
I agree, but lots of people in this world do things and act in ways that don't make sense to me.
I don't ask for people's opinions. There is a reason there a memes of simracing discussions, they are open to every type.
What they are sold as, and what purpose they serve aren't necessarily the same thing - You can buy an BMW X5 'MSport' or an Audi Q7 'S-line'... doesn't mean they are 'sporty'
I have Michelin Pilot Sport 4 on my 996. Alongside the Cont SC6, they are regarded as the best all round road tyre you can buy (top performers in numerous independent tests). They are a great all year round tyre, but they aren't a Michelin Pilot Sport Cup.
Personally, I wouldn't trust a cheap Chinese tyre on either of my cars.
Magazines tend to group tyres up in a way I agree with. We don't have to agree on this, I was just saying how I imagine they should be.
As for the Chinese tyres I haven't had an issue with them.
A few years back the shed next to mine had a tyre guy in it. He makes tyres on demand for Speedway racers and people buy his tyres from all over. He was so secretive, the way he talked and acted it was like tyre recipes are the stuff people are killed over, you couldn't come inside his shed or see how he did things and he always pulled the door down when he was making tyres. Apparently a Chinese company offered him millions for his recipe and he refused, I don't understand why he refused but that's what he did. I don't have an issue with Chinese companies, they make some good stuff at times, sometimes it is good value but it is clear to me that there are Chinese companies who want to make great products. I'm a value shopper. I can't afford the most expensive items but I also want products that perform to a certain standard or requirement. I'm not a fan of the way many products have gone and how often even in expensive products rubbish is now the acceptable standard. And I'd prefer to buy Australian made to support our local jobs. But ultimately I want good value so in the absence of a decent Aussie product I can afford I'll buy whatever is good value from where ever it comes from. As far as tyres go I find that I can usually get a pretty accurate picture of a tyre from the various tyre review sites and I find these far more accurate than magazine tests. Also I've got some pretty good tyre shops and they have weeded out the not so good tyres as those cost them too much money. There was this one brand of tyre that I miss now because i they were inexpensive but had ridiculous amounts of grip and I got better than expected wear out of them. But they had problems with the bead and would lose air so the local shops do not sell them now.
It is not a fact. I already gave you an example of how it is similar. The fact is the developers originally wanted to bring the GT experience to PC or didn't you know that? The fact is they both have similar driving aids. They do have similarities so you can't claim what you have as a fact. You have an opinion based on personal qualifiers just like those people who don't like AC.
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The new TC and throttle mechanics takes some time getting used to. I'm used to hitting full throttle quite early at the exit but it doesn't work anymore. The back-end will lose control and the TC will kick in a bit later and correct it, resulting in more unbalanced behaviour. I now have to maintain a lower throttle and then increase it gradually as I get out of the corner.
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Yep it's totally different, you can't just bang the throttle down now at TC 2 as you could before. I think it's probably an improvement though as it's not really helping you to go faster now, it's more helping you avoid spinning out than anything, if you mash the throttle now you'll just lose time.
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The differences are way more than the similarities.
I can play this game if you want.GTS is supposed to be an e-sports title above anything else.Not even close to AC that wants to be a realist driving experience more than anything else.
Please give me a link where Kunos claim that they want to create the GT experience for PC btw.
You really try to tell me that when AC went onmarket,it was supposed to be similar to any of the GT title?
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- CWM_GTRacer22
Why? There isn’t any Factory Five cars in the game.
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Anyone would say the same thing after spending 4 hours in McLarens state of the art simulator.
It's just not comparable at any level currently with what we have at home.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/gaming/interview-winner-mclarens-worlds-fastest-gamer
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