2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

[YSSMAN]

So, what then is the benefit of owning a GT-R? Clearly then this $70K "value-priced supercar" isn't any better than the cars it had planned on competing against. Sure, time may make things better, but I don't see what the benefits are in the present.

They'll sell, don't worry. I'm eager to see one in person. But my excitement has been capped severely.

 

[Leonidae]

1.) GT-R's warranty will dissolve if you go to track in Japan, where they track the car via GPS. The GPS has pre-set locations of all tracks in Japan, and going onto one of them will remove the speed limiter. This feature will NOT work outside Japan and the limiter stays deactivated.

2.) Changing tires is fine. Changing rims will make the in-car tyre pressure sensor mad, just like in 350Z.

3.) If Nissan wouldn't want GT-R to have aftermarket products for it, why did it give every major powerhouse in Japan a GT-R to work on? Because that way Nissan has better control over the performance levels achieved. They don't want to see home-built 1200bhp cars that get wrecked in crashes.

Motor Trend's Scott Kanemura sat down with Michizio Niikura, the president of MINE'S Motor Sports, the first aftermarket firm to get its hands on the new Nissan GT-R. The conversation centered on the roadblocks Nissan has put in place to stymie high speeds and limit modifications to the GT-R.

We've previously reported on how the GPS system fitted to the GT-R would remove the 111 mph (180 kph) speed limiter when the car arrives at a track, but according to Niikura, it will only work on pre-approved racetracks. However, the GPS sensor doesn't automatically remove the limiter by itself, it has to be manually changed by navigating through a series of menus on the GT-R's touch screen. While having to go to a Nissan-approved track is daft in its own right, it's even worse when you leave. After the track day, owners are required to head on over to a Nissan High Performance Center where a $1000 safety check is performed. Don't do it and the factory warranty is void.

Another rumor that began circulating after the Tokyo Auto Salon has also been confirmed: aftermarket wheels are out. Supposedly, all the GT-Rs on display at TAS had to be driven in on the stock rollers, jacked up and then fitted with the tuner's chosen wheels. Due to a sensor mounted on the valve stem, if the GT-R is driven with aftermarket rims, an error code is thrown on the dash. And although MINE'S has fitted a custom exhaust to their shop car, they've found that any modification to the intake system causes the ECU to go haywire.

While all these findings are disturbing draconian, GT-R owners here in the U.S. won't have to worry about the speed limiter/track day issue. Nissan has said that the GPS system won't be implemented here in the States, but the future of tuning the GT-R remains questionable.

 

[niky]

I've been out a while, but I have to agree with this:

any manufacturer will tell you to bugger off if you take a car to a track and break it and then take to be fixed under warranty.(considering the gps they will know youve been there)

personally $1000 is a small price to pay considering $x amount for a new engine if those turbos decide to see what the inside of an engine looks like.

While some makers like Ferrari or Porsche will gladly help you get to the track... if you blow an engine out there, it's game over, zip, you're out, epic fail, etcetera... I've gone to a number of manufacturer-sponsored track events, and they will usually make you sign a no-claims waiver... good thing our local offices don't take down plate numbers yet... but if you go into a dealership with an overheating car and you've got pictures on the internet of yourself sliding it sideways out of a corner, it's fair odds they'll charge you full price.

Don't believe me? There's tons of anecdotal evidence on enthusiast forums. About the only way they'll ever fix that engine is if you can prove that a recall-affected part (a loose throttle, a defective oil seal causing a leak) caused the breakdown. Otherwise, you're scwewed.

$1,000 is steep, but it doesn't sound out of line for a full diagnostics, inspection and servicing for a supercar... I spend about that much on new rubber and clutches every few track days ... besides, don't Lambo clutches cost more than that?

Besides: Performance Car =/= Race Car. And Race cars don't come with warranties, at all...

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

I've been out a while, but I have to agree with this:



While some makers like Ferrari or Porsche will gladly help you get to the track... if you blow an engine out there, it's game over, zip, you're out, epic fail, etcetera... I've gone to a number of manufacturer-sponsored track events, and they will usually make you sign a no-claims waiver... good thing our local offices don't take down plate numbers yet... but if you go into a dealership with an overheating car and you've got pictures on the internet of yourself sliding it sideways out of a corner, it's fair odds they'll charge you full price.

Don't believe me? There's tons of anecdotal evidence on enthusiast forums. About the only way they'll ever fix that engine is if you can prove that a recall-affected part (a loose throttle, a defective oil seal causing a leak) caused the breakdown. Otherwise, you're scwewed.

I believe you,mate of mine is still trying to get a new engine for his gallardo after it blew on the road,reason the garage wont fix it,because theres videos on youtube of his car at knockhill and even the garage he bought it for run trackdays for thier customers so they know hes been on the track.Going to most trackdays now owners of cars that are still under warrenty have them taped up so you cant tell the reg.

 

[McLaren]

sure you can, you just dont have your full top speed, its not like the car shuts down, and unless on very long straights you wont be on the limiter much.

So basically all it is, is a device that can potentially limit your track time. What's the point?

first of all it says reportedly, which is about the same thing as saying you heard it from the friend of a friend of a friend, I've seen nothing of the sort reported anywhere else from a reputable named source.

So, reportedly automatically throws it? Sounds like an excuse.

And don't bring in what is and what isn't a reputable source. This car has so many contradicting articles about its features, that everyone will just have to wait for an owner to reveal the details.

Secondly if you get in a wreck NO manufacturer warranty EVER covers your car, thats insurance coverage not warranty and one has nothing to do with the other, i think your getting confused.

I'm not talking about that. Under a warranty, the dealer will cover certain costs when the car goes in for a check-up. From this article, if the warranty is voided, and you're out at the dealer 2 weeks later to have something changed that was under warranty, you're out of luck.

ok so why do it to a car that most people cant afford anyway? Why not do it to say a 350Z or something more affordable so it affects more people? If they were in it to make money they certainly could do it in better ways. They cant just say hey were charging you for it, they have to let you know up front, in which case you can take it somewhere else anyway and they've made no money.

It doesn't matter if there are better ways to make money, the fact is if the manufacturer can get money out of that way, they'll do it. BMW, Mercedes, & Porsche all do it when you start selecting options.

I'm not saying that's why, but after reading other boards, some people have presented some pretty strong arguments and questions as to why Nissan even cares.

 

[Joey D]

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no one ever goes over that anyway, how many tracks have sections that let a car get up to that fast for even a little while? Do it anywhere else and your being stupid.

Are you sure? You know for a fact that no one ever drives over 156mph on a track? In modern times that is actually not all that fast for a track car.

Also quit triple posting, there is an edit button for a reason.

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

So basically all it is, is a device that can potentially limit your track time. What's the point?

I dunno, whats the point of having a limiter in any car? Your already going fast, whats a few more mph? and the lower speed limiter only affects japan, so unless you live there you still have 156 mph to play with

So, reportedly automatically throws it? Sounds like an excuse.

And don't bring in what is and what isn't a reputable source. This car has so many contradicting articles about its features, that everyone will just have to wait for an owner to reveal the details.

ok well then why not mention his name then? What publication does he write for? I dont care if its some rinky dink hillbilly school paper, atleast show me a first hand account not some rumor through the grape vine.

The simple fact of the matter is why would a manufacturer whos going to void your warranty for going to the track waste time building an unlock feature when they could just as easily saved all that time and R&D money and just have said what every other manufacturer does, if it blows up on the track your outta luck. Building a feature your going to penalize people for using is ridiculous.

I'm not talking about that. Under a warranty, the dealer will cover certain costs when the car goes in for a check-up. From this article, if the warranty is voided, and you're out at the dealer 2 weeks later to have something changed that was under warranty, you're out of luck.

You specifically said wreck. which directly implies either you hit something or someone hit you in which case warranty has nothing to do with it.... but anyway since you are changing your wording now I'll assume you meant to say if something fails, in which case if your in japan and have unlocked the car then I'm not sure, but atleast in the united states they will have to prove that you were at a track. and even then they would have to prove that whatever broke had to do specifically with the track use. If im at a track and my power seats break regardless of if they know I was at the track they still have to fix it.

It doesn't matter if there are better ways to make money, the fact is if the manufacturer can get money out of that way, they'll do it. BMW, Mercedes, & Porsche all do it when you start selecting options.
I believe when it comes to warranty work

I'm not saying that's why, but after reading other boards, some people have presented some pretty strong arguments and questions as to why Nissan even cares.

The manufacturer pays the dealer for warranty repairs, if you are doing maintenance that comes out of your pocket then the dealer gets the money from you instead of nissan, so either way the dealer makes money and its up to that dealer if it wants to claim it under warranty or not so in most cases the "your warranty is void" decision is made at the dealer level. If you are on good terms with your shop in some cases they wont have an issue doing it under warranty even if you were at the track because they get paid either way. It just depends if your service manager is nice or if he decides to be an ass. For example here in california it is well known that certain nissan dealers are very understanding when it comes to warranty and service on modified cars and others are not, so in the end its all up to your service manager, so just suck up to him now

Are you sure? You know for a fact that no one ever drives over 156mph on a track? In modern times that is actually not all that fast for a track car.

Yes not all that fast but you have to remember that the GTR is not an all out race car its not going to achieve nascar like acceleration so on most tracks it wont get up to its top speed before it has to brake. Whats the longest straight section of any us track? at 156 your covering about 229 feet per second, most people wouldn't be able to handle those speeds, and the ones that can and do are probably people who are into racing and usually modify their cars without giving a rats ass about the warranty. The thing about racing is you get used to things breaking, and if you are going to be a racer you cant expect the dealer to cover stuff anyway so you might as well go get the mines ECU and be able to go 190+

 

[Joey D]

Yes not all that fast but you have to remember that the GTR is not an all out race car its not going to achieve nascar like acceleration so on most tracks it wont get up to its top speed before it has to brake. Whats the longest straight section of any us track? at 156 your covering about 229 feet per second, most people wouldn't be able to handle those speeds, and the ones that can and do are probably people who are into racing and usually modify their cars without giving a rats ass about the warranty. The thing about racing is you get used to things breaking, and if you are going to be a racer you cant expect the dealer to cover stuff anyway so you might as well go get the mines ECU and be able to go 190+

Ya most tracks, I'm will to bet there are tracks like Miller Motorsports Park where it would easily top out. As I've said 156mph isn't exactly a high speed now a days.

You are also assuming people who have driving skills do not care about their warranty. If I bought a $120k car (as I've said the going rate for the GT-R in the states currently) I would be pissed if a Nissan dealer wouldn't fix a broken heater because I didn't follow their lame inspection programme. You are also assuming people who want to race this car only want to do that, go to any track day and you will see people racing their daily driven sports car. There is a guy around here that races his Nobel on the weekends and drives it during the week.

All I saying is that Nissan is just screwing a rather loyal fan base by forcing them to either have the warranty and a watered down car or do modification that will void it. Most other car companies allow you to mod your car and they do not care...hell Mini even encourages it and lists the website and phone number for the SCCA in the brochure.

 

[YSSMAN]

All I saying is that Nissan is just screwing a rather loyal fan base by forcing them to either have the warranty and a watered down car or do modification that will void it. Most other car companies allow you to mod your car and they do not care...hell Mini even encourages it and lists the website and phone number for the SCCA in the brochure.

Thats my head-scratcher as well. They keep going on and on about how this is a supercar, and yet, they've clearly crippled what it can do for people willing to shell out the cash. When they talk about it being a performance value, that phrase only goes so far...

Honestly, with this stuff, this isn't a car that trackday fans are going to jump for. Cars that are cheaper, perform nearly the same, and offer an arguably more exciting driving expirience.

And why not?

I'd much rather have an Elise or Noble that I can drive just as easily during the year and flog just as quickly around the track... Furthermore, save $50K in the process.

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

You are also assuming people who have driving skills do not care about their warranty. If I bought a $120k car (as I've said the going rate for the GT-R in the states currently) I would be pissed if a Nissan dealer wouldn't fix a broken heater because I didn't follow their lame inspection programme. You are also assuming people who want to race this car only want to do that, go to any track day and you will see people racing their daily driven sports car. There is a guy around here that races his Nobel on the weekends and drives it during the week.

Like i mentioned they cant not fix your heater because you tracked it. they can chose not to replace a blown motor, but the performance of the heater has nothing to do with weather you raced it or not and like i also mentioned its up to the service manager if he will claim it as warranty or not, plenty of people track their cars and still get warranty service because not all dealers are so uptight when it comes to these things. and in the us at least they dont have the track unlock thing so this is a non issue anyway...

All I saying is that Nissan is just screwing a rather loyal fan base by forcing them to either have the warranty and a watered down car or do modification that will void it. Most other car companies allow you to mod your car and they do not care...hell Mini even encourages it and lists the website and phone number for the SCCA in the brochure.

Its against the law to void a warranty because of using aftermarket parts, unless that part caused the failure. so mod away.

Mini will honor the warrany only if the parts are installed by its dealers. It says so on its site. Same goes for nissan, If I go buy some nismo cams and have them installed i still keep my warranty...

 

[McLaren]

I dunno, whats the point of having a limiter in any car? Your already going fast, whats a few more mph? and the lower speed limiter only affects japan, so unless you live there you still have 156 mph to play with

And a lot of tracks allow you to fly beyond 156Mph.

ok well then why not mention his name then? What publication does he write for? I dont care if its some rinky dink hillbilly school paper, atleast show me a first hand account not some rumor through the grape vine.

How is it a rumor? That's just what's being reported to them, and I haven't really seen any articles that are saying otherwise because perhaps Suzuka is one of those non-approved tracks.

You specifically said wreck. which directly implies either you hit something or someone hit you in which case warranty has nothing to do with it.... but anyway since you are changing your wording now I'll assume you meant to say if something fails, in which case if your in japan and have unlocked the car then I'm not sure,

That's what I meant. When something fails, although sometimes that does lead to a wreck.

but atleast in the united states they will have to prove that you were at a track. and even then they would have to prove that whatever broke had to do specifically with the track use. If im at a track and my power seats break regardless of if they know I was at the track they still have to fix it.

Exactly my point. However, with these articles, they make it appear as if you throw out your warranty when you enter the track, even if nothing goes wrong.

Yes not all that fast but you have to remember that the GTR is not an all out race car its not going to achieve nascar like acceleration so on most tracks it wont get up to its top speed before it has to brake. Whats the longest straight section of any us track? at 156 your covering about 229 feet per second, most people wouldn't be able to handle those speeds, and the ones that can and do are probably people who are into racing and usually modify their cars without giving a rats ass about the warranty. The thing about racing is you get used to things breaking, and if you are going to be a racer you cant expect the dealer to cover stuff anyway so you might as well go get the mines ECU and be able to go 190+

Um, I'm quite positive the GT-R will fly beyond 156Mph on many US tracks. I believe even the member with the Shelby GT500 said he was up to 170Mph on 1 track.

Its against the law to void a warranty because of using aftermarket parts, unless that part caused the failure. so mod away.

Mini will honor the warrany only if the parts are installed by its dealers. It says so on its site. Same goes for nissan, If I go buy some nismo cams and have them installed i still keep my warranty...

This may be true, but if you bring your car into a dealer with aftermarket engine products, do you honestly think they won't try as much as possible to see if your problem was caused by those parts.
They do it all the time at McDavid on modified RSXs. If a part fails, the dealer automatically checks the aftermarket products to see if they played a role. If they do, tough.

 

[Dave A]

Wow lame 👎:

Originally Posted by Autoblog
Nissan GT-R can't take aftermarket wheels, unapproved race tracks are out
MotorTrend's Scott Kanemura sat down with Michizio Niikura, the president of MINE'S Motor Sports, the first aftermarket firm to get its hands on the new Nissan GT-R. The conversation centered on the roadblocks Nissan has put in place to stimy high speeds and limit modifications to the GT-R.

We've previously reported on how the GPS system fitted to the GT-R would remove the 111 mph (180 kph) speed limiter when the car arrives at a track, but according to Niikura, it will only work on pre-approved racetracks. However, the GPS sensor doesn't automatically remove the limiter by itself, it has to be manually changed by navigating through a series of menus on the GT-R's touch screen. While having to go to a Nissan-approved track is daft in its own right, it's even worse when you leave. After the track day, owners are required to head on over to a Nissan High Performance Center where a $1000 safety check is performed. Don't do it and the factory warranty is void.

Another rumor that began circulating after the Tokyo Auto Salon has also been confirmed: aftermarket wheels are out. Supposedly, all the GT-Rs on display at TAS had to be driven in on the stock rollers, jacked up and then fitted with the tuner's chosen wheels. Due to a sensor mounted on the valve stem, if the GT-R is driven with aftermarket rims, an error code is thrown on the dash. And although MINE'S has fitted a custom exhaust to their shop car, they've found that any modification to the intake system causes the ECU to go haywire.

While all these findings are draconian GT-R owners here in the U.S. won't have to worry about the speed limiter/track day issue. Nissan has said that the GPS system won't be implemented here in the States, but the future of tuning the GT-R remains questionable.

To be perfectly honest I don't see much wrong with that. At least your given the option to keep your warranty. Most cars warranties are void if you track them period, service afterwards or not. Here your just being given the option to service the car after, you can lose you warranty tracking a Ferrari. Once again people are finding things that are in no way unique to the GT-R yet singling the GT-R out in a negative light because of them. The Nissan certified tracks thing is daft, but that only affects Japanese cars. And a ECU not liking aftermarket parts, well it wasn't too long for someone to break the ECU so that it didn't care.

 

[McLaren]

To be perfectly honest I don't see much wrong with that. At least your given the option to keep your warranty. Most cars warranties are void if you track them period, service afterwards or not.

But, that's if the dealer finds out. Usually, people can track their cars, and still be under warranty when they take car in weeks or months later for a routine checkup.

Here your just being given the option to service the car after, you can lose you warranty tracking a Ferrari. Once again people are finding things that are in no way unique to the GT-R yet singling the GT-R out in a negative light because of them. The Nissan certified tracks thing is daft, but that only affects Japanese cars. And a ECU not liking aftermarket parts, well it wasn't too long for someone to break the ECU so that it didn't care.

What you're talking about for the GT-R can apply to a Ferrari. You don't think Porsche or Ferrari have some exceptions with their GTs or Challenges.

The only thing I'm not liking, I guess, is that the company can keep an eye on your car, and that they'll know if you tracked it or not, which could cause a problem for your warranty later on. At least with other companies, I like the fact I could track my car, take it in for a check-up months later, and still be under warranty since the dealer won't be the wiser.

To me, I find it as a bit of a privacy issue. Am I supporting the "fraud" of warranties. In a way, yes, because I do not mind buying a $70,000 performance machine, throwing it around a track which was a reason it was built like it was, and still being under warranty months later. I've tracked my TL once, something that would have voided the warranty, but I like the fact weeks later, my check-up on the tires was still covered since the dealer couldn't see anything was worn or damaged during my time on the track.

 

[Jim Prower]

I...still like the car, but this "Big Brother" thing really kinda ruins one's enthusiasm. I may just say "screw it" and void the warranty if I wanted to track it or modify it. Besides, there probably won't be any warranty left when the price drops and my salary rises to the point where I can afford a used one.

What makes me really nervous: if Nissan can see all of this information about your car, who else can? Perhaps I'll just find that little GPS antenna and kind of...

"Sorry, sir, I really don't know how that came unplugged..." *Whistles*

 

[niky]

Well, Dave A hit the nail on the head, like Holdengtsvr did a while back...

Basically, boys, if you're a track fanatic like me, you should know that "track-time" = "no warranty", period.

Just because Nissan is coming out and saying it in public, which most manufacturers won't tell you until your car is up on stands in the shop... people are starting to cry "foul"... well... DUH!

BMW's E46 M3 reportedly had something in the ECu that measured the number of times you've used the launch control... and would void the warranty if you exceeded a pre-set limit. This limit would vary per market, but too many "street races" (not track time, mind you) and you're scwewed... again. Yet, they don't come out and tell the press this! The news only came out in the automotive media through discussions with M3 owners and techs.

The news should read:

Nissan says you can take your GT-R to the race-track, and if you submit to a $1000 inspection, they'll let you keep the warranty! Hooray!

Yes, boys, that is news. Meaning, if your 7 speed tranny breaks down a few days after a hot track day, or the engine starts to overheat on the road afterwards (which isn't too hard to imagine... trackdays are hard on cars, and some problems don't come out right away)... Nissan will perform the heartbreakingly expensive maintenance needed to replace those expensive parts (which should cost the better part of the price of a new Sentra), simply because you paid an extra $1000 for the safety check.

Yes, that is news. If I could pay $200 to have my car inspected after trackdays so I can keep my warranty (considering my car is worth $15k, the proportion is the same), why, of course I would.

 

[McLaren]

The news should read:

Nissan says you can take your GT-R to the race-track, and if you submit to a $1000 inspection, they'll let you keep the warranty! Hooray!

And what happens if nothing is found wrong? You just paid $1,000 to keep your warranty?

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

Well, Dave A hit the nail on the head, like Holdengtsvr did a while back...

Basically, boys, if you're a track fanatic like me, you should know that "track-time" = "no warranty", period.

Just because Nissan is coming out and saying it in public, which most manufacturers won't tell you until your car is up on stands in the shop... people are starting to cry "foul"... well... DUH!

BMW's E46 M3 reportedly had something in the ECu that measured the number of times you've used the launch control... and would void the warranty if you exceeded a pre-set limit. This limit would vary per market, but too many "street races" (not track time, mind you) and you're scwewed... again. Yet, they don't come out and tell the press this! The news only came out in the automotive media through discussions with M3 owners and techs.

The news should read:

Nissan says you can take your GT-R to the race-track, and if you submit to a $1000 inspection, they'll let you keep the warranty! Hooray!

Yes, boys, that is news. Meaning, if your 7 speed tranny breaks down a few days after a hot track day, or the engine starts to overheat on the road afterwards (which isn't too hard to imagine... trackdays are hard on cars, and some problems don't come out right away)... Nissan will perform the heartbreakingly expensive maintenance needed to replace those expensive parts (which should cost the better part of the price of a new Sentra), simply because you paid an extra $1000 for the safety check.

Yes, that is news. If I could pay $200 to have my car inspected after trackdays so I can keep my warranty (considering my car is worth $15k, the proportion is the same), why, of course I would.

Exactly! Thank you for that.

And what happens if nothing is found wrong? You just paid $1,000 to keep your warranty?

Yep and considering the cost of parts for the GTR, not to mention race fuel, tires, and all the other costs of racing your car, another $1000 bucks isn't bad especially on a 70k car.

 

[YSSMAN]

Yep and considering the cost of parts for the GTR, not to mention race fuel, tires, and all the other costs of racing your car, another $1000 bucks isn't bad especially on a 70k car.

You mean $130K?

You're not going to be able to find one for less than $100K in the US in 2008 or 2009, no way at all...

For that much money I can get a ZR1 that would be serviceable at any GM dealer, likely be more reliable in the long-term, and will likely come with track driving school as well. Did I mention that its faster too?

Don't get me wrong, I like the GT-R, but the odds are stacking against it even more than before...

 

[Jay]

You mean $130K?

It's got a RRP of 70k, which means its a 70k car. If buyers are willing to pay above the Nissan recommended retail price from some greedy dealer then thats up to them. It's still a 70k car.

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

You mean $130K?

You're not going to be able to find one for less than $100K in the US in 2008 or 2009, no way at all...

For that much money I can get a ZR1 that would be serviceable at any GM dealer, likely be more reliable in the long-term, and will likely come with track driving school as well. Did I mention that its faster too?

Don't get me wrong, I like the GT-R, but the odds are stacking against it even more than before...

My brother is the top salesman at his nissan dealer, im hoping he would be able to get a pretty good discount, but discounts aside the value wont stay that inflated it will eventually go down and even higher performance version should come out.

To be honest I'd rather have someone trained specifically for my exact car work on it than some general shop peon.

The ZR1 is indeed an amazing car, it will be interesting to see what happens next now that they have announced that the era of the monster V8 is over for the vette, the ZR1 will be the last and greatest of its kind. Rather sad really.

and on a side note, despite the performance of the new GTR I still wouldn't mind having an R34 in my garage instead, looks, power, performance, and still an exclusivity to it here in the states.

 

[YSSMAN]

and on a side note, despite the performance of the new GTR I still wouldn't mind having an R34 in my garage instead, looks, power, performance, and still an exclusivity to it here in the states.

TBH, I agree with you as well. I'm not a big fan of the GT-R in general, but I still like the way the R34 looked and performed. Particularly the later models...

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

TBH, I agree with you as well. I'm not a big fan of the GT-R in general, but I still like the way the R34 looked and performed. Particularly the later models...

Plus if your gonna pay such a high markup you might as well get an R34 Ztune for that price you get 500 hp and 1 of only 20. Now that I'd pay 130K for

to bad that nissan and GM alliance never panned out, I'd love to see a GTR-ZR1 monster

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

to bad that nissan and GM alliance never panned out, I'd love to see a GTR-ZR1 monster

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

Some news for today, the evolution of the GTR has begun:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080129.028/nissan-gt-r-spec-v-brochure-leaked

Nissan GT-R Spec V Brochure Leaked

We’ve all heard rumours of a Spec V version of R35 Godzilla, known to many as the Nissan GT-R. Best Car has now rendered the car, based on leaked inside into from Nissan.

Spec V is the superformance version of an already pumped up sports car. By using several techniques even more performance can be wringed out of the GT-R. Of utmost vitality is that the car goes through a weight-loss programme, which means it may lose up to 100kg, which is the equivalent of a fully grown adult male of average weight. “Lose the man, lose the milliseconds” is Spec V thought.

Typically extra revisions include improved suspension, advanced roll cage and a reprogrammed all-wheel-drive system, named ATTESA-ETS. Power is said to be up to 382kW/ 512 bhp, coupled with an all-carbon fiber body, should make the Spec V not only quick as far more expensive super cars, but only handle even better than its Clark Kent self around challenging places like the Nurburgring. Steering should also be more direct.

also a GTR cup model it seems? (video included)

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/supercars/video-nissan-gt-r-club-racer-caught-testing/

 

[McLaren]

and on a side note, despite the performance of the new GTR I still wouldn't mind having an R34 in my garage instead, looks, power, performance, and still an exclusivity to it here in the states.

+1, except give me the R33 instead.

 

[Leonidae]

No thanks, I'd rather use VK56DE for proper Japanese muscle.

 

[Dave A]

And what happens if nothing is found wrong? You just paid $1,000 to keep your warranty?

Yes, which is better than not having a say in the matter and losing your warranty service or not. As I siad, the GPS tracking isn't good, but that only applies to the Japanese cars. They arn't putting that lower limiter on any cars destined for other markets so there's no GPS registered tracks to turn it off at.

Don't get me wrong, I like the GT-R, but the odds are stacking against it even more than before...

Why, because Nissan have made it public. If you track your Z06 you'll lose your warranty on that too. I guess that makes the Z06 complete crap and a joke to consider.

Seriousely guys, get a damn grip, your singling out the GT-R simply because they've told people what the situation regarding the track and the warranty is. It's actually a better deal than what most other manufacturers offer which is track = void warranty.

 

[Joey D]

Most manufactures have no idea you went to the track. My buddy with the Ion Redline just removes his license plate and drives all day at the track and his car is still under warranty. It's pretty hard to prove you were at a track unless there is a photograph with your plate and car in it. The things you would wear out on a racetrack such as tires and brakes aren't covered under most warranties anyways and any major damage wouldn't be either. I don't understand why Nissan would care if you took the GT-R to the track, that's what the damn thing was designed for. It's just as bad as Jeep saying their vehicles are Trail Rated but if you take them off road and they find out about it your warranty is voided.

And you can say all day long aftermarket parts will not void the warranty but most dealers won't care and if you appeal it the automaker will side with the dealer for the most part. I lowered my Blazer and GM void my entire warranty and I could not fight it.

 

[Dave A]

Most manufactures have no idea you went to the track.

And neither will Nissan except in Japan. I really don't see why your the least bit bothered about this apart form it being something to grip about. If it's not the pain it's the warrant y that's actually offerning an option other manufacturers don't. I can't beleive the effort some of you guys are putting in to knock this car down. As I've said before I' in no way in love with this car, for the money there's a lot of cars I would consider before it but that's not to say I don't recognise that it is a fantasticly capable machine and just because it doesn't appeal to me as much as some others that doesn't mean I have to try to knock it down at every opportunity.

I don't understand why Nissan would care if you took the GT-R to the track, that's what the damn thing was designed for.

Then I expect you to say the exact same things about Corvettes, Ferrari's, Porsches and the like beacuse they all care if you damage your car at a track and then try to claim the repair under warranty. Most cars have warranties that are void if you track them, the only difference here is that you are given the OPTION to keept he warranty if you take the service.

It's just as bad as Jeep saying their vehicles are Trail Rated but if you take them off road and they find out about it your warranty is voided.

Tell that to Cheverolet with regards to the Z06 and ZR1. They are and will be no different except I bet they don't offer any honest option of keeping the warranty.

 

[YSSMAN]

Why, because Nissan have made it public. If you track your Z06 you'll lose your warranty on that too. I guess that makes the Z06 complete crap and a joke to consider.

I'm not sure what GM's official policy is on the deal, but they do offer track-driving lessons on the car as I recall. Furthermore, I believe they sponsor trackday events for the Corvette in general, the CTS-V, the Kappa twins, and the Cobalt SS as well. GM is usually pretty cool about it, I think they know a Corvette with a Z51/Z06/ZR1 badge is going to be ran on the track at some point... However, I do not know the specifics of their warranty on the car.