2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery
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Like im gonna make things up. Im starting to think you are painting me as a GTR hater.
I will get it translated about the 4.8 sec bit and post it. If someone here things im making stuff up im pretty sure they wont have too hard a time to find a german speaker to translate for them and show me up as a liar.
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To be perfectly blunt about it, given your track record for totally unsubstantiated claims and presentation of opinion as fact, are you in the least bit surprised that members are naturally cautious?
You are currently falling victim of your own past actions here, please try and keep that in mind before expressing surprise at the reaction of other members.
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well mines didnt waste time.....have to admit it does look rather nice in white but theres still just something about that grill that makes it seem horrible.its also like the rear lights off a 350z as the headlights and the bonnet off a V8 vantage.
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Hmm, so it looks good in plain white and plain black so far... out of curiosity, I want to see the old R34 signature blue, I'm wondering how that will look.
I'm glad Famine has confirmed my long-time suspicions too. On more than one occasion I've had a feeling of deja vu.
Re: the 0-60 time. Independant testing of the 911 Turbo have been right around Porsche's claim (high 3's) to mid to high 4's. There's tons of variables there too, just like everything else. One magazine doesn't equal fact. Not to mention these are press cars, so I wouldn't doubt they're having the crap beat out of them.
I'm glad Famine has confirmed my long-time suspicions too. On more than one occasion I've had a feeling of deja vu.
Re: the 0-60 time. Independant testing of the 911 Turbo have been right around Porsche's claim (high 3's) to mid to high 4's. There's tons of variables there too, just like everything else. One magazine doesn't equal fact. Not to mention these are press cars, so I wouldn't doubt they're having the crap beat out of them.
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Looks like the US is getting that Mine's version.
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http://drive.gtchannel.com/?c=125&a=1515
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That article isn't very clear; did they just say Mine's has a hand in the GT500 car, or no? Oh well, seeing both on the track would be pretty cool.
Funny how Nissan said they've made this car so much more difficult for tuners to work with... it's only a matter of time.
Funny how Nissan said they've made this car so much more difficult for tuners to work with... it's only a matter of time.
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I don't think it'll be as readilly tunable as GT-R of past, it's higher tuned from the factory. Nissan's aim with tihs car is to make the GT-R more presitge. Their line of thinking will be that it's harder to tune but it doesn't need as much tuning in the first place. I can still see a lot of tuners getting in on the act and modding GT-R's to hell, but I doubt it will be as cost efficient to tune this compared to older GT-R's.
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what i have learned from this thread
1) the gt-r is crap
2) GOD I LOVE GERMANY GERMANY MAKE BEST CAR NUMBER 1
As for the tuning, it's never been cheap to get big numbers out of a skyline. I did a little research a few months back as I was curious and wanted to look into R32/33 ownership and I was pretty much like damn. Plus I doubt many people are going to want to mess around with a brand new car, I mean there will be a few but most people wont.
Also have you seen those turbos? they are like part of the exaust manifold which looks like happy fun time if they need replacing or you want to put a big single or uprated twins on.
1) the gt-r is crap
2) GOD I LOVE GERMANY GERMANY MAKE BEST CAR NUMBER 1
As for the tuning, it's never been cheap to get big numbers out of a skyline. I did a little research a few months back as I was curious and wanted to look into R32/33 ownership and I was pretty much like damn. Plus I doubt many people are going to want to mess around with a brand new car, I mean there will be a few but most people wont.
Also have you seen those turbos? they are like part of the exaust manifold which looks like happy fun time if they need replacing or you want to put a big single or uprated twins on.
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But with the old Skyline all one would have to do is turn up the boost or replace the turbos.
At the very least, I doubt we will be seeing 1000 horse R35s any time soon.
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yep not that cheap,iirc the stock turbos can only take around 1 bar of boost because on the turbos they had ceramic fins which when above 1 bar would cause the blades to break sending them into the engine....ouch. thats why most are replaced with steel ones.
talking about this one....they claim the ecu is uncrackible so what tuners in japan are doing is just taking it out and replacing it.
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I don't think it's that simple, I mean you say just change the turbos but then you have to take fueling into account and either a piggyback or full standalone ecu. Then take into account that your going to have to pay for dyno time for mapping.Different intake mani's, bigger intercoolers etc. It's hardly what i'd call cheap imo, although maybe i'm just a cheparse. Edit: Oh yeah forgot about those ceramic turbos, my CT26 has ceramic blades as well, now you've made me paranoid.
Time to get a hybrid!The thing is if the standard R35 ECU (is that even it's chassis code) probably has so much junk integrated into it, will aftermarket companies be abke to make a good enough standalone ecu to cope with it all? And it sounds like piggybacks and silly stuff like fuel trim controllers are out of the question also.
I'm not one to talk, i'm paying out the arse for an Apexi Power FC now so I don't have to worry about one later when I start going for more power.
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Wow, the Mine's GT-R if finally making an appearance in this thread? I watched the videos and news on that about a week ago.
Regarding tuning...
I get the feeling that changes in tuning aren't because of the changes to the ecu or design of the turbo. Instead, I think the most important change to tuning is the result of the changes Nissan made in the car's output.
Fact of the matter is, Nissan is now producing the GT-R with power levels closer to that of the Z-tune, which according to NISMO/Nissan was the height of tuning for the GT-R (with only tuners like Mine's and HKS doing any good with putting more power into the car).
So, with the GT-R now being that much more well tuned, the requirements for making a serious difference to the GT-R have gone up (dramatically I'm sure).
Basically, since the car is at a higher level of tuning, further tuning will require even higher levels of money and skill.
Of course, that's just my take on the subject.
Regarding tuning...
I get the feeling that changes in tuning aren't because of the changes to the ecu or design of the turbo. Instead, I think the most important change to tuning is the result of the changes Nissan made in the car's output.
Fact of the matter is, Nissan is now producing the GT-R with power levels closer to that of the Z-tune, which according to NISMO/Nissan was the height of tuning for the GT-R (with only tuners like Mine's and HKS doing any good with putting more power into the car).
So, with the GT-R now being that much more well tuned, the requirements for making a serious difference to the GT-R have gone up (dramatically I'm sure).
Basically, since the car is at a higher level of tuning, further tuning will require even higher levels of money and skill.
Of course, that's just my take on the subject.
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Kent, I understand your point, but I don't think it applies 100%. Yes, the new GT-R will be a highly tuned machine when it comes out. But it is completely different from the Z-Tune. That car was, to be honest, a lot more simple. Iron block engine, relatively low pressure turbos, more mechanical handling pieces than electrical handling pieces and etcetera. This car takes a completely different route to getting as much power as it does than the Z-Tune did, and I don't think they will be comparable directly.
I think there are three problems that tuners will face with this car:
I think there are three problems that tuners will face with this car:
- It is not the same old, same old, that GT-Rs were from 1989 to 2002. Tuners will have to relearn all of their strategies to apply them to the new car.
- The engine itself (aluminum V6 based on that of a Le Mans car) is far more complex than the older one, and for all we know it won't be as reliable as tuners pile on the power.
- The ECU itself I assume is routed rather deeply into the cars electronic system, so I understand it may be very difficult for them to make a GT-R that they have tuned work the same as a normal GT-R.
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The Z Tune had a bloody racing spec engine block, track spec suspension and sold about 20 units. It's more akin to the proposed evo model of the new one. I understand what you mean with the engine potential though, although the thing was designed by cosworth so to be honest I bet it has potential that lots of companies will be able to exploit.
The only thing i'd be worried about is how well the dual clutch transmission would take to modifications. I know some of the DSG units in the MKV GTi havent faired too well.
I was gonna try and find the specs for the new GT-R's engine but then I got sidetracked and noticed that the old Top Secret R33 GT-R is for sale in the Uk
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/upload/82114-top-secret-drag-rii.html
You know the one in that infamous tunnel run? And also it gets its work done at the same shop that owns the old Jun Hyperlemon R33 which is where i'm going next week saturday to get my car mot'ed.
I guess if someone attempts to make a drag car out of one of these the first thing that will go is the transmission. Mind you i'm sure some company will make a drag spec dog box.
Now i'm kinda interested in seeing a new equivalent to the old HKS drag gt-r, man that would own.
Wow, the Mine's GT-R if finally making an appearance in this thread? I watched the videos and news on that about a week ago.
Regarding tuning...
I get the feeling that changes in tuning aren't because of the changes to the ecu or design of the turbo. Instead, I think the most important change to tuning is the result of the changes Nissan made in the car's output.
Fact of the matter is, Nissan is now producing the GT-R with power levels closer to that of the Z-tune, which according to NISMO/Nissan was the height of tuning for the GT-R (with only tuners like Mine's and HKS doing any good with putting more power into the car).
So, with the GT-R now being that much more well tuned, the requirements for making a serious difference to the GT-R have gone up (dramatically I'm sure).
Basically, since the car is at a higher level of tuning, further tuning will require even higher levels of money and skill.
Of course, that's just my take on the subject.
The Z Tune had a bloody racing spec engine block, track spec suspension and sold about 20 units. It's more akin to the proposed evo model of the new one. I understand what you mean with the engine potential though, although the thing was designed by cosworth so to be honest I bet it has potential that lots of companies will be able to exploit.
The only thing i'd be worried about is how well the dual clutch transmission would take to modifications. I know some of the DSG units in the MKV GTi havent faired too well.
I was gonna try and find the specs for the new GT-R's engine but then I got sidetracked and noticed that the old Top Secret R33 GT-R is for sale in the Uk
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/upload/82114-top-secret-drag-rii.html
You know the one in that infamous tunnel run? And also it gets its work done at the same shop that owns the old Jun Hyperlemon R33 which is where i'm going next week saturday to get my car mot'ed.
I guess if someone attempts to make a drag car out of one of these the first thing that will go is the transmission. Mind you i'm sure some company will make a drag spec dog box.
Now i'm kinda interested in seeing a new equivalent to the old HKS drag gt-r, man that would own.
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or one thats built to go round corners (have seen this in real life and its abit quick!)
http://www.japaneseimportspecialists.co.uk/stocklist_2/dcy_nissan_skyline_r32_gtr_drag_track_car_for_sale.htm
or if you really do like straight lines that much
http://www.japaneseimportspecialists.co.uk/stocklist_2/nissan_skyline_r32_8drcond_drag_car.htm
(have seen this in real life and its abit quick!)http://www.japaneseimportspecialists.co.uk/stocklist_2/dcy_nissan_skyline_r32_gtr_drag_track_car_for_sale.htm
or if you really do like straight lines that much
http://www.japaneseimportspecialists.co.uk/stocklist_2/nissan_skyline_r32_8drcond_drag_car.htm
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well mines didnt waste time.....have to admit it does look rather nice in white but theres still just something about that grill that makes it seem horrible.its also like the rear lights off a 350z as the headlights and the bonnet off a V8 vantage.
Unsurprising. Mine's has developed a strong partnership with Nissan, so it's not an amazing sight that Mine's has already brought out a modified GT-R.
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or one thats built to go round corners
http://www.japaneseimportspecialists.co.uk/stocklist_2/dcy_nissan_skyline_r32_gtr_drag_track_car_for_sale.htm
or if you really do like straight lines that much
http://www.japaneseimportspecialists.co.uk/stocklist_2/nissan_skyline_r32_8drcond_drag_car.htm
God damnit stop making me want to buy a skyline.
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Matchless Crowd Racing's got one, too, now. Wonder what they'll do with it when they'e done.
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Have we seen it yet in Midnight blue?
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I think some of you misunderstood me on the previous page.
I didn't say the current GT-R used the same parts as the old Z-tune and I didn't mean to imply the current car got the exact same tuning as the Z-tune (although I've got to stress that someone said the Z-tune was a racing build and I'm sure that's not the case... The GT-R Z-tune R34 was as much as street car as possible).
What I was trying to get across was this...
With the output of the current GT-R being about that of the old Z-tune, I can see that the standard tuning of a GT-R is at a much higher level than the previous GT-R.
In this new GT-R I imagined tuning beyond the stock levels of performance being harder simply because the car is already tuned to running at a much higher level of performance than the old version.
The old GT-R ran at a performance level that was much lower than the current stock level and tuning could produce results similar to the current standard without much trouble. However, because the current car's stock level of tuning is so much higher than the previous car, it probably will not be as easy to see jumps in power like what was possible with the R34.
Just a guess on my part but it seems to me that measurable performance changes would be easier to perform on an engine producing between 290hp and 350hp than it would be to perform on an engine producing over 450hp.
I didn't say the current GT-R used the same parts as the old Z-tune and I didn't mean to imply the current car got the exact same tuning as the Z-tune (although I've got to stress that someone said the Z-tune was a racing build and I'm sure that's not the case... The GT-R Z-tune R34 was as much as street car as possible).
What I was trying to get across was this...
With the output of the current GT-R being about that of the old Z-tune, I can see that the standard tuning of a GT-R is at a much higher level than the previous GT-R.
In this new GT-R I imagined tuning beyond the stock levels of performance being harder simply because the car is already tuned to running at a much higher level of performance than the old version.
The old GT-R ran at a performance level that was much lower than the current stock level and tuning could produce results similar to the current standard without much trouble. However, because the current car's stock level of tuning is so much higher than the previous car, it probably will not be as easy to see jumps in power like what was possible with the R34.
Just a guess on my part but it seems to me that measurable performance changes would be easier to perform on an engine producing between 290hp and 350hp than it would be to perform on an engine producing over 450hp.
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The big question for tuning is reliability.
The old RB26DETT was legendary for its ability to make power in modified form. The newer architecture VQ isn't as solidly built (in the interest of lightness, etcetera)... While the VR is most likely much stronger, there's still some question as to whether people will be able to slap on bigger turbos and an exhaust and make a thousand ponies off the bat.
Nissan is doing its damnedest to keep this thing from being a "tuner special", but I don't doubt that the aftermarket will come out with a relatively inexpensive way to hit 600-700 ponies within the next year. Whether 1000 or more is possible is basically a "let's see how many GT-Rs blow up in the shops" thing... nobody knows, yet.
The old RB26DETT was legendary for its ability to make power in modified form. The newer architecture VQ isn't as solidly built (in the interest of lightness, etcetera)... While the VR is most likely much stronger, there's still some question as to whether people will be able to slap on bigger turbos and an exhaust and make a thousand ponies off the bat.
Nissan is doing its damnedest to keep this thing from being a "tuner special", but I don't doubt that the aftermarket will come out with a relatively inexpensive way to hit 600-700 ponies within the next year. Whether 1000 or more is possible is basically a "let's see how many GT-Rs blow up in the shops" thing... nobody knows, yet.
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WOW! It's better than I expected. Did they realease any info on HP or other specs yet?
