2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

[kikie]

It sounds like you're in love with this car!?

 

[forza2.0]

there was a 10 second difference between a V8 vantage with stock tires and one with semi racing ones. I imagine if you stuck cut slicks on it the car would be alot faster still.

 

[Dave A]

I'd take the Aston Martin without question. Certainly, its more expensive, probably more prone to braking, and definitely a league or so slower, but my God the beauty is unmatched in the segment. The thought of waking up everyday to see that sitting in my driveway, starting it up with the bark of that V8, and pulling out with the crisp shifts of the manual lever all make everything right in the world.

You have no idea how much I agree with you, the Aston is just in another league when it comes to desirability imo.

 

[forza2.0]

The aston does have one of the most beautiful idling tones I have ever heard. I would take it over the GTR also, especially when auto motor und sport soon prove to us that it will be barely faster than the aston!

 

[Kent]

GT-R hands down.
I love the AM (saw one just the other day) but I'd never bet on the AM being as versatile (especially down here on the nasty roads of Louisiana). Might be wrong about that but the GT-R seems like it would have a bit more suspension travel and clearance than the V8 Vantage.

In any case, it's good to see that Nissan managed to get the GT-R into a position where people are comparing it with the AMV8. 👍

 

[McLaren]

Which reminds me; Has anyone ran the updated (ie 600 BHP) SRT-10 Coupe at the 'Ring yet?

I've heard it should be soon.

I'm interrupting this discussion but I'm curious, which car would you choose?

* Aston Martion V8 Vantage

or

* Nissan GT-R

Aston Martin. Why? Same reason you'd pick a Ferrari. The company has created so many great cars, that you know you're getting your absolute worth with the V8. I mean, no offense to Nissan, but honestly. An Aston Martin (a company credited for designing the most beautiful luxury-sport cars) or a Nissan? The choice will be obvious for 99% of the people asked.

 

[a6m5]

I'm interrupting this discussion but I'm curious, which car would you choose?

* Aston Martion V8 Vantage

or

* Nissan GT-R

GT-R. I've liked the Skylines even before I was aware of the company called Aston Martin. But the main reason is the practicality. I love British everything, but I could buy their cars only if I could afford to keep it on the road.

 

[Joey D]

I'm interrupting this discussion but I'm curious, which car would you choose?

* Aston Martion V8 Vantage
or
* Nissan GT-R

Seriously you want to know whether I would pick a Nissan or an Aston? Wow this isn't even a contest for me, I've have the Aston in heart beat. Not only is it a good looking car it's quite the performer as well.

 

[YSSMAN]

Maybe this is a better question;

Porsche 911 Carrera 4S

or

Nissan GT-R?

 

[McLaren]

Maybe this is a better question;

Porsche 911 Carrera 4S

or

Nissan GT-R?

The Porsche. Sorry, but I'm easily buying it for the name alone.

 

[Joey D]

The 911, I still don't think I would ever be able to pay $70,000 for a Nissan.

 

[YSSMAN]

Given that the rather "simple" Carrera can still bring the hammer down on the Audi R8, I still consider it the standard in the class. No matter how fast the GT-R may be. The only problem is, the way I like my Porsches, they get very expensive indeed...

 

[SlipZtrEm]

The aston does have one of the most beautiful idling tones I have ever heard. I would take it over the GTR also, especially when auto motor und sport soon prove to us that it will be barely faster than the aston!

I'm willing to bet the Nissan will end up around 10+ seconds ahead of the Vantage over the 'Ring. That's an eternity on a track. IIRC, the Vantage just hovers around the 8min mark.

Oh, and for those arguing against the GT-R based on p/w ratio; explain to me why the SRT-10 can't break into the sub-8's? Should it not be destroying times? Or why can't TVR's break records, instead of just break?

That being said... I would take the Aston over the Nissan, no question. I've been a huge fan of Aston for years, and they don't even compete. Though, I'd rather have a Vanquish Ultimate Edition... .

Porsche or Nissan? Tougher call. I don't know where this "basic 911 > R8" thing came about, though I'll admit I haven't checked the American rags opinions yet, but I know Evo actually sees the four-ringed Lambo as the new standard. I'm still unconvinced though, and while I can't argue that the R8 is really exceeding expectations, I don't know if I'd take it over the 911. The GT-R though, I think I'd take because at least here it doesn't have the same negative conotations associated with it. I'd assume it'd be just as easy to live with every day, just as reliable, and chances are, even given those looks, it'd still be safer parked on the street than a Porsche. I could come up with convincing arguments to choose either side, but today, I'd take a chance with the Nissan.

 

[Joey D]

Oh, and for those arguing against the GT-R based on p/w ratio; explain to me why the SRT-10 can't break into the sub-8's? Should it not be destroying times?

It's not made to be a 'Ring attack car, it's got a giant V-10 in it. Brute power? Yes. Nimbleness? Not so much. Will it be good on some tracks? Yes of course, but not the 'Ring.

 

[YSSMAN]

Porsche or Nissan? Tougher call. I don't know where this "basic 911 > R8" thing came about, though I'll admit I haven't checked the American rags opinions yet, but I know Evo actually sees the four-ringed Lambo as the new standard.

Both Top Gear and Fifth Gear demonstrated that the Porsche can pretty much do everything that the R8 can do despite the power deficit and the obvious difference in price as well. While I certainly admire the R8 for its beauty, I can't fault the engineering excellence of the Porsche...

 

[Leonidae]

I'd go for GT-R naturally. Innovative, every model has brought something new, hasn't gotten stuck on ancient layout like certain stuttgarts over-glorified evolution of VW Beetle. AWD is needed whenever there's snow or wet, big boot helps, as does the advanced technology the car has.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

It's not made to be a 'Ring attack car, it's got a giant V-10 in it. Brute power? Yes. Nimbleness? Not so much. Will it be good on some tracks? Yes of course, but not the 'Ring.

That's precisely my point. Not every car is absolutely optomized for 'Ring-running, even if they are tested there at some point in their development. For an example off the top of my head; the SLR and GT-R both probably are designed to have at least a few "GT" features to them, for the long-distance drives people are undoubtedly going to put them through. But I'd like to think the GT-R has a higher percentage of its development focused on out-and-out sportiness though, so while its ratio may not be superior to the Merc, the fact they pushed the car that much more would see a favourable time. A better example: An E550 has what, 370hp and weighs around 1750-1800 kg? A 350Z must have roughly the same ratio, down on both numbers. I doubt they'd run identical times though. That's my long-winded reasoning for why people should stop focusing on p/w ratios like they are somehow perfectly related to lap times. It's stupid.

Both Top Gear and Fifth Gear demonstrated that the Porsche can pretty much do everything that the R8 can do despite the power deficit and the obvious difference in price as well. While I certainly admire the R8 for its beauty, I can't fault the engineering excellence of the Porsche...

"Pretty much" makes me think that it does it "nearly" as well as the R8. I'd rather have the out-right better performer . Evo's test track has the R8 up there with the Superleggera (the GT3 is a way's behind), and less than a second off the Macca and Enzo. I really am curious to see how the car compares on more of the world's circuits though, their track is a pretty small one.

 

[kikie]

Maybe this is a better question;

Porsche 911 Carrera 4S

or

Nissan GT-R?

I've always been a Porsche fan but a standard 997, no I prefer the GT-R in this case. If you would say, the 997 GT3 or GT3 RS I would get the Porsche.


EDIT: I don't know if this has been mentioned in this thread. Just read that there're going to be 2 other models, a V-spec and an Evo, both with 530 hp and 100 kg less than the standard GT-R.

 

[Leonidae]

I've also read about V-Spec, but I seriously doubt that there will be Evo-version since Mitsubishi would be very pissed off after that one. I'm willing to believe that it'll be V-Spec II or V-Spec Nur or something like that.

 

[McLaren]

Why would they be pissed? Their cars are Lancer Evolution's, not Lancer Evo's.

 

[Joey D]

I posted something about the V-spec already. And I agree I don't see why they would be mad, it's an Evolution not an Evo like McLaren said. Evo is just a nickname, like Vette.

 

[Leonidae]

True, but it would cause some confusion and mistakes between these two cars.

 

[Joey D]

Not it wouldn't, they don't even look the same, they aren't from the same manufacturer, and they aren't even in the same class of vehicles. The Mistu Evo is a ralley car for the road while the Skyline is just a sports car.

 

[Leonidae]

*cough* supercar now..*cough*

 

[Joey D]

A Nissan Skyline is NOT a supercar, in my opinion, no matter how much the Skyline fanboys wish it was. Sports car? Yes of course. Good track car? Yes.

Everyone has their own classification however, so whatever, I will never call it a supercar though and I will probably laugh at those who do.

 

[TheCracker]

I'd file the Skyline in the 'Sportscar' or 'Sports Coupe' folder along side the 911 or 6-Series BMW. I don't think having rear seats, and therefore an element of practicality, allows it Supercar status.

 

[Leonidae]

But that's the point.. Skyline IS sportscar, GT-R is SUPERCAR, since GT-R and Skyline are no longer related to each other. similar shape, maybe, but totally different cars and platforms.

 

[Joey D]

Ok fine, I don't see the GT-R as a super car either. I do agree it is a good track performer and it is quite fast, but it's just not supercar material in my opinion. The image of supercar conjures up a mid-engine, impractical car, that looks a bit on the funky side. The GT-R just looks like a bloated 350Z.

 

[Joey D]

Looks like they made a JGTC version of the car.

We announced earlier that Nissan would be running the GT-R in the GT500 class of the SUPER GT series in Japan for 2008. At that time, we didn't have any photos for you, but a few (five, actually) have finally surfaced of the race car testing at Suzuka. The widened body, massive rear wing, and heavily vented hood make it that much meaner looking than the street version. Click the image above or select an image below to view the gallery.

Gallery

 

[Cap'n Jack]

The Super GT car looks just amazing! Lets hope it races just as well!