2-Wheel Drive Non-Racing Car Super Lap: Circuito de la Sierra
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- 5,489
- mid west USA
- Otaliema
@Dalone and anyone else that wants to give differnet transmission flavors a try fro the GSX.
Transmissions for the gsx RPM must read 12500 to get these to match, if your RPMS are lower get as close as you can to them should still work well enough.
Balanced in favor of mid speed acceleration TS 270 km/h 100-200 km is best range.
Set Final gear 4.190
Set TS to 250 km/h
1st 4.665
2nd 3.592
3rd 2.832
4th 2.260
5th 1.908
6th 1.609
Set Final to 3.000
TS favored avg ts achived 210 km/h max 272 km/h
Set final 5.100
TS 200 km/h
1st 4.419
2nd 3.522
3rd 2.850
4th 2.363
5th 1.938
6th 1.644
Set final 3.000
Accel transmission
Set final to 3.900
TS to 250 km/h
1st 5.013
2nd 3.685
3rd 2.911
4th 2.421
5th 2.031
6th 1.681
Set final 3.000
Best response area 70km/h-230 km/h Start/Finsh striaght speed 239 km/h at turn, Max reached 268 km/h, average 210 km/h. (500m accel zones)
Car Power 240 hp weight 777 kg. better set ups might get a little better response.
Edit when applied scottys tune minus ol chane i gained 5 km/h to all numbers
Transmissions for the gsx RPM must read 12500 to get these to match, if your RPMS are lower get as close as you can to them should still work well enough.
Balanced in favor of mid speed acceleration TS 270 km/h 100-200 km is best range.
Set Final gear 4.190
Set TS to 250 km/h
1st 4.665
2nd 3.592
3rd 2.832
4th 2.260
5th 1.908
6th 1.609
Set Final to 3.000
TS favored avg ts achived 210 km/h max 272 km/h
Set final 5.100
TS 200 km/h
1st 4.419
2nd 3.522
3rd 2.850
4th 2.363
5th 1.938
6th 1.644
Set final 3.000
Accel transmission
Set final to 3.900
TS to 250 km/h
1st 5.013
2nd 3.685
3rd 2.911
4th 2.421
5th 2.031
6th 1.681
Set final 3.000
Best response area 70km/h-230 km/h Start/Finsh striaght speed 239 km/h at turn, Max reached 268 km/h, average 210 km/h. (500m accel zones)
Car Power 240 hp weight 777 kg. better set ups might get a little better response.
Edit when applied scottys tune minus ol chane i gained 5 km/h to all numbers
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- 8,642
- London
- GTP_Stotty
Interesting 👍
My top speed is 173mph/279kmh (using the tune posted on the previous page)... my gearing will be some sort of stock tranny flip... set final to x, reduce top speed to minimum, set final to y (where y = lowest final number available) - can't be more precise than that as I can't remember what x was
But I would expect to have a higher top speed as I'm running with more ballast and more power (823kg/263bhp) - the GSX-R has proven to give the best performance with these settings in all previous events I've run it in.
When I watched the top time yesterday I did notice his gears are not as closely stacked as mine - he has the same top speed, but is at least 1 gear higher in the lower gears (1-4) than I am throughout the lap.
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GTsail
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- 2,472
- Florida
- GTsail2/GTsail3
After a switch back to the Suzuki GSX (and another oil change), I've been able to run a 9:05.271 lap
I've been chasing a 9:04 ghost, and I can almost catch him, but I lose half a second going thru the second chicane/hairpin about 2/3rds of the way thru the lap. I just can't figure out the correct braking point for the chicane/hairpin so usually my GSX is fish-tailing thru the chicane and I lose a chunk of time.
Great fun!
GTsail
I've been chasing a 9:04 ghost, and I can almost catch him, but I lose half a second going thru the second chicane/hairpin about 2/3rds of the way thru the lap. I just can't figure out the correct braking point for the chicane/hairpin so usually my GSX is fish-tailing thru the chicane and I lose a chunk of time.
Great fun!
GTsail
- 5,489
- mid west USA
- Otaliema
Yeah the more power the better with these light cars, but the fact your only gaining 9 ish km/h over the much lighter car means the transmission is making a diff or power to weight is skwed, (i'm favoring the latter). Try the acceleration transmission as posted I built in a cushin for faster drivers still have 1k rpm in 6th gear.Interesting 👍
My top speed is 173mph/279kmh (using the tune posted on the previous page)... my gearing will be some sort of stock tranny flip... set final to x, reduce top speed to minimum, set final to y (where y = lowest final number available) - can't be more precise than that as I can't remember what x was
But I would expect to have a higher top speed as I'm running with more ballast and more power (823kg/263bhp) - the GSX-R has proven to give the best performance with these settings in all previous events I've run it in.
When I watched the top time yesterday I did notice his gears are not as closely stacked as mine - he has the same top speed, but is at least 1 gear higher in the lower gears (1-4) than I am throughout the lap.
Ohh on your tune I noticed some tire loading issues on the down hill braking zones so I changed the dampers to 6/3 3/6 and that resolved it and allowed me to brake later and turn harder into the turns.
Edit rephrased a section of the statment.
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- 5,489
- mid west USA
- Otaliema
Well i guess it wasn't loading enough, by reducing the dampers the tires stopped glowing except at the very very end of braking as I let off the brakes and that stops as soon as I get on the gas taking the load back off them, and with the faster weight transfer the rear is more stable on hard acceleration, which is good cause i'm using a DS3 hard to get thhrottle control right, the movement difference between no and full throttle is about 3mm *or seems like it*
I'm also a straight line braker so when I trail brake it's not intentional and often gives me mixed results. Love when I get it right but most of the time end up over rotating the car =/
- 8,642
- London
- GTP_Stotty
I'm not one for adjusting dampers once I have a reasonably good feel, preferring to use LSD/toe/rake to manage the balance. And we also have different styles... I'm trail braking and throttle overlaping on this one (gas on whilst braking to help control the weight transfer). So I'm on full brakes for only short periods of time and then I'm easing the brake pressure all the way to the apex. Likely we would need different settings.
With a wheel, the throttle is pretty much an on/off switch on this car - very few places where you can't use full gas once you've got the car to the apex.
If you want more stability on the exits, I'd suggest lowering LSD accel... this will give you a much wider margin on the gas. The GSX-R needs very low LSD accel even for very fast drivers - I'm using 12 on Sierra as the track seems to have more grip than somewhere like Bathurst, but you could easily go down to 10 (or lower), not lose much on exit acceleration, but leave yourself a much bigger margin on the throttle.
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- mid west USA
- Otaliema
- 28
- Málaga
sorry for my delay in responding.... Haha a fantasy track, but inspired by real roads in the area, of course they have not banked or decorating competition....Don´t confuse Málaga with a similar sounding greek word @Dalonethe greek one is a swear word.
@Mcabro you said "this road..." but Circuito de la Sierra in GT is still mostly a fantasy track, right? Or would you say the course of the road is an accurate replication of the real roads around the reservoir (lake) of Zahara?
Sorry for off-topic.
Back on. I only set a time with my 450 PP Opel Corsa for now, 8 seconds away from gold. I will try to get gold with something like a stock Lotus Carlton later. I don´t like the GSX and I´m glad it seems to become a trend here to look for alternatives rather than simply picking the obligatory GSXs/2Ds, my friends leaderboards are still frequently full of them.
- 19
- Ipswich
- DaleCass
Finally!!! I'm the 3,419th fastest person round here!! My time was 9:34.XXX.
My highest ever ranking. Although, it was with the GSX-R/4. :-(
I honestly didn't want to use it. I splurged £15m on a Miura as I though "Hey. This will be cool".
Cool? Definitely! Successful? Nope. Not for me anyway.
I'll still keep plugging away with it on the practice course. One day a sub 10 minute lap will be mine.
Congratulations to anyone else that has achieved a trophy on this TT. To everyone else......DO NOT GIVE UP. You'll get there.
My highest ever ranking. Although, it was with the GSX-R/4. :-(
I honestly didn't want to use it. I splurged £15m on a Miura as I though "Hey. This will be cool".
Cool? Definitely! Successful? Nope. Not for me anyway.
I'll still keep plugging away with it on the practice course. One day a sub 10 minute lap will be mine.
Congratulations to anyone else that has achieved a trophy on this TT. To everyone else......DO NOT GIVE UP. You'll get there.
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Thanks Otaliema for taking the trouble to post those gear settings, it's always easier for some (me especially) when I can actually see it written down.
And it's and interesting conversation between you and Stotty on damper settings etc, this is how I tune my cars, by reading how those with some nouse do it. Thanks for that.
Of course I use a controller (buttons) and maybe not everything pairs up that way, but I think most of it is applicable.
And it's and interesting conversation between you and Stotty on damper settings etc, this is how I tune my cars, by reading how those with some nouse do it. Thanks for that.
Of course I use a controller (buttons) and maybe not everything pairs up that way, but I think most of it is applicable.
- 5,489
- mid west USA
- Otaliema
You should learn R2L2 throttle breaking its not a boat load of control compaired to. Wheel but it's far better than the digital mode your in now same with steering if your not already on left stick I would suggest practice it, your times will drop while you learn it but once you got it down you can actually feather the gas and left foot break and hold a steady throttle through a turn.
Granted a couple of the fitt guys @Lionheart2113 and one or two others I think are square x and they are bloody fast so I know it can be effective.
With dampers in the 1.09 update they seemed to become almost a personal preference setting in the suspension as most cars can go up and down one or clicks from a "perfect" set up for the car and it has a motif or impact on the car, like the LSD accel setting on my gsx I am running 7 currently I drop it to 6 the car tightens up and can really take a thrashing but it it doesn't like to turn as well, and on 8 it loosens up to where I have ease the gas or I will start to slide out but it turns really well.
- 792
- California
- GTP_luv2drive
@Otaliema, nice job with the transmission settings!
I used the first one in your list and was able to shave 3+ seconds off my time down to 9:23.0xx. Definitely a noticeable improvement in the feel of the car with the new gearings. I might experiment with the other settings or mabye the LSD to see if I can push the car a little more.
I used the first one in your list and was able to shave 3+ seconds off my time down to 9:23.0xx. Definitely a noticeable improvement in the feel of the car with the new gearings. I might experiment with the other settings or mabye the LSD to see if I can push the car a little more.
- 5,161
- Massachusetts
Congratulations @SW__10 on the top 20 finish!! Didn't you just start this event only a few days ago? Was it you who said you weren't really familiar with the track yet? If so... Major props to you! Also, great job @GT_Rajman for the #17 placement. This was a long event to go through. I ran two laps. A DQ on my first lap and then I posted a lame 9m53s, good enough for gold and I hit the bricks...
I really like this course. I could drive it all day, but you guys know how I always whine about not being able to run lap after lap even on regular length courses. If I were to try hot lapping this thing and kept getting DQ's at the 8 or 9 minute mark, I would have had an aneurysm. No thanks!
And finally, congratulations to @Brunoblak for continuing to have his illegitimate times removed by Sony. Bravo!
P.S. Congratulations to anyone else that I didn't mention for posting excellent times. To be honest, I'm trying to scroll through the World Leaderboard but my system locks up for like 10 seconds, or it will scroll one position every 2-3 seconds and I just got frustrated and abandoned my search for familiar names. Sorry... Great job everyone! 👍
I really like this course. I could drive it all day, but you guys know how I always whine about not being able to run lap after lap even on regular length courses. If I were to try hot lapping this thing and kept getting DQ's at the 8 or 9 minute mark, I would have had an aneurysm. No thanks!
And finally, congratulations to @Brunoblak for continuing to have his illegitimate times removed by Sony. Bravo!
P.S. Congratulations to anyone else that I didn't mention for posting excellent times. To be honest, I'm trying to scroll through the World Leaderboard but my system locks up for like 10 seconds, or it will scroll one position every 2-3 seconds and I just got frustrated and abandoned my search for familiar names. Sorry... Great job everyone! 👍
- 307
- Mackay/QLD/Australia
- macdog54
Finally after a couple of hours a day over the last week and a ridiculous amount of restarts I mamaged a 9.17.5 ( maybe it was the 4 beers to chill out) with Stotty's tune and Otaliema's transmission settings, have never spent soo much time on a time attack before.
- 11,207
- Adrian, Mich.
- cargorat323
- CargoRatt
Thanks! 👍 Still a week to go!
I was unfamiliar with this track, so got stuck into the practice mode.
Now I've got my head around the track it's just a question of sorting out brake points, shift points and then trying to put it all together to set my best lap time.
I can recommend the practice mode in the Sierra events to anyone struggling.
Being able to repeat one of the four sectors over and over has helped me so much 👍.
Good luck to all.
- 907
- CAR_ODB
Hey, first of all thanks again for providing well crafted tune!! I already made lap under 8.58 on your tune made for mount panorama, and managed to improve yesterday with couple of tenths with that new one. Watching your times drop on my friendlist got me in awe yesterday! I have a new challenge for this event "how long I can still see SWThanks! 👍 Still a week to go!
I was unfamiliar with this track, so got stuck into the practice mode.
Now I've got my head around the track it's just a question of sorting out brake points, shift points and then trying to put it all together to set my best lap time.
I can recommend the practice mode in the Sierra events to anyone struggling.
Being able to repeat one of the four sectors over and over has helped me so much 👍.
Good luck to all.
I mean to make such times here compares to making 7 perfect laps on ascari on a row!! Truly a huge feat!! But yeah, like someone said, there's still a week to go so let's not relax just yet!!
- 8,642
- London
- GTP_Stotty
I have a new challenge for this event "how long I can still see SW
Same here... I can get a decent amount ahead over the 1st 3 mins of the lap, but there's a section where his ghost line just flies past me and then slowly disappears!
I know the back half of the track much better now, but it's a bit of a mute point as I'm off to Spain for a week tomorrow am so won't get chance to run again
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