2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

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The primary problem I think people are having problems getting over is the car's connection Import scene/Fast and Furious, when this car really has out grown that phase of it's life and has matured. The Skyline GT-R was a "Tuner" car as it was: a pedestrian midsize coupe turned into a turbocharged monster. Now, it's a complete package, a true world-class sports car, and for some reason people have trouble believing that. Kind of like we thought the plasma coating was some sort of liquid fill. (I fell for that, and I'm a Manufacturing student!)

It's got everyone buzzing, though. That's good for Nissan.
 
So many people think this car is "God's gift to the world" and get bent out of shape when you fault it for something, which of course causes controversy. I will agree that it has impressive performance and I think Nissan will have a winner on their hands, but at the same time I think there are problems with it.
 
Sure there's nothing wrong with pointing out a problem with it, but the way people jump on every little thing about this car that might be a bad thing is just wrong. I'm not a Nissan fan nor do I love GT-R's any more than the next car that I just think "thats nice" and move on. But what I've seen in this thread really does go one step lower than pretty much any automotive debate I've seen since Poverty was hit with the ban stick. Things like "OMG the paint is flaking it's rubbish" based on one poor quality photo even though and google search for GT-R and paint would bring up countless opinions and comments that the car is immaculate in appearence which you could also see from almost every other shot of the car on the web. Then there's the whole "OMG the warranty is crap", when even if tracking the car did automatically void the warranty should Nissan find out, it was still no worse than 90% of car warranties out there, rather it was better since you had an honest option to keep it.

All I'm saying is that more people have jumped onto the anti-GT-R bandwagon and voiced negatve opinions based on minute and flmisy details in here than I have seen before even to the point of critiscising areas where it's debatably better than cars they're in support of. And I'm not saying the car has no problems nor an I naming names I'm merely venting because I like to see a reasoned debate. There are some pretty stupid and poorly researched "problems" people have come up with in this thread thats all.
 
Joey D
So many people think this car is "God's gift to the world" and get bent out of shape when you fault it for something,
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I see people that like the car, but I just don't see any of these GTR "God's gift to the world" fanboys you talking about around here? but I do see exactly what Dave is explaining.
 
Ok. Someone mind wanting to explain how the GT-R has now risen to the point where people are willing to pay the price of 2 for 1?

I'm asking because, just out of curiosity, I went down our local Nissan dealer with a friend to ask if they have word on when 1 can expect these to cars to show up here or at the Auto Show. He told us 2 things. 1, that we should be able to see 1 at the auto show, and 2, we'd have to go down to a dealer closer to DFW to get any information on shipping dates as they would not be receiving any. My friend went on to ask, how much can we expect to pay for one now? According to the dealer in Dallas, they told him the waiting list has gotten to the point where you'll now have to put down $143,000 minimum to get on their list and get your's. And that it's not because there's a lot of people in Dallas who want one, but because of demand nation-wide. The salesmen apologized, but said the chances of everyone on their list actually going through would probably be low if the mark-ups keep going.

Now, just going by their words (of which I can believe if just weeks ago, there were $50,000 mark ups), what on earth makes this car worth twice its value? Are these dealers nuts, or is it just going to be a big cash cow with a lot of suckers?

I think $70,000, maybe $80,000 is a pretty good deal for the car, but $140,000? Remind me again why I wouldn't be better off with a GT3 or spending the extra dough for a Turbo? Not even Ferraris go for double their value.
 
They arn't, but markups are based on supply and demand. We don't get markups like that here, on anything. We just pay more outright :grumpy:.
 
Because it's new and all the rich idiots HAVE to have the "latest, greatest thing," that's why.

Wait a couple years when Mr. Rich gets bored. Then I should be able to get one...
 
Dave A
They arn't, but markups are based on supply and demand. We don't get markups like that here, on anything. We just pay more outright :grumpy:.
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If the supply & demand is that high, then either, imo:

A) It's because folks want it because it's the first "Skyline" offered here or
B) The whole 'It's a Nissan' sterotype or whatever, no longer exists.
 
Folks just want it because it's the newest thing. It's a fad, and I hope Nissan has what it takes to back it up.
 
There was a story on Autoblog a week or so back that Nissan USA was going to attempt to "control" prices on the GT-R just like how Ford "controlled" prices on the GT500.

Yeah, okay. And the Cube will be on your local dealer lot by the end of 2008...

No matter what, money talks. I don't see how anyone in their right mind would be willing to pay more than the requested $70-ish K that would be requested... No, its not because "its a Nissan," but more or less because this is supposed to be a "performance value," and as a matter of fact, I can walk next door and buy a Z06 with no haggling on the price and get exactly the same performance.

Ha!

Maybe its because I'm not a GT-R fan, but I can't fathom paying the expected $120-150K for these things. I'm going out to look at cars tomorrow, if I drop by the Nissan dealer (probably to look at a used Mazda), I'll ask them and see what they say...
 
YSSMAN
There was a story on Autoblog a week or so back that Nissan USA was going to attempt to "control" prices on the GT-R just like how Ford "controlled" prices on the GT500.

Yeah, okay. And the Cube will be on your local dealer lot by the end of 2008...

No matter what, money talks. I don't see how anyone in their right mind would be willing to pay more than the requested $70-ish K that would be requested... No, its not because "its a Nissan," but more or less because this is supposed to be a "performance value," and as a matter of fact, I can walk next door and buy a Z06 with no haggling on the price and get exactly the same performance.

Ha!

Maybe its because I'm not a GT-R fan, but I can't fathom paying the expected $120-150K for these things. I'm going out to look at cars tomorrow, if I drop by the Nissan dealer (probably to look at a used Mazda), I'll ask them and see what they say...
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well at this point exclusivity pays a factor. that and the want it now factor. The GTR is no different than anything else, just on a more expensive scale. I mean look what people paid for Wii's or PS3's or tickle me elmo's or those silly razor scooters, people will pay a lot for things they want and that are hard to acquire, hell remember how much PT cruisers used to go for? Eventually it will die down.
 
People paid a lot for PT Cruisers? They're rubbish.

Anyhow, yeah there is a massive "got to have this first" mentality within the general population. When it comes to cars it just simply that mentality scaled up from things like games consoles and mobile phones etc.
 
EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING.

I predict we'll see similar things happen when that Camaro comes out. ZR1? I'll say be prepared to pay at least a $50K premium. I would think that GT-Rs online could go north of $200,000

In a couple of years, those same cars will be hovering in the $40,000 range.
 
Wasn't there an insane markup on the Mustang at one point in time (or is it still there for the "special editions")? And the 350Z? If people want it, then they'll pay through the nose for it.

But at $140k, that's really, really pushing it... don't doubt they could sell the entire allotment, though... unlucky for those bastards who have just enough for sticker and who want it. :grumpy:

RE: "God's gift to the World"? Isn't that Porsche? :lol:
 
Jim Prower
I predict we'll see similar things happen when that Camaro comes out. ZR1? I'll say be prepared to pay at least a $50K premium. I would think that GT-Rs online could go north of $200,000
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With 100K Camaros due to be on the roads within the first year, I highly doubt there will be too big of a premium other than for the folks who demand that they get the first ones. We've had our name on the list for a while now, not sure how that will effect it, but we haven't been told to shovel more money in the fire (yet).

...As for the Corvette, its to be expected. If 1500 or less are to be built, and we know how die-hard the Corvette fanbase is, we'll have to see how it goes. My assumption is that the $100K base price will keep the price inflation down quite a bit. Even the 'rare' Z06 doesn't suffer from it at all...

niky
Wasn't there an insane markup on the Mustang at one point in time (or is it still there for the "special editions")?
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When they first started showing up for the 2005 model year you would see/hear some of them going for as much as $10K over sticker. Ford had so many orders for V8 GTs that they had to tell the dealers to stop sending them more orders... Less than a year later it had died down quite a bit, but like you said, the 'special edition' Mustangs are still fetching pretty big price increases. The Shelby GT had a $14,000 markup at the local Ford dealer, and the GT500 Convertible had a $40,000 markup.
 
Whenever something is "limited", expect premiums to be fierce... but yeah, 100k for a Corvette might mean that those premiums won't be ungodly high.

Oooh.. forgot... RE: "God's Gift" again... BTW, some of us defending the GT-R have also defended the Corvette against numerous inane brickbats in the past... "leaf-spring" whut? :D ...it's all about keeping perspective.

Now if somebody came on and said: "Dayumn, the GT-R is ungodly ugly...", I'd say: Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder...



But I don't really dig the design, either... it only actually looks good in red. :lol:
 
...only the rear-engine, air-cooled, Six cylinder models...

EDIT: or a certian Blue Fairlady 240Z from Yokohama.
 
Leonidae
I'd say that Lotus is God's gift.. Porsche would be more like the red guy with horns and wings downstairs..
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Kids don't like them because they've been so good for so long. Too bad really...

As the resident closet 911 freak, I disagree, and proceed to proclaim that "God's Gift" is none other than this:

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Pure, unfiltered, driving perfection!
 
I see your little Miata and raise it's direct competitor that has Lotus genes in it..

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;)

yes, AW11 MR2. *awaits the manifestation of Azuremen to pop up any second now* :lol:
 
Till the GTR calms down I'll have to settle for the next best bang for the buck performance bargain. A 350z for $26,000 Although this particular car is far from standard. It has about 550+ RWHP on pump gas with a brand new built engine by GT motorsports, running an APS single turbo. The owner is a good friend of mine and hes getting ready to buy either the GTR or the ZR1. Here is a photo of it from a photoshoot i did a while ago, the only change I will make is to get rid of the rims and get some Volks. :D

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Leonidae
I see your little Miata and raise it's direct competitor that has Lotus genes in it..
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Actually, the Miata is far more Lotus than anything else. Ever. If the Miata were a heavy metal song, it would be sued by Metallica for copyright infringement. The MX-5 is a direct copy of the original Lotus Elan, but this plagiarism is the flattering kind, the respectful kind.
 
exigeracer
The MX-5 is a direct copy of the original Lotus Elan, but this plagiarism is the flattering kind, the respectful kind.
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Or would be if Lotus hadn't come out with the massively underrated sales bomb known as the Lotus Elan to compete with the MX-5.

That being said, the AW11 didn't compete with the Miata anyways, because it was gone by the time the Miata came out. And the SW20 was more of a mini 348 than a Miata competitor.
 

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