2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

[forza2.0]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Sportauto with the famous driver Horst has driven the new Skyline on N-ring.

7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Nissan GT-R, 480 PS/1750 kg, Horst von Saurma, partially wet track (sport auto 12/07)


Horst von Saurma, chief editor of sport auto magazine, completed about 100 kms with the new Nissan GT-R at the Nurburgring Nordschleife. Best time he achieved was a 7:50 on a partiallly wet track especially at one of the key passages so called Kesselchen.

With all the electronic aids the handling is absolutely perfect, the driver doens´t feel how the drive-by-wire system really works as the GT-R stay on track like on rails, always has grip, doesn´t lose control, higly computerized and a perfect racer for the street. A time less than 7:40 is pretty much optimistic, 7:50 shows the true potential of the car. And when the price stays at the announced level, it is a real bargain.

This will be confirmed by a article in the magazine soon enough

 

[Leonidae]

and that was on PARTIALLY WET TRACK again, mind you.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

and that was on PARTIALLY WET TRACK again, mind you.

wasnt nissans lap?.......

 

[forza2.0]

and that was on PARTIALLY WET TRACK again, mind you.

When the article comes out we will most likely get a detailed analysis of the car and the lap like sport auto usually do.

 

[Stevisiov]

Here we go again...

for my 0.96 pence on the matter, I didn't fully trust the Nissan lap. That said I want to read the full report before I make my judgement, I suppose alot of it depends on how 'partially wet' the track is. Still the time is impressive perhaps not the Porsche 911 slayer it was first portrayed as but I still think its a great car regardless.

 

[forza2.0]

Didnt sport auto only manage a 7min 50 in the 997 TT also? I cant be bothered to go check.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Here we go again...

for my 0.96 pence on the matter, I didn't fully trust the Nissan lap. That said I want to read the full report before I make my judgement, I suppose alot of it depends on how 'partially wet' the track is. Still the time is impressive perhaps not the Porsche 911 slayer it was first portrayed as but I still think its a great car regardless.

according to this article it states that one of the drivers was reportedly Horst von Saurma,same driver that did this lap,Now hes saying that under 7:40 is "pretty much optimistic" really does say alot about nissans 7:38 claim.

 

[forza2.0]

according to this article it states that one of the drivers was reportedly Horst von Saurma,same driver that did this lap,Now hes saying that under 7:40 is "pretty much optimistic" really does say alot about nissans 7:38 claim.

Hilarious isnt it. If one of the best 'ring drivers does not think he can do under 7:40 what chances does anyone else have of achivieving it

And nissan reckon they could get it under 7 mins 35 secs: Yeah right not without upping boost, loosing weight and cut slicks

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Hilarious isnt it. If one of the best 'ring drivers does not think he can do under 7:40 what chances does anyone else have of achivieving it

And nissan reckon they could get it under 7 mins 35 secs: Yeah right not without upping boost, loosing weight and cut slicks

Not just any 'ring driver though,one that was reportedly part of the nissan test team who helped develop the car

 

[forza2.0]

Not just any 'ring driver though,one that was reportedly part of the nissan test team who helped develop the car

It gets even better

I think some people now owe you an apology, and admit that both of us were right. And to think we were called such names just because we had doubts over the GTR's pace

 

[SlipZtrEm]

You are obviously getting confused let me clarify what my stance is.

1. The GT-R will struggle to get a 7 50 time with semi racing tires.
2. I predict that without semi racing tires it will struggle to get under 8 mins.
3. I predict that any time nissan got under 7 mins 40 will have been with either slicks or cut slicks.

Show me again where you were right. So it got a 7'50, without semi-racing tires, on a partially damp track. That reads to me like it would achieve a 7'4x if the track were dry. Oh, on stock tires.

 

[Greycap]

Don't bother Slip, you can't win against these guys. Not because you aren't right but because they don't admit it. To them, we're just GT-R fanboys no matter what happens.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Don't bother Slip, you can't win against these guys. Not because you aren't right but because they don't admit it. To them, we're just GT-R fanboys no matter what happens.

so the independent test(that everyone was waiting for) is lies because it shows the GTR isnt as fast in similar conditions with a similarly experienced driver?

 

[Tornado]

No. The independent test is perfectly valid. The problem is that forza2.0's assertion that he is owed an apology because he was right all along is wrong because forza2.0 was wrong. The fact that it didn't pull the 7:38 isn't the issue (and we still don't know enough about that lap to determine its validity). The fact that he asserts he was right even though his assertions were incorrect is the issue.

 

[forza2.0]

Show me again where you were right. So it got a 7'50, without semi-racing tires, on a partially damp track. That reads to me like it would achieve a 7'4x if the track were dry. Oh, on stock tires.

No I am right because the GTR did a 7 min 50 WITH semi racing tires. Its fitted with semi racing tires as standard as we have found out in the course of this thread. So yes I was right bang on the money. 7 mins 50 is what I predicted and 7 mins 50 is what it did.

 

[Leonidae]

where are you pulling these semi racing tires again? IMO, semi racing tires are similar to those that come in some Exige model (semi slicks), or Porsche GT3 RS. I didn't know that there could be run-flat semi-racing tyres.. Proof, dude.. where's your proof..

 

[forza2.0]

where are you pulling these semi racing tires again? IMO, semi racing tires are similar to those that come in Exige S.

Semi racing tires as regarded by sport auto is pilot cup sports and RE0888's etc. The GTR wears bridgestone RE0888's specifically made for it. (i think thats the tire name, all I know is that they are considered as semi racing.)

We have been through this already countless of times.

 

[Leonidae]

Semi racing tires as regarded by sport auto is pilot cup sports and RE0888's etc. The GTR wears bridgestone RE0888's specifically made for it. (i think thats the tire name, all I know is that they are considered as semi racing.)

We have been through this already countless of times.

umm.. no. they're still RE070 runflats.

 

[forza2.0]

umm.. no. they're still RE070 runflats.

Thats the one im thinking of and yes they are semi racing. Bridgestone do a non runflat version also. The top UK spec EVO's (the ones that make US versions look tame) wear those tires.

 

[Leonidae]

Potenza RE070

Racing semi slicks

look at the pictures, and think again. even you should be able to tell the difference. RE070 has more tread and surface pattern that the semi racing slicks that you keep foaming about.

 

[Greycap]

No I am right because the GTR did a 7 min 50 WITH semi racing tires. Its fitted with semi racing tires as standard as we have found out in the course of this thread. So yes I was right bang on the money. 7 mins 50 is what I predicted and 7 mins 50 is what it did.

Finally got you caught.

I mean really how about using a a degree of common sense here, chances are on standard road tyres (presumedly those horrid runflats) the GTR will struggle to beat the 8 min mark unless nissan have drastically underrated the engine.

Would you now care to explain us all how those "horrid runflats" turned into semi racing tyres as soon as it was proved that the car is fast on them?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

semi racing tires are similar to those that come in some Exige model (semi slicks), or Porsche GT3 RS.

er.....no they dont.


p.s R888's are the best road tyres ever

 

[forza2.0]

Potenza RE070

Racing semi slicks

look at the pictures, and think again. even you should be able to tell the difference. RE070 has more tread and surface pattern that the semi racing slicks that you keep foaming about.

lol at you linking a picture of semi slicks from a R/C car website. Mate we are talking about cars here not little toys. lol @ you posting a pic of remote control car tyres.


My Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3's have a treadwear rating of 220. The GSD3's are one of the best high performance tires a car can buy. The RE070's back in 2004 had a treadwear rating of 140. Those are semi racing tires treadwear ratings. The only difference is that they are road legal.

The fastest roadlegal Evo in Germany wears RE070's. The tire costs about £150 each. From the same supplier my GSD3's cost about £80.

My mate has these tyres on an import spec C subaru which is used for track days, they are excellent as good if not better than a046s, at moment they are only availible in 225/17 but i belive the latest subaru ( version 9 ) will have these tyres in 235, so same as evo 8, my mate bought the last 16 of these in the uk a month ago, so dont know if any more are availible.

I have them on my Evo since April,they are the best "street tyre" i�ve ever driven,better than the A046 that i had befor,perfect for trackday�s,i love them

ok i bought 4 x Bridgestone RE070 for $700 (some call them street legal semis)! Has 95% thread on them, brand new ones would cost me nearly $1500. These are OEM tyres on the 05/06' STI and have extremely stiff sidewalls, known to many to grip even better than some semis. They are also better in the wet and quieter and have much better wear rates up to 40,000kms for street driving. In the latest MOTOR, they eve said the the STI has an edge over the EVO bcus of these tyres.

The RE070's are semi racing tires. The guys above say it, sport auto says it and bridgestone say it. They are dangerous in the wet.

Would you now care to explain us all how those "horrid runflats" turned into semi racing tyres as soon as it was proved that the car is fast on them?

Because that was before I found out bridgestone actaully made semi racing run flats. I thought they were gonna be ordinary crappy runflats like fitted to BMW's

 

[Leonidae]

The RE070's are semi racing tires. The guys above say it, sport auto says it and bridgestone say it. They are dangerous in the wet.

and exactly where on the bridgestone site they say that it's semi-slick? it has semi-slick shoulder design, yes, but the rest is more regular performance tyre.

 

[forza2.0]

and exactly where on the bridgestone site they say that it's semi-slick? it has semi-slick shoulder design, yes, but the rest is more regular performance tyre.

I did not say it was semi slick

I said it was semi racing. Not just slicks or semi slicks are racing tires

Semi racing tires = Roadlegal track day tires.

 

[Leonidae]

and they don't say anything about racing tyres either. All they mention is "ultra high performance summer tyre", not "semi-racing" or "semi-slick" or semi anything.

http://www.bridgestone.eu

 

[///M-Spec]

Thats the one im thinking of and yes they are semi racing. Bridgestone do a non runflat version also. The top UK spec EVO's (the ones that make US versions look tame) wear those tires.

If you think the RE070 is a semi-racing tire, then you have no idea what a racing tire is.

The Potenza RE070 is classified as an Ultra-High Performance tire, which is similar to a Max Performance tire like the RE050A Pole Position, Pilot Sport PS2 or Eagle F1 GS-D3. These tires are LESS aggressive than the so called "Extreme Performance" tires like the RE-01R or ADVAN Neova AD07.

All of these STREET tires are not at all comparable to a semi-legal Competition Tire like a Pilot Sport Cup or ADVAN A048. For one, they are delivered with only the MINIMUM tread depth to be road legal. A full street tire like the RE070 is delivered with more.

More over, the RE070 has a UTQG treadwear rating of 140. Meanwhile a Sport Cup has a rating of 80 and ADVAN A048 has a rating of 60.

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OTOH,

Now just because I think forza2.0 is trying to recant/change his argument to suit the facts DOESN'T mean the rest of you guys should think we've all forgotten about the issue that turned this thread into a raging debate.

Those of you who swallowed Nissan's word, hook, line and sinker (and acted so indignantly when some people questioned their claim of 7:38) should probably be helping yourself to a serving of humble pie right about now.

At the very least, you shouldn't be shouting so loud about how forza2.0 is wrong, because 7:50 is quite a long way away from 7:38.


M

 

[Leonidae]

Fair enough. And then we also have to consider, that the weather conditions and differences in drivers styles and experience are also causing noticeable differences in lap performance.

 

[Greycap]

lol at you linking a picture of semi slicks from a R/C car website. Mate we are talking about cars here not little toys. lol @ you posting a pic of remote control car tyres.

Did it ever occur to you that real semi slicks look just similar? I guess you've never watched rallying.

My Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3's have a treadwear rating of 220. The GSD3's are one of the best high performance tires a car can buy. The RE070's back in 2004 had a treadwear rating of 140. Those are semi racing tires treadwear ratings. The only difference is that they are road legal.

Odd comparing. There are 1000+ bhp cars on the streets, completely road legal. Does more power than a F1 car make them race cars? Your logic says yes. The facts say no.

The fastest roadlegal Evo in Germany wears RE070's. The tire costs about £150 each. From the same supplier my GSD3's cost about £80.

Really odd comparing. Using this logic, a Maybach must be just about as much a race car as a WRC rally car.

The RE070's are semi racing tires. The guys above say it, sport auto says it and bridgestone say it. They are dangerous in the wet.

Show us the sentence in those quotes that says they're semi racing tyres. There is none. They say "some call them street legal semis", they say "known to many to grip even better than some semis", they say that someone owns a car with those tyres that is used for track days. Opinions hardly count as facts, neither does a story of someone's track day car.

Not one single sentence says they're semi racing tyres.

Oddly enough, it also says "They are also better in the wet" so where did you get that "dangerous in the wet" thing from? Every road car tyre is dangerous in the wet when there is enough of water.

Because that was before I found out bridgestone actaully made semi racing run flats. I thought they were gonna be ordinary crappy runflats like fitted to BMW's

How many of these things have you "thought" that you've been passing to us as facts?

Not one of us knows the skill level of the Nissan test driver. Maybe he's just so good that the time was real. Maybe not. Is it possible? Definitely yes.

 

[forza2.0]

If you think the RE070 is a semi-racing tire, then you have no idea what a racing tire is.

The Potenza RE070 is classified as an Ultra-High Performance tire, which is similar to a Max Performance tire like the RE050A Pole Position, Pilot Sport PS2 or Eagle F1 GS-D3. These tires are LESS aggressive than the so called "Extreme Performance" tires like the RE-01R or ADVAN Neova AD07.

All of these STREET tires are not at all comparable to a semi-legal Competition Tire like a Pilot Sport Cup or ADVAN A048. For one, they are delivered with only the MINIMUM tread depth to be road legal. A full street tire like the RE070 is delivered with more.

More over, the RE070 has a UTQG treadwear rating of 140. Meanwhile a Sport Cup has a rating of 80 and ADVAN A048 has a rating of 60.

Well Im only going by what sport auto class as semi racing tires. Maybe they dumb it down for us just to indicate when one vehicle is wearing a really high performance tire such as a PS2 compared to ordinary so called premium high performance tires such as Pirelli P6000. Or maybe the classification of whats legal is completly different in germany or the EU.


However that site must have got things wrong though. RE070's easily outclass my GSD3's yet my tires are rated above them even though when the treadwear rating is nearly double. The RE070 should be classified as extreme.

The RE0-R has a treadwear rating of 180 which is worse than the RE070...