1000 Miles junkies . . .

[Austin343]

Sort of a useless place for this information to be, but anyway...

I just finished doing an Arcade Mode race to test this tire-swapping business. It was 10-lapper (although I never finished the race) in an M3 on El Capitan, but the specifics shouldn't matter, nor should the game mode. Some of the details of the results surprised me, but the basics support what I've been saying, along with Open Addict and sukerkin. Being Arcade mode, I obviously couldn't attempt a change to racing tires, but I'm certain that doing that would have yielded the same results.

First off, I started with S1 tires, then pitted on the first lap to swap to N1s. I did another full lap, and the tire wear and performance were the same as on S1s. So changing tire types is impossible. Then I confirmed this result with a race starting on S3s and swapping to N1s. I definitely didn't get N1s; instead, I got S3 performance again, to my surprise. Still no changing of types, but I was wrong that you get the closest tire to what you started with. Then I did a final race starting on N1s, and did several tire swaps in the race, which I've probably got in the wrong order now, but the basics should be the same. I did a lap on N1s and swapped to N3s, and definitely got N3s. Then I tried changing to S3s, and got (surprise again) N1 performance. A lap on those, and then a change to S2s, and N1s were again the actual tires on the car, demonstrating that you can't change tire grades within a tire type even when they're mislabeled (remember, entering each pit stop, it shows me having what I tried to select on the previous stop, even when performance indicates I definitely didn't get them). Finally, I tried to switch to N2s, and again got N1 performance. Edit: Oops, I forgot that when I went to N2s, I actually did get N2s.

The conclusion I come to is that whatever tires you start on, you can change tire grades within that tire type, and if you try to change to a different type (N, S, R) you will get the exact tires you started on. So if you begin with N1s, you can change to N2s or N3s, but no matter which of those you are running on when you attempt to change to S2s, you will get N1s again.

I hope that clears things up. Parnelli, I honestly cannot account for your results, unless you did something crazy like start on S1s, later change to S2s, and try to finish the race on N1s (in which case you would have gotten S1s again).

 

[PARAGON GT]

You definately CAN NOT change to Racing tyres during 1000 miles events, because racing tyres are not allowed. You can only enter and race 1000 miles with N or S type tyres.
fitted with N3 tyres.

I do realize this. My comment was more general than this event specific.

You definately CAN NOT change to Racing tyres during 1000 miles events, because racing tyres are not allowed. You can only enter and race 1000 miles with N or S type tyres.

IMO, from the searching I have done and from what has been told to me by many high A-spec pointers, is that you can change the type (N-S or S-N) during the race,
However you get the equivelent N or S type of the original Set you had.

Exaple of this would be the 4Hr Roadster to get 200 A-spec points.
*You start on N1 tyres. You pit and change to S3's. You will actually be fitted with N3 tyres.

All races AFAIK you cannot:
Start with N type, then change to S or R type
Start with S type, then change to N or R type
Start with R type, then change to N or S type

If you can, I will scream and curl up in to a ball, beacuse this would have made the Roadster a walk in the park.


Edit: Found some stuff February last year.

Me, AMG & Nige Post 93-96

leads you to October 25, 2005 GT4 Bugs c/- SportWagon post 552

Sort of a useless place for this information to be, but anyway...

I just finished doing an Arcade Mode race to test this tire-swapping business. It was 10-lapper (although I never finished the race) in an M3 on El Capitan, but the specifics shouldn't matter, nor should the game mode. Some of the details of the results surprised me, but the basics support what I've been saying, along with Open Addict and sukerkin. Being Arcade mode, I obviously couldn't attempt a change to racing tires, but I'm certain that doing that would have yielded the same results.

First off, I started with S1 tires, then pitted on the first lap to swap to N1s. I did another full lap, and the tire wear and performance were the same as on S1s. So changing tire types is impossible. Then I confirmed this result with a race starting on S3s and swapping to N1s. I definitely didn't get N1s; instead, I got S3 performance again, to my surprise. Still no changing of types, but I was wrong that you get the closest tire to what you started with. Then I did a final race starting on N1s, and did several tire swaps in the race, which I've probably got in the wrong order now, but the basics should be the same. I did a lap on N1s and swapped to N3s, and definitely got N3s. Then I tried changing to S3s, and got (surprise again) N1 performance. A lap on those, and then a change to S2s, and N1s were again the actual tires on the car, demonstrating that you can't change tire grades within a tire type even when they're mislabeled (remember, entering each pit stop, it shows me having what I tried to select on the previous stop, even when performance indicates I definitely didn't get them). Finally, I tried to switch to N2s, and again got N1 performance.

The conclusion I come to is that whatever tires you start on, you can change tire grades within that tire type, and if you try to change to a different type (N, S, R) you will get the exact tires you started on. So if you begin with N1s, you can change to N2s or N3s, but no matter which of those you are running on when you attempt to change to S2s, you will get N1s again.

I hope that clears things up. Parnelli, I honestly cannot account for your results, unless you did something crazy like start on S1s, later change to S2s, and try to finish the race on N1s (in which case you would have gotten S1s again).

Interesting.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

We'll have to agree to disagree so far as the tire topic goes. I've done plenty of tire swapping during races. I almost always start with S1 tires for 1000 Miles! endurances. If I was far ahead of the Ai, and I was driving on S1 tires, after switching to N2 or N3 I would notice a difference in car's handling, lap times, and in some cases the Ai would massively start to catch up to me no matter how hard I drove. It's not my imagination; not something that happened because I "willed" it to happen.

I'm going to need to finish the 1000 Miles in the next few weeks. I'll try and give a detailed, honest description of each race, including lap times on different tire types if I happen to need to swap down or up.

 

[RoadHazzard]

Since there haven't been many suggestions regarding it, I'd propose the following methodology... One I'll leave for others to try...

The two main characteristics of Tires (not rims, regardless of which class/grade of tire is used) are Grip and Wear. A particular set's Grip chars. will show up in the Average Lap Times. Wear chars. will show up as how many laps can be run with them before they go from blue to red.

The car that is used to test for "Tire Class Swapping During Pitstops" should use 3 sets of tires, one each from Standard, Sports, and Racing classes. It'd be best to use a "Road Car" (one that comes pre-equipped with S2s, with no other Tires purchased for it yet), and only two sets should be available at any particluar time. This will ensure that the game can only choose between two (and not three or more) classes/grades of Tire.

- Take a car (pre-equipped with S2s) to the Tune Shop and purchase R5s, leaving them un-equipped.
- Start an endurance race, and run on the S2s until one tire goes red. Pit at the end of that lap, and record the average lap time and # of laps driven.
- Select the R5s in the Pitstop Menu, and proceed to run the race until one tire goes red. Record the average lap time and # of laps driven.
- Exit the Race, and do the same, but starting with the R5s

- Reset the console, and take the same car to the Tune Shop, but purchase N1s this time.
- Enter the same endurance race, and run on the S2s until one tire goes red. Pit at the end of that lap, and record the average lap time and # of laps driven (to confirm the previous run's numbers).
- Select the N1s in the Pitstop Menu, and proceed to run the race until one tire goes red. Record the average lap time and # of laps driven.
- Exit the Race, and do the same, but starting with the N1s

- Exit the race, go to the Tune Shop, and purchase the "missing" set of Tires (N1 if the car already has S2s and R5s, or R5s if it already has S2s and N1s).
- Enter the same endurance race, starting on N1s, and run on them until one tire goes red. Pit at the end of that lap, and record the average lap time and # of laps driven.
- Select the R5s in the Pitstop Menu, and proceed to run the race until one tire goes red. Record the average lap time and # of laps driven.
- Exit the Race, and do the same, but starting with the R5s, and trying to switch to N1s.
...

Assuming we can all agree that there are marked, noticeable differences between N1/S2/R5 Tires, doing the above should indicate whether the game allows for switching between Tire Classes, and what it will actually switch to when we try. I'd recommend using a high-powered Road Car, at the Tokyo endurance. The high power should easily break the N1s loose, and Tokyo is a quick run-around with high-speed turns..

Just my $1/50...

Have A Great Drive!
RoadHazard

 

[PARAGON GT]

Ok, this has been all well and good . . . but . . .Going back on topic . . .

I got beat! Almost was lapped by the screaming Fairlady. Actually I was at one point. Somewhere around lap 29 he came flying up behind me at the end of the straight where you need to break really hard in order to make that tight right turn. (Mulsanne)

Well as I start tu make the turn, and touch my brakes that :censored, ored:🤬🤬🤬🤬 rams into the back end of my car sending me sideways and into the beach!!! I knew he was going to lap me at some point, and I figured I would just let 'em slide on by. But when he blasted me like that I was soooo 🤬 I wanted revenge!!

So I manage to get back onto the track hoping I'll catch up to repay the favor. I know I can cut the time down through out the turns, but I have to catch him before the straight. As I pass the Start/finish line I see that hes not to far ahead. I barrel down on him and catch up just as he is cutting in on the Dunlop curve. I clip his back end, and spin him out into the sand. Last I saw he was sitting in the sand facing the wrong direction.

I managed to make it back to 2nd place, and hold on to it until the end of the race. 5:03 behind the 1st place car. My first loss in the event.

So . . . What cars next?

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Ok, this has been all well and good . . . but . . .Going back on topic . . .

I got beat! Almost was lapped by the screaming Fairlady. Actually I was at one point. Somewhere around lap 29 he came flying up behind me at the end of the straight where you need to break really hard in order to make that tight right turn. (Mulsanne)

Well as I start tu make the turn, and touch my brakes that :censored, ored:🤬🤬🤬🤬 rams into the back end of my car sending me sideways and into the beach!!! I knew he was going to lap me at some point, and I figured I would just let 'em slide on by. But when he blasted me like that I was soooo 🤬 I wanted revenge!!

So I manage to get back onto the track hoping I'll catch up to repay the favor. I know I can cut the time down through out the turns, but I have to catch him before the straight. As I pass the Start/finish line I see that hes not to far ahead. I barrel down on him and catch up just as he is cutting in on the Dunlop curve. I clip his back end, and spin him out into the sand. Last I saw he was sitting in the sand facing the wrong direction.

I managed to make it back to 2nd place, and hold on to it until the end of the race. 5:03 behind the 1st place car. My first loss in the event.

So . . . What cars next?

Ha! great story. I don't know what car you should try next..jeez, you really are a junky!

 

[PARAGON GT]

Yeah, Though I am probably going to run a couple events before stepping back into it.

Test a few cars and such. Maybe even hang out in your "guess that track" thread.

On the last one I was going to say "Swiss Alps" and then changed my mind at the last second.

Oh well.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Yeah, Though I am probably going to run a couple events before stepping back into it.

Test a few cars and such. Maybe even hang out in your "guess that track" thread.

On the last one I was going to say "Swiss Alps" and then changed my mind at the last second.

Oh well.

It's not really my thread.. I just happen to be the one that puts the most pictures up. I wish more people would post pictures, I love getting stumped on something I never noticed for a change.

 

[turbo180]

Hey i've just started practising for my first 1000km race today in a Mini Marcos to get the car just right for the Nurburgring track. I"ll start the race tomorrow so i can finish the whole race myself and without using B-Spec.

 

[ThrottleUp]

Hi Race Fans,

This is my first post on gtp. I found this forum by doing a google search "gt4 max 200 points 1000 miles!" I've been trying to achieve 200 points at the Nurburg & Sarthe. I have 200 pts at Opera & Cote d'Zur using the slug-like Skyline BLRA-3.

I've read several posts indicating 200 point victories at these two tracks, NURBURG & SARTHE. Can any of you give specifics of the winning car, setups & the opposition lineup? Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated.

THANKS, in advance👍

 

[Parnelli Bone]

turbo8: cool, looking forward to your drives
'
ThrrottleUP: Have a look around in the 200 a-spec section (there's an entire SECTION devoted to this stuff). There's a lot to read here.

 

[Andy GT]

1: Plymouth Super Bird '70 : Supercharger, Racing Suspension, Racing Brakes, and O.Z. wheels.
2: Nissan Bluebird Rally Car (510) '69 : Stage 3 Turbo Kit, Port Polish, Racing Chip, Suspension, Brakes and Flywheel, Fully Customisable Transmission and LSD.
3: Chaparral 2D Race Car '67 : No tuning. Completely stock.
4: Jaguar E-Type Coupe '61 : Onlky a basic Engine Balancing and a Raing Chip. Rest is stock.

 

[Smallhorses]

I've read several posts indicating 200 point victories at these two tracks, NURBURG & SARTHE. Can any of you give specifics of the winning car, setups & the opposition lineup? Any help you could give me would be greatly appreciated.

Try in here:

European Events (from the 200 A-spec points subforum.)

In post #1 there's a list of cars that've done this, along with the post numbers within the same thread, in which you can find all the vital information such as tuning, lineups and tactics which were used by each driver.

 

[PARAGON GT]

. . . 3: Chaparral 2D Race Car '67 : No tuning. Completely stock. . . .

I'm pretty sure that the Chaparral isn't eligible for the 1000 miles event.
(unless its a freak glitch)

From what I remember its production cars only. Even on sports tires.
I remember trying to take the '63 Vette race car in once before, and I was denied from entering. Same with the Bluebird Rally car.

I have been contemplating taking the Superbird through the event recently. I know that the points are gonna suck, but my Tor-Red and black velvet cars seem to be calling to me.

But it will have to wait, I have some other cars in line to run the event before I get to that.

Next I think will be the Old Gray Goat that I have been working on. I have the trans set where 1-4 shift at the same point as the stock transmission, but I have 2 more gears incase I have to push the car a little harder.

 

[Andy GT]

I'm pretty sure that the Chaparral isn't eligible for the 1000 miles event.

Yes It was a freakin glitch where I was eligible to use my 2D and my Bluebird Rally Car in the event, and my data ot corrupted the 2 times. So, I only won the 1000 Miles without corrupting my Memeory Card with a Superbird and an XKE.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I have been contemplating taking the Superbird through the event recently. I know that the points are gonna suck, but my Tor-Red and black velvet cars seem to be calling to me.

ooo buddy, that's a challenge! I never did the 1000 Miles! in a Superbird, but I did drive a Superbird in the Pro League Historic Cup races against the Cobra and Buick Special. That car (the Superbird) is a handful at Nurburgring for sure. If you don't know the meaning of "weight transferrence" by sure you're about to get a quick lesson!

 

[PARAGON GT]

Yes It was a freakin glitch . . .

Freak, Freakin' . . . I guess its all the same.
Sorry to hear about your data crash.

ooo buddy, that's a challenge! I never did the 1000 Miles! in a Superbird, but i did drive a Superbird in the Pro League Historic Cup races against the Cobra and Buick Special. That car (the Superbird) is a handful at Nurburgring for sure. If you don't know the meaning of "weight transferrence" by sure you're about to get a quick lesson!

I know, all that power, all that weight. I know that I won't be able to tuck into the corners as well as I could with the Elan. It will be a handfull on the short corses too.

The only thing that I want to do to the car before entering is getting the adjustable trans and set it similar to how I set the GTO. (matching ratio's to the stock trans in first through fourh, then stretch out the final 2 gears. That way I can run it like its stock, but have a little extra oomph on hand if I start falling behind. But i doubt it in this car.)

 

[Open Addict]

Since there haven't been many suggestions regarding it, I'd propose the following methodology... One I'll leave for others to try...

The two main characteristics of Tires (not rims, regardless of which class/grade of tire is used) are Grip and Wear. A particular set's Grip chars. will show up in the Average Lap Times. Wear chars. will show up as how many laps can be run with them before they go from blue to red.

The car that is used to test for "Tire Class Swapping During Pitstops" should use 3 sets of tires, one each from Standard, Sports, and Racing classes. It'd be best to use a "Road Car" (one that comes pre-equipped with S2s, with no other Tires purchased for it yet), and only two sets should be available at any particluar time. This will ensure that the game can only choose between two (and not three or more) classes/grades of Tire.

- Take a car (pre-equipped with S2s) to the Tune Shop and purchase R5s, leaving them un-equipped.
- Start an endurance race, and run on the S2s until one tire goes red. Pit at the end of that lap, and record the average lap time and # of laps driven.
- Select the R5s in the Pitstop Menu, and proceed to run the race until one tire goes red. Record the average lap time and # of laps driven.
- Exit the Race, and do the same, but starting with the R5s

- Reset the console, and take the same car to the Tune Shop, but purchase N1s this time.
- Enter the same endurance race, and run on the S2s until one tire goes red. Pit at the end of that lap, and record the average lap time and # of laps driven (to confirm the previous run's numbers).
- Select the N1s in the Pitstop Menu, and proceed to run the race until one tire goes red. Record the average lap time and # of laps driven.
- Exit the Race, and do the same, but starting with the N1s

- Exit the race, go to the Tune Shop, and purchase the "missing" set of Tires (N1 if the car already has S2s and R5s, or R5s if it already has S2s and N1s).
- Enter the same endurance race, starting on N1s, and run on them until one tire goes red. Pit at the end of that lap, and record the average lap time and # of laps driven.
- Select the R5s in the Pitstop Menu, and proceed to run the race until one tire goes red. Record the average lap time and # of laps driven.
- Exit the Race, and do the same, but starting with the R5s, and trying to switch to N1s.
...

Assuming we can all agree that there are marked, noticeable differences between N1/S2/R5 Tires, doing the above should indicate whether the game allows for switching between Tire Classes, and what it will actually switch to when we try. I'd recommend using a high-powered Road Car, at the Tokyo endurance. The high power should easily break the N1s loose, and Tokyo is a quick run-around with high-speed turns..

Just my $1/50...

Have A Great Drive!
RoadHazard

This challenge has now been completed.

Car: Nissan R390 road car.
Event: Tokyo Endurance

Results.

Car starting on S2: after lap 10 my fastest lap was a 1:55.000 ish (first lap standing start was 2:02.000 ish.) Came in to the pits and select N1 tyres (R5 not available). Lap times for the next 10 laps were consistantly 1:56-1:57

Car Starting on N1: After 2 laps my times were 2:20.000 ish and 2:15.000 ish. (I knew then the tyres were ) Came in to the pits and selected S2 tyres (R5 not available). Lap times for the next 2 laps were 2:22.000 and 2:15.000

Car Starting on R5: After 5 laps my tyres were red. fastest lap was 1:46.000 Came in to pits and I could ONLY select Keep Current or R5 Tyres. (even though the car had N1, S2 and R5 available before the race.

So there you go. This test says that yes you can select a different tyre type (S - N) however you will get the type you started on.


RoadHazzard has also added a test in THIS thread

 

[turbo180]

Yeah i won the first 1000 mile race beating the only car that gave me any competition the Alfa Romeo Giulia spint speciale. It was a close race for most of the race i was in 1st place until i had to pit on lap 5 because of the front tyres were orange. I was using s1 tyres and only changed the front tyres because the back tyres were still green. The Alfa could stay out for 8 laps before he needed the pits. I thought if i can just not let him get to far ahead i'll be able to catch him and pass him when he was in the pits. Working out that he pited every 8 laps he will have to pit on lap 24. Only changed my back tyres once on lap 15. On lap 20 i had a 23sec lead over the Alfa and i had to pit for the final time for front tyres and a little petrol. When i came out of the pit i was just in front of the Alfa all i had to do was stay there until he pited on lap 24 to an easy 32sec win. Now on to the next track Opera Paris.

 

[PARAGON GT]

Very cool. 1 down 3 to go.

You are using the Marcos right. What kind of lineup are you running against?

 

[Parnelli Bone]

yeah i won the first 1000 mile race beating the only car that gave me any competition the alfa romeo giulia spint speciale. it was a close race for most of the race i was in 1st place until i had to pit on lap 5 because of the front tyres were orange. i was using s1 tyres and only changed the front tyres because the back tyres were still green. the alfa could stay out for 8 laps before he needed the pits. i thought if i can just not let him get to far ahead i'll be able to catch him and pass him when he was in the pits. working out that he pited every 8 laps he will have to pit on lap 24. only changed my back tyres once lap 15. on lap 20 i had a 23sec lead over the alfa and i had to pit for the final time for front tyres and a little petrol. when i came out of the pit i was just in front of the alfa all i had to do was stay there until he pited on lap 24 to an easy 32sec win. now on to the next track opera paris.

I was gonna ask what you're driving but then I see PARAGON has noted you've got a Marcos. That would explain why your front tires went so much faster.

 

[turbo180]

Yeah i'm using the Mini Marcos GT. I got 28 A Spec points for the first race. I"ll check the line-up all i know there's a
Alfa Romeo Giulia Spint Special, Mini Marcos gt ( AI ) and Fiat 500 witch got lap a few times.
I liked the line-up that i got and the car set-up i used because i wanted a fair race instead of 1 car getting way to far in front.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

yeah i'm using the mini marcos gt. i got 28 A Spec points for the first race. i check the line-up i'm vs all i know there's a
alfa romeo giulia spint special, mini marcos gt ( AI ) and fiat 500 witch got lap a few times.
i liked the line-up that i got and the car set-up i used because i wanted a fair race instead of 1 car getting way to far in front.

That's why you're awesome. Welcome to our humble forum.

 

[turbo180]

That's why you're awesome. Welcome to our humble forum.

Thank you for the welcome.

 

[Andy GT]

Freak, Freakin' . . . I guess its all the same.
Sorry to hear about your data crash.

That was one of my best games. I was at 70% with a lot of good cars in my garage.

Well, I won this event in my 100% game with a Corvette C2 (early 60's model) and a Dodge Charger 440 R/T (1970 model).

 

[turbo180]

Ok here is the line-up i'm versing Mini Marcos GT, Fiat 500, Honda S800, VW Karmann Ghia Coupe (Type 1) and the Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA. I thought it was the prize car the Sprint Speciale lol.

 

[PARAGON GT]

Yeah, that seems to be the typical lineup that will pop up.

Lets see if I can guess the colors of the cars you are running agains't.
Alpha is red.
Honda is yellow.
AI Marcos is blue
VW is tan
Fiat is light blue (Maybe I have the Fiat and VW colors flipped)backwards.

That seems to be what I have run across in the past.

So I'm getting ready to start my 5th go around in the event. I have decided on the Pontiac GTO, but I can't seem to get a grid that I like to run with.
The only car that I will be avoiding is the AC Cobra since I'm going to run the car 95% stock. (adding a trans) And I know that the Cobra will blow my doors off.

What I'm hoping to run against is the Corvette Sting Ray, the Jag and the Benz. But I haven't hit a lineup with all of them in it. Does anyone know if its even possible?

So far I have gotten line ups that have only one of the mentioned cars, but not two or all of them.

 

[Austin343]

You mean the C2 Corvette Coupe, right, not the Sting Ray? D-N's list doesn't have the C3, and I don't remember ever seeing it. To answer your question, lineups are always repeatable from a console reset (which explains why you get offered that particular lineup so often), and with enough entering and exiting, you can conceivably get any lineup you want, although the feasibility of that is very questionable. You should, however, be able to get two of those three cars without the Cobra within about the first 50 lineups, as a guess. Getting all of them at once would be next to impossible.

Good luck with the race! 👍 You're probably going to be pitting much more often than your competitors - every 3 laps on Nurburgring, I imagine, for example.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Yeah, that seems to be the typical lineup that will pop up.

Lets see if I can guess the colors of the cars you are running agains't.
Alpha is red.
Honda is yellow.
AI Marcos is blue
VW is tan
Fiat is light blue (Maybe I have the Fiat and VW colors flipped)backwards.

That seems to be what I have run across in the past.

You'll notice the line-ups aren't random. They rotate. Took me awhile to figure this one out.

What I'm hoping to run against is the Corvette Sting Ray, the Jag and the Benz. But I haven't hit a lineup with all of them in it. Does anyone know if its even possible?

I don't think it is possible to find this lineup, but I might be wrong. It doesn't matter anyways....with such a line-up, the Jag E-type will dominate everyone else. But give it a try anyways. If you don't see such a line-up within 20 minutes of resetting, I'd not worry about it.

You might try and see if the Lotus Elan shows up with those faster cars. The Lotus only makes one pit stop at Cote and Paris, and it's possible it can give you & these faster cars some competition at these tracks since it gets ahead via pit strategy.

 

[PARAGON GT]

You mean the C2 Corvette Coupe, right, not the Sting Ray? D-N's list doesn't have the C3, and I don't remember ever seeing it.

Yep, you are correct. I was referring to the C2 Corvette Coupe. When you view the car, the car title in the upper right hand corner refers to it as the Corvette Sting Ray. The license plate also says the same. But at the top, its called the Corvette Coupe (C2). That's what always sticks out in my mind.

I guess I'll just have to fumble through until I can get two to pop up together. I hope I can find the Jag and Vette together.