1000 Miles junkies . . .

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Round 2 of this series has been a nail biter.

At the beginning of the race the Lotus and Fairlady took off to an astounding lead while I struggled to fight my way through the rest of the field. I finally caught up to the Fairlady around lap 11 and passed him before the start finish line.
When I crossed the finish line the AI Lotus was 11 seconds ahead of me.

I struggled to cut that lead down. It felt like each lap I was only catching up to him by tenths of a second. I managed to whittle it down to 3 seconds, then I would clip a wall and loose 2 seconds. Then I made that up, and at the end of the long straight I took the corner to hot, the back end danced out and clipped the wall spinning me out.At the end of that lap the Lotus was 11 seconds ahead again.

Luckily he was coming up to a big block of cars. The last place Skyline and the 3rd place Fairlady. I managed to catch up to the Lotus as it battled with the Fairlady. The Lotus would pull ahead in the turns, and the fairlady caught back up on the straights.

I followed behind watching them push each other around waiting for an opening. Finally the Fairlady pushed the Lotus into a barrier, allowing me to slip by both of them takeing the lead in the middle of lap 29.

At the begining of lap 30 I paused the game. Its 1:15 in the morning and I'm beat. I don't want to make a dumb mistake because I'm tired. To I'll pick things up again tomorrow morning.
 
Round 2 of this series has been a nail biter.

At the beginning of the race the Lotus and Fairlady took off to an astounding lead while I struggled to fight my way through the rest of the field. I finally caught up to the Fairlady around lap 11 and passed him before the start finish line.
When I crossed the finish line the AI Lotus was 11 seconds ahead of me.

I struggled to cut that lead down. It felt like each lap I was only catching up to him by tenths of a second. I managed to whittle it down to 3 seconds, then I would clip a wall and loose 2 seconds. Then I made that up, and at the end of the long straight I took the corner to hot, the back end danced out and clipped the wall spinning me out.At the end of that lap the Lotus was 11 seconds ahead again.

Luckily he was coming up to a big block of cars. The last place Skyline and the 3rd place Fairlady. I managed to catch up to the Lotus as it battled with the Fairlady. The Lotus would pull ahead in the turns, and the fairlady caught back up on the straights.

I followed behind watching them push each other around waiting for an opening. Finally the Fairlady pushed the Lotus into a barrier, allowing me to slip by both of them takeing the lead in the middle of lap 29.

At the begining of lap 30 I paused the game. Its 1:15 in the morning and I'm beat. I don't want to make a dumb mistake because I'm tired. To I'll pick things up again tomorrow morning.

What were you driving? Just curious. Did you actually sit there (like i do) resetting the race over and over till you got the sweetest lineup? :lol:
 
I did. took about 20 tries to find something that I thought would be close.

Line up was the same as I mentioned on page 1. (Lotus Elan, Nissan Fairlady, Alpha GTA, Mazda 110B & Nissan Skyline ('63 I think)

I'm in a stock, Lotus Yellow, Lotus Elan running on N1 tires front & back.
 
Hello people, this is only the second forum I've posted on, been doing the TCv4, but I'm very interested about this 'ol school cars race. Don't know which car I'll use, the Buick Special is a favourite but has lots of power, so we'll see and I'll post soon
 
Hello people, this is only the second forum I've posted on, been doing the TCv4, but I'm very interested about this 'ol school cars race. Don't know which car I'll use, the Buick Special is a favourite but has lots of power, so we'll see and I'll post soon

Alright, good luck. 👍
 
Hello people, this is only the second forum I've posted on, been doing the TCv4, but I'm very interested about this 'ol school cars race. Don't know which car I'll use, the Buick Special is a favourite but has lots of power, so we'll see and I'll post soon

The Buick would definitely be overkill for this event. There are only a couple cars that you will bump into in this event that the Buick would be up against.

If you want to keep the race close, the Skyline GT-B that you win from the FR race in the beginner hall is a pretty good car. It has pretty good power and handles well.

The only cars that you should stay away from are the Cobra, and any of the Us Muscle cars that appear on occasion.

Welcome to GTP! :)
 
The Buick Special is overkill unless the driver isn't very capable, in which case using the Special might be a disaster at every turn. It is possible to run a faster, close race against faster sim cars; but the problem is the game doesn't run a close race between multiple faster cars.

In other words, let's say you allow the Cobra, Jag E-type, '63 Corvette, and Mercedes gullwing to show up as Ai. You might think that at least two of these cars will run a close race against you, but unfortunately what happens is:

The Cobra gets way ahead

of the Jaguar. which gets way ahead

of the 'vette...which gets way ahead

of the Mercedes. :banghead:

i know this cause i've tried it! :ouch: So far, (therefore) I've found the Lotus Elan / Fairlady combination is best. There is another, slower combo of cars that can possibly run against including: the '68 Honda S800, Karmann Ghia, and '65 Toyota Sports 800. Eventually, the Karmann Ghia can't keep up with the others (it has to take extra pitstops since its rear tires wear out faster) but for awhile, I've sometimes seen this posse duel with me.

There are even slower cars (Skylines and such) that show up. I've never done a super-slow race against these guys, so I'm not sure if there's any multiple battles yet.
 
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Race 2 of 4 compleated.

After battling through the pack and finally passing the Lotus on lap 29, the rest of the race was pretty much down hill. As far as excitement that is.

The Lotus fell behind fast after being passed. First 3 seconds, then 5 seconds then 10 seconds untill he setteled in somewhere around 30 seconds behind and begin matching my pace. That lasted untill somewhere around lap 52 where the Lotus pitted, adding another 45 seconds to the gap. Down over a minute, The AI Lotus began to fall behind even more. At the races end, The AI Lotus was 1 lap down and aprox 15, 20 seconds behind (+/- 2:00 off my pace.)

No doubt that he could have finished on the same lap at the end, if I had pitted at some point. But, becasue of the good fuel economy, and the everlasting N1 tires, I was able to bypass the pit for the entire event.

Next up: Côte d'Azur
 
Race 2 of 4 compleated.

After battling through the pack and finally passing the Lotus on lap 29, the rest of the race was pretty much down hill. As far as excitement that is.

The Lotus fell behind fast after being passed. First 3 seconds, then 5 seconds then 10 seconds untill he setteled in somewhere around 30 seconds behind and begin matching my pace. That lasted untill somewhere around lap 52 where the Lotus pitted, adding another 45 seconds to the gap. Down over a minute, The AI Lotus began to fall behind even more. At the races end, The AI Lotus was 1 lap down and aprox 15, 20 seconds behind (+/- 2:00 off my pace.)

No doubt that he could have finished on the same lap at the end, if I had pitted at some point. But, becasue of the good fuel economy, and the everlasting N1 tires, I was able to bypass the pit for the entire event.

Next up: Côte d'Azur

That's when I would have let Bob take over. :) I've handed the keys over to him after garnering a huge lead, and sometimes it actually works and the race gets closer again. I know it's blasphemy. :dunce:
 
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I'm sure I must have posted my 1000 Miles excursions here somewhere but I'll plonk them in here regardless as they are certainly 'on topic', so to speak:

EUROPEAN HALL

1000 Miles Championship

Unmodified Pre-1971 Cars Only
Normal or Sports Tyres Required
No Licence Required

Prize Money: 150,000cr/race, 300,000cr/series
Prize Car: Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale ’63 (Value 13,183cr)

1) Nurburgring (25 laps)
2) Opera Paris (95 laps)
3) Cote D’Azur (99 laps)
4) Circuit de la Sarthe II (35 laps)

The first time I ran through this I made very few notes but I think I used an E-Type Jaguar in stock trim and B-Spec’d most of it because of the time investment the series demanded.

The second time I did it I used a Lotus Elan S1, fettling its suspension quite a bit to iron out high speed handling issues. Again, my note taking back then was lamentable and the only pertinent thing to pass on is that I thought that A-Spec points were hard to come by, especially at La Sarthe because of the fast Mercedes (apparently I won via superior pit stop strategy :D).

Moving on to the present (May, 2007) I re-examined the possibilities of using the Elan, this time on N1 tyres with maximum ballast. I had her handling superbly (for my taste) but discovered that not only did she dominate the AI on a test I did at the ‘Ring but that A-Spec barely improved at all from the high 70’s that I already had.

I really don’t want to use a Japanese car if I can help it so I examined potential alternatives to the A-Spec “Star Car” (which is the Nissan Skyline Sport Coupe BLRA-3 ’62 (92HP, 1350KG)). The Elan is 105HP and 839KG with ballast, so no wonder the A-Spec was so poor. Other possibles are the Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale ’63 (114HP, 950KG), the Alfa Romeo 1600 Duetto (110HP, 960KG), the VW Karmann Ghia (44HP, 840KG) and the Corvette C1 Convertible (152HP, 1309KG).

The Corvette is too powerful I think (tho’ the high weight may help with A-Spec) and Miko has used the Duetto previously so I’d like to help expand the knowledge base by exploring a different path (altho’ the Duetto would’ve been my first choice otherwise once I realised that no British car fitted the race parameters).

Knowing ahead of time that the Giulia is renowned for its atrocious handling, with a serious mien I load it up with N1 tyres and 200KG Ballast. Pulling on my driving gloves and slinging my tool kit in the back, I head for the Nurburgring for an evening of spannering and testing.

As expected, if a car can have a handling vice then this car has it! :eek:. After a while I end up with the following set-up, that I actually find to be quite good:

Brakes: 4/3
Springs: 9.3/7.9
Ride: 99/99
Damper B: 5/4
Damper R: 7/6
Camber: 2/1
Toe: +2/-1
Stabs: 2/2
Gears: Tranny Trick then Final to 4.410
LSD: 8/24/8
Ballast: 200KG @ -16

The LSD allows for a little leaden footedness and thus compensates for the slight understeer it shows at some points – my thinking is that it’s going to be a long race and I can’t expect myself to be perfect on the throttle out of every corner.

Now to look at Grids. I dug as deep at Grid 20 and found some high A-specs on offer. Sadly, the 200 A-Spec grids had inhabitants such as the Jaguar E-Type and the Mercedes 300 SL or the A/C 427 Cobra-clone.

Grid 1, as Lugnuts has suggested, was a respectable 160 A-Spec so I decided that I’d try that one. I might have an investigation of the ‘better’ rated grids another time.

Grid: VW Karmann Ghia, Fiat 500F, Honda S800, Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA, Mini Marcos

So, Race 1, Nurburgring.

I qualified with a 9’55.687, up by 7.978 seconds from the second slot Marcos. The other Alfa sat on trap three. The tyre wear shows that the fronts wear more than the rear by quite a margin but it’s too late to worry about that now!

The race starts and I’m very quickly in for a shock. With the qualifying margin I briefly hoped that this was going to be easier than I thought – how wrong I was. The Marcos was all over me and the Alfa helped out in mobbing his fellow ‘countrycar’!

I help the lead for a lap and then the Alfa ambushed me whilst I blocking the Marcos. Once past me, he started to head into the distance, making a horrific ten seconds per lap on me. I knew from Lugs what his pit schedule would be and I hung in there, trailing a dismal third, hoping that his performance would drop off as his tyres wore. No such luck and I was quite depressed to find myself still in third place even after the Marcos pitted on lap six.

I now had a decision to make. Did I retire and rethink or stick with it and treat it as a four hour data gathering exercise? Surprisingly, given how bad it was before I sorted the suspension out, I was enjoying driving the Giulia and those N1 tyres were seeming to just last and last. So I stayed in and just accepted that I was going to finish third.

By lap thirteen, my tyres were still only going yellow at the front and I briefly toyed with doing the whole race on one set :D. Then I realised that I’d run out of fuel if I tried that, so I might as well pit and see how the other tyre types would wear. I pitted in and switched to N3’s. I’m not sure how far behind I was at that point but I think it was about two and a half minutes.

What a transformation! My best lap on N1’s had been 9’47.xxx. My pit-out lap was a 9’36.xxx and my next lap was a 9’26.xxx as I realised how much harder I could push, especially as the tyres warmed.

I started to do lap-math in my head as I was driving and trying to calculate how much ground I was making up each lap. The N3’s wore quickly but I guessed they would just about do six laps (I prayed that the handling wouldn’t go to pot when the fronts were orange). That meant that I would have to pit again on lap nineteen but I knew the other Alfa would pit twice more. Could I catch him?

I watched the deficit clock like a hawk and I couldn’t believe how quickly I was reeling him in. When I went into the pits on lap nineteen, he was just going around the last turn – if I’d been a little closer I could’ve made intimidating gestures at him over the pit wall :lol:.

I retook the lead on lap twenty-two in a dramatic, clean, overtaking manoever over the drop at Brunnchen (I so wish the replay had still been recording at that point).

That was effectively that. I built up a large lead by the time the GTA pitted on lap 24 and had a margin of victory of 1’06, despite a slow last lap (I ‘role played’ a bit and did a show-off ‘cruise’ to the line rather than keeping flat out :embarrassed:).

Best Lap 9’24.091 Total Race Time 4:02’46.xxx.

That ranks as one of the best races I’ve ever had in GT and just goes to show that you should never quit as even when it looks utterly hopeless you never know what can happen.

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Race 2
Opera Paris 95 Laps
Couldn't qualify on pole on N1 tyres, so switched to N3's and did it by five seconds.
Final Drive adjusted to 5.760.
Put the High Street Boots back on (N1/N2 as a trial) and started the race. A-Spec still 160, which was a surprise as I thought the oil would have gone black by now.
As before, the Alfa Romeo GTA was the only serious opposition both in pace and pit strategy.
The hard grade N tyres looked good for the whole race but I pitted on lap 31 whilst they were still green and fitted N3's as I was fed up of being a cheat and trading paint with the GTA in the corners.
An important thing to note is that I think that it is possible to do the whole race without refuelling in the pitstops. I can't say for sure as I accidentally did fill up on one stop (thought I'd turned Fuel "off" but obviously hadn't).
The N3's didn't last all that well but did as much as I expected. I did 27 laps on my first set and pitted in when the wear was affecting lap times too much and it was obvious that I couldn't make them last long enough to only require one more stop.
I pitted on lap 31, lap 57 and lap 77. The Alfa GTA pitted on lap 27, lap 52 and lap 77. I think his pit pattern was messed up by being stuck behind me for so long . Now that I know that a three stopper is on the cards, I'd go in earlier on the N1's and space the pit visits out a bit better.
The highlight of the race was coming round turn five late in the race to find the Fiat 500F reversing across the track ! Anchored up and swerved around him so no damage done other than a couple of seconds lost.
Total Race Time of 2:56'17.980 BL (N1): 1'53.7xx BL (N3): 1'46.273 MoV nearly three laps!

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Race 3

Cote d’Azur 99 Laps

Again, N1’s were not enough to take pole in qualifying. Tried with N2/N3 and that did it, giving pole by 3.338 seconds (2’16.529).

In the race, I could just keep ahead of the GTA on N1’s but I couldn’t make a gap of more than three seconds. He went in for his first pit on lap 30. I pitted on lap 36 with the front tyres still green and more than half my fuel still remaining. BL on N1’s was 2’14.639.

My second visit to the pits was on lap 57, having run N3’s fore and aft, garnering a BL of 2’08.438. The fronts were shot by this point and costing me three or four seconds per lap. Checking the fuel showed 31 units left (a usage of 0.85/lap), which was not enough to finish the race so I topped up to 41, just to be on the safe side (mathematically 36/37 should’ve been enough).

I decided to try an N2/N3 set of boots but these turned out to be much slower than N3’s, turning in 2’11’s rather than 2’08’s. They looked like they had enough life in them for the rest of the race but I pitted on lap 78 and changed back to N3’s as I found the understeery, tho’ stable, feel to be not to my taste.

The GTA’s three-pit strategy was 30, 58, 86.

Best lap of the race for me was 2’08.035, TRT 3:40’22.536, MoV 1 lap and an indeterminate portion of another lap :D.

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Race 4

Circuit de la Sarthe (non-chicaned version) 35 laps

I qualified on N3 tyres with the Final Drive set to 4.410. Poled up 7.9 seconds with 5’28.465. The car tops out at 123/124 on the Mulsanne. Try a Final Drive Ratio of 4.670 to see if it is faster. Turns out to be a fraction better, hitting 125 down the straight. Increase to 4.860 and go for qualifying again. Got pole with 5’23.340 (up about 13 seconds).

That big margin turned out to be an illusion tho’ as the GTA dumped me into the sand in the first chicane :grr:. Trailing badly after than encounter practically off the start, I pitted on lap 5 and switched to N3’s. I was already way behind and persevering on the N1’s was a non-hope strategy as I was not catching up at all, so I felt I had nothing to lose.

That turned out to be a good move as the tyres appear to last forever on this circuit :eek:. I hacked away at the GTA’s lead until I caught him on lap 14 and gradually began to pull away. Lap 20 saw a sudden leap in my lead, so either he had an ‘off’ or encountered traffic problems and I took the chance to head for the pits for my second stop. I took on a splash of fuel but didn’t need it as I’d refuelled fully in my first stop and the last 15 laps had only used 37 units. However, I didn’t want any surprises :D.

The GTA also pitted this lap, which was a relief as I’d begun to worry that he was never going to go in.

From the moment that the lead suddenly increased markedly, the race was in the bag as I knew I had a pit-in-hand, so to speak and could’ve pitted again if I wanted to. However, the tyres lasted 15 laps with no dramas.

BL 5’18.485 (I’m not sure of the tenths, why doesn’t the game store proper race stats?). TRT 3:09’37.xxx. MoV about half a lap or so.

One mystery is that I got 161 A-Spec for race 4 compared to 160 for the other three and yet checking HP after the series it was still at 114, so I’m at a loss to explain it :confused:.

Also, by experimenting once I had the lead, I can dispel the myth that it is faster to cut the chicane at the end of the lap. On hard sprung, race tyred, plastic-missiles perhaps, not on Road Tyred, soft sprung, old classics :lol:. There was another La Sarthe myth I looked at too, which is that it is faster to run down the Mulsanne on the rougher, dusty strip at the roads edge. I can report that, no, it isn’t. Taking that line chops two MPH off your top-end speed – again, this probably doesn’t hold true with race cars but is immediately obvious with a low powered old car like the Giulia.
 
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:lol:

So much for not wanting to overload the thread with one ginormous post and thus taking the time and trouble to split it up into race specific paragraphs :embarrassed:.
 
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So much for not wanting to overload the thread with one ginormous post and thus taking the time and trouble to split it up into race specific paragraphs :embarrassed:.

Ginormous is fine. 👍 :lol:
I know, I've made some of the most gigantic race report posts around. :guilty:

Eventually I'll be going back to 1000 Miles! now that my original quest to collect and drive every car in the game without touching B-spec or NOS is complete. I'll even resign myself to the fact that I'll have to do some car modifications and tuning possibly even some ballasting to up my points total from those earned in the Duetto Spider & Celica. I doubt 200 points is an option though as it'll mean wearing down a BLRA Skyline and using NOS. :yuck:
 
But you lose all your A-spec points. Or is this not the point?

A-spec points mean about as much to me as a porterhouse steak (and I'm a vegetarian) :eek:. My goal is to have the BEST race possible, the closer the better. I like feeling my heart race as I'm trying to navigate as efficiently as I can. It's like a high. So if I'm all a sudden doing a race in which there is no more action, I start getting bored. I'll hand the keys to Bob. :lol:

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Nice writeup, Sukerin! :cheers: +Rep

I couldn't read the entire thing. Not because it was too long, but because reading it only gave me a desire to RACE. :)
 
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So if i'm all a sudden doing a race in which there is no more action, i start getting bored. I'll hand the keys to Bob. :lol:

That one of my only gripes with the 1000 miles race. I always seem to hit a good stretch every race where there is NO ONE AROUND! Especially on the Ring and Sarth. Sometimes feels like I go 10 laps before seeing another car. I have thought about handing the keys over to Bob, but in the end I just ride it out.

I usually end up working on my track line when there is no one around.
 
Ran the 3rd event this weekend. I can't say that anything really exciting happened. made it to first before lap 7 and no one challenged the rest of the race.

The next race is going to be a different story though. (Sarth) I ran a couple qualifying laps after saving just to see how things might go. The best I would place was 3rd place. The Fairlady took first by 20 or so seconds. The Alpha GTA took the second place on the grid. I have a feeling that I'm going to be out gunned in this leg. And I don't have any "go faster parts" in the garage to help out. Good thing I have the points from the first 3 races under my belt.

I'll probably end up placing 3ed in this race, but I'll still take the event.
 
Ran the 3rd event this weekend. I can't say that anything really exciting happened. made it to first before lap 7 and no one challenged the rest of the race.

The next race is going to be a different story though. (Sarth) I ran a couple qualifying laps after saving just to see how things might go. The best I would place was 3rd place. The Fairlady took first by 20 or so seconds. The Alpha GTA took the second place on the grid. I have a feeling that I'm going to be out gunned in this leg. And I don't have any "go faster parts" in the garage to help out. Good thing I have the points from the first 3 races under my belt.

I'll probably end up placing 3ed in this race, but I'll still take the event.

Cote & Paris don't usually require as much power as the 'Ring & Sarthe. I usually wind up downtuning at those shorter, twistier tracks. Then again, I run S1 tires with a sport suspension, switching to N tires during the pitstop if I happen to get a too-good lead, while you're using N1s and (I think) stock suspension. Hmmm.
 
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Yep, I'm using N1's. I was hoping that the longevity if the tires would be a plus, but the Fairlady took off like a cat with a firecracker in its butt from the start. I don't even think I have even see him since the start.

Right now on lap 11 I'm sitting in 4th place 3+ minutes behind the leader. The Fairlady is closer to my back bumper than he is ahead of me. (which sucks)

Early on I managed to struggle into 2nd place, but the engine was screaming as far beyond red line as I could go w/ out bouncing off the limiter, and I was no where near catching up to the Nissan. Since then I have slipped back to 4th (being passed by the Alfa and Mazda quite easily.)

Realizing that I decided not to run the engine past red line. No matter where I place I will have won the series. So why kill the car in the process? So I'll run it out and where ever I place I place.

It will be the first race where the AI will have ever lapped me. :(
 
That's why I run S1 tires in the 1,000 Miles! races. All the opponents are on S1s, so everyone's on the same page. And (as I said) if I'm too fast, I can always swap down to N2 or N3s during the pitstop. Since you're running N1s, you're at a major disadvantage. I know you've won using N1s before, but in this case, it doesn't sound like it's doing you much good. :indiff: Can you swap up to S1s?
 
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No, this is a common misunderstanding, actually. You cannot change tire "grades" (N, S, R) on a pit stop, even though you seem to have the option to. I believe you just get the tire that's closest in hardness to what you try to select. For example, if you have bought N1s, N3s, S1s, S2s, R1s, and R4s, and started the race on S1 tires, you will have the option to select N1s, N3s, R1s, or R4s on the pit stop menu, but if you choose N3s, you'll actually stay on the S1s, and if you choose R4s, then you'll actually be running on S2s. I hope that makes sense. :boggled:

Like Open Addict, I have only ever run this event once "for real," and that was for 200 points with plenty of dirty driving in the Nissan Skyline BLRA-3. I actually did A-spec the whole thing once before that, but that was when I was still such a noob that I didn't even know how to use B-spec :dunce:, and I used the 300SL against whatever the first field was, which was not very competitive at all, for 1 A-spec point.
 
That's why i run S1 tires in the 1,000 Miles! races. All the opponents are on S1s, so everyone's on the same page. And (as i said) if i'm too fast, i can always swap down to N2 or N3s during the pitstop. Since you're running N1s, you're at a major disadvantage. I know you've won using N1s before, but in this case, it doesn't sound like it's doing you much good. :indiff: Can you swap up to S1s?

I could, and I had considered it, but it wouldn't help much. Its not the cornering that is affecting my times, its the cars top end that is killing me. (and my resistance to running over its redline)

At redline in 4th, I am running about 109mph.
If I push it to just below the rev limiter, it sets about 117 if I remember right.

The Fairlady if I remember right will top out somewhere around 135, possibly faster. That's a bit faster than I can muster in the car as is.

I can tick off 3 or 4 seconds off the Fairlady's time after the straight, but I loose 10+ seconds on the straight.
 
No, this is a common misunderstanding, actually. You cannot change tire "grades" (N, S, R) on a pit stop, even though you seem to have the option to. I believe you just get the tire that's closest in hardness to what you try to select. For example, if you have bought N1s, N3s, S1s, S2s, R1s, and R4s, and started the race on S1 tires, you will have the option to select N1s, N3s, R1s, or R4s on the pit stop menu, but if you choose N3s, you'll actually stay on the S1s, and if you choose R4s, then you'll actually be running on S2s. I hope that makes sense. :boggled:

I disagree sir. 💡 💡 I haven't tried switching from racing (R) tires to sports or normals, but I've done plenty of switching between N and Sport tires. From looking at my lap times, I know for sure you can switch between at least N and sports.

Since racing tires are modeled differently so far as the actual size goes, it might not be possible to switch racing and other tire types, but i'm not sure. I've never tried this.

I could, and I had considered it, but it wouldn't help much. Its not the cornering that is affecting my times, its the cars top end that is killing me. (and my resistance to running over its redline)



At redline in 4th, I am running about 109mph.
If I push it to just below the rev limiter, it sets about 117 if I remember right.

I see, sir. My mistake
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No mistake made Parnelli. I was just outgunned by the Fairlady. The entire field is really.

Even though I was cruising in 4th, the 2nd and 3rd cars have only been around 10 seconds ahead of me on any given lap.

Before pausing to go to bed last night I managed to jump back into the 2nd place spot again. The past couple laps both the Alpha and Mazda lost time overshooting turns and ending up at the beach. The Mazda ended up hitting the pits and dropping further behind, the Alpha it looking pretty shaky behind me in the corners, so I know that he will have to hit the pits soon. Hopefully giving a good enough lead to finish the race still in second.
 
I disagree sir. 💡 You obviously haven't had as much experience in this field of fun as i have. 💡 I haven't tried switching from racing (R) tires to sports or normals, but i've done plenty of switching between N and Sport tires. From looking at my lap times, i know for sure you can switch between at least N and sports.

Since racing tires are modeled differently so far as the actual size goes, it might not be possible to switch racing and other tire types, but i'm not sure. I've never tried this.

Well, I disagree with you. I think what's happening is that you think you expect to feel a difference, so you do feel a difference, even when there is none. Or perhaps you tried changing from S2s to N2s and got S1s, if you had bought them. Maybe you can do some scientific testing and see if there actually is a difference. And I guess there is a slight chance that you can move down tire grades, but you definitely cannot move up. Believe me, the 200 point endurance thread would look a whole lot different if you actually could change from normal to sports or racing.

There's a chance I'm wrong, but I think the evidence from my point of view is well-documented, albeit scattered throughout various places on GTP, so I can't find much of it.
 
Seven 1000 Miles races and various other endurances I've done is plenty of experimentation to feel the difference. 💡 I can't push my car nearly as hard on N2 tires as I could on sports; lap times that go from over-dominant to sucky are all the proof I need. :scared:

Again, I disagree that we can't move tires grades upwards. I won my very first GV 300KM this way in my winged Viper SRT-10.: I had been running far behind, using R1 tires for the entire race. Well I had one pit stop left...and 5 laps to go. :nervous: I really really wanted to win so that the last hour+ wasn't just a waste of time. So I switched to R3 (medium) tires. A bit of a cheat, yes...but my lap times went down dramatically. The heavy understeer which I was dealing with throughout the GV300 was now gone. Try it, and tell me you can't feel the difference.

I caught up to the leader on the second to last lap, something I surely wouldn't have been able to do on R1 tires. I wrote a thread about this...I gotta go dig up the link to it.
 
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Hm, that's interesting that you can feel a difference when you change from sports to normal tires. But of course you can change tire softness within a grade (from S2 to S1, from R1 to R3, etc.); I think everyone knows that you can do that in the middle of a race, and that wasn't my point. My point was that I thought you couldn't change tire grades (from N tires to S tires, from R tires to S tires, etc.). I'm still not convinced that you can do that, but maybe I'll check at some point. How about you try to switch from N3 tires to S tires in one of your future races? I'm confident that that won't work.
 
I concur.

You can switch grades within the starting type but you cannot change type (even tho' it can look as if it allows you too).

Could this be a difference between regional different releases of the game do you think?
 
Well all I have to say is I've done lots and lots of racing and I wouldn't claim what I am claiming if I didn't feel it; I would be prone to be highly critical of PD/pit stop tire choices if they didn't get it right, and in my opinion they have.

These past 2 years have been devoted exclusively to GT4, and I've switched tires this way and that (up down and all around) during enduranaces because I'm so obsessed with having a close race. If I'm too far ahead my solution is usually:

1. shod crappier tires or

2. give Bob the keys.


And like I said, I did that one GV300 in which I deliberately switched upwards, from R1 to R3, and that's what saved my race and made me lots of money.
 
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I always thought that you could switch from S to N tires no matter what the grade, as they share the same wheel rim.

But you couldn't change from N or S to R tires because they are set on different rims.

You can change grades of tires during an event. (i.e. R2's to R3's).

I have done that from time to time.

If I have to hit the pits in this event, I'll cycle through the tires to see whats available.
 
I always thought that you could switch from S to N tires no matter what the grade, as they share the same wheel rim.

But you couldn't change from N or S to R tires because they are set on different rims.

You can change grades of tires during an event. (i.e. R2's to R3's).

I have done that from time to time.

If I have to hit the pits in this event, I'll cycle through the tires to see whats available.

You definately CAN NOT change to Racing tyres during 1000 miles events, because racing tyres are not allowed. You can only enter and race 1000 miles with N or S type tyres.

IMO, from the searching I have done and from what has been told to me by many high A-spec pointers, is that you can change the type (N-S or S-N) during the race,
However you get the equivelent N or S type of the original Set you had.

Exaple of this would be the 4Hr Roadster to get 200 A-spec points.
*You start on N1 tyres. You pit and change to S3's. You will actually be fitted with N3 tyres.

All races AFAIK you cannot:
Start with N type, then change to S or R type
Start with S type, then change to N or R type
Start with R type, then change to N or S type

If you can, I will scream and curl up in to a ball, beacuse this would have made the Roadster a walk in the park.


Edit: Found some stuff February last year.

Me, AMG & Nige Post 93-96

leads you to October 25, 2005 GT4 Bugs c/- SportWagon post 552
 
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