2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

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EVO's own lap time chart done at the Bedford Autodrome West Circuit, has the GT-R 2 seconds a lap quicker than the Z06.

Perhaps evidence in that for the average driver its easier to get quick times out of the GTR than it is in GT3's and Z06's as lets not forget the Z06 as done by sportauto is faster around the 'ring.
 
and I say that the driver of Sport Auto held back since it ( the GT-R ) was one of 3 pre-production cars and thus to be treated bit more gently. but anyway, this discussion has been through before, and ring times have been taboo ever since, so let's leave them outside this thread, mmkay?
 
and I say that the driver of Sport Auto held back since it ( the GT-R ) was one of 3 pre-production cars and thus to be treated bit more gently. but anyway, this discussion has been through before, and ring times have been taboo ever since, so let's leave them outside this thread, mmkay?

If we leave those times out we might aswell do so for any track. Oh and I hardly think he would have held back, or been told to hold back considering sportauto is such a influential magazine.
 
Sport Auto is just as biased as any other magazine. And even if he wasn't told to hold back, the knowledge that the car was one out of three in the world when that drive was done probably was in his mind. we never will know.
 
Sport Auto is just as biased as any other magazine. And even if he wasn't told to hold back, the knowledge that the car was one out of three in the world when that drive was done probably was in his mind. we never will know.

I hardly think the guy cares, he drives exotica around that place all the time and I have not read about him crashing once.
 
Hey, guys. Thought this article may be interesting for many of you. Not sure it it has been already posted here as i am not going to ckeck all those 100+ pages here ^^

Have a nice read! GT-R (among the Z06) the best sport car, in terms of prize-performance ration you will be able to get..., imho.

THE TOTAL AWESOMENESS IS UPON US !!!

This beast seems to have NO turbo lag! From 0-200 MP/H with a straight shot..., kinda like the behaviour of the Carrera GT which has no BI-Turbo but a "suck" engine (can't find the proper term for it, you know the kind of engine used in Formula 1 cars that doesn't lack of the so called "turbo lag" when it comes to acceleration...)

I personally already expected this car to have a superb prize/performance ratio but to be this godly......i am speechless...
So maybe in near future (were are talkin here at least 5 years from now on) if i happen to have some cash lying around i am going to buy this guy and improve it with some quality tuning...*fingers crossed*

I bet some of you auto afficinados will love to read what is written below

As the Nissan dude already stated....the Nissan GT-R appears to have no competitionat at the time it hits the streets...

Godzilla Takes on the 480-hp Yardstick

2009 Nissan GT-R vs. 2008 Porsche 911 Turbo

By Bill Thomas, Contributor Email

Date posted: 12-12-2007

Kazutoshi Mizuno, the chief vehicle engineer for the 2009 Nissan GT-R, describes his car as a "new kind of supercar, one with no competitors," and I thought of Mizuno-san as I nailed the GT-R's alloy throttle pedal right to the floor in 2nd gear coming onto a quiet section of derestricted autobahn near Koblenz. I'd nailed that throttle pedal right to the floor a number of times already on this day — difficult to resist — but somehow the big Nissan seemed to lunge forward with even more intensity than usual.

In my imagination, it was sniffing the long, gently curving, slightly uphill stretch of 'bahn and contemplating the lack of legal restriction on ultimate speed. The only limit would be the power of the car to overcome resistance, and the driver's ability to negotiate traffic. Long may the derestricted autobahn continue: in dry, crisp, sunny conditions, this magnificent car would be safe and composed at any speed.

A bellow from the GT-R's engine, a rush of revs, a gigantic accelerative force on my neck, 2nd is gone, a flick of the right-hand leather-trimmed shift paddle, bang, 3rd gear slammed home and the mighty rush intensified still. My god, this car is fast, one of the fastest production cars ever made.

Twin-Clutch Semi-Auto Gearbox
And so's the gearchange. Fast, that is. I could never describe the new GT-R without giving a nod to its incredible transmission right away. Mounted on a transaxle at the rear of the car for better weight balance, it's the technical highlight here. In Normal mode, the shifts from the twin-clutch semi-auto gearbox are rapid, with each preselected gear engaging in an instant, but in R mode they're even quicker. We're in R now, and we've hit 100 mph in about 10 heartbeats.

No official performance figure exists for that increment, but expect an 8-second 0-100-mph time. It's fast, alright. Nissan says 60 mph comes up in 3.5 seconds, the standing quarter-mile in 11.7 seconds and it goes on to 197 mph.

The GT-R's all-new VR38 engine, a 473-horsepower 3.8-liter V6 with twin IHI turbochargers, makes a fine noise, like a deeper, more muscular 350Z V6 howl overlaid with a harsh, white-noise static blast from the turbos. It is quieter and gentler in character than the classic RB26 2.6-liter straight-6 fitted to Skyline GT-Rs of old, and will probably never be as fondly regarded as a result, but there can be no arguing with its ability to rev, and no criticism of its power delivery. It is entirely linear, with no lag.

Slam it into 4th. What a monstrous gear this is, a killing gear if ever there was one. There's no let-up in G pressure forcing my spine rearward as the tach needle climbs to the 7,000-rpm redline. I have no idea what speed we're doing now, probably upward of 150 mph — I daren't take my eyes off the road. Up to 5th. Speed still piling on, the two-lane 'bahn taking on an alarming narrowness that multiplies exponentially for every 10 mph you do over 170 mph, the barriers closing in, the view beginning to blur to an extent you're not familiar with. A truck flits by on the inside lane, speed difference about 120 mph.

Bang into 6th. Getting hairy now. It wasn't until we hit an indicated 190 mph that the canary yellow Porsche 911 Turbo glued to my tail flashed his lights impatiently, sick of waiting. Mizuno-san reckons such a thing doesn't exist, but we thought we'd try to find a competitor anyway.

Godzilla's Details
More on the mighty Porsche later. Let's look at the star of the show first, Nissan's new flagship, the brand-halo supercar designed to be sold globally and showcase Nissan's technical skill. Brand-new purpose-built chassis, brand-new engine, brand-new transmission, brand-new body and design. The GT-R is all aggression on the outside. To my eye, it is a phenomenal-looking machine, distinct from anything else. Very Japanese and very hard. The overall stance is all wide shoulders and slashing arcs, a ground-hugging, flat-sided brute.

The aerodynamic performance of the car is astonishing. It has a drag coefficient to match that of a Prius at 0.27, so the shape is exceptionally slippery. Part of that is down to careful underbody design — a rear diffuser helps generate downforce at speed, too.

Step inside and you're instantly reminded of older Skylines. The design is functional rather than beautiful, quite old-fashioned and not trying too hard, with a large center console angled toward the driver and a high instrument binnacle across from a large multifunction screen. It all seems superbly well screwed together, as you'd expect of a Nissan, and the quality of the materials is high. It won't win design awards, but I really like the cockpit of this car.

Climb Inside
Slot in behind the steering wheel and immediately you feel comfortable and relaxed — this isn't a strange, wide, low supercar; it isn't daunting in that way. It's much more like a normal saloon in feel. As we'll see, this easy-to-drive nature is a key component of the new GT-R.

Keyless entry means you only punch the red metal starter button behind the gearlever to fire up the big V6. With the engine ticking over with a deep burble, you bring the stubby lever back to A-M — it is a normal gate for an auto. Flick it to the right and you have manual, but I want to trundle out of here in automatic first.

The transmission clunks and clacks a bit, but you soon get used to it. Its low-speed maneuvering isn't on par with the auto-clutch unit on the 430 Scuderia, being slightly jerky in the uptake, but it's usable. On the move in auto mode, the gearbox is sublime, changing up early in the style of an Audi DSG and using the engine's torque to the full. We burble out of Nissan's testing facility at the Nürburgring to meet the Porsche, bound for some of the best A-roads in the area, followed by the 'bahn.

Meet the 911 Turbo
I'm the one who brought the Porsche 911 Turbo. Good yardstick, this. As we dispatched the low countries at an easy gait, driving overnight across deserted highways, it seemed inconceivable that Nissan could design anything to get even close to this car. It is ancient. By "ancient" I don't mean old-fashioned, other than in its strangely narrow cockpit and upright windscreen — it's ancient in its utter solidity and feeling of being honed for decades.

The gearchange, for instance, is a masterwork in solid fluidity, without a trace of excess movement in its short action. The driving position is perfect, the large wheel placed just where you want it. And then there's the engine out the back, that mighty 480-hp horizontally opposed six, utterly unburstable and awesome in its power, slamming the car forward with indomitable force, all four wheels clawing the road.

The 911 Turbo is still a player, vast in its all-round ability, docile when it needs to be, fast as well. But driving these two cars back to back, it's not long before you realize that the Nissan makes it seem old-fashioned.

Meet the New Boss
Balance and body control of the GT-R are extraordinary through faster, bumpy bends that will have the 911 unsettled enough to make the driver lose confidence. I had a number of heart-in-mouth moments in the Turbo trying to keep up with the GT-R, even with the Porsche's suspension set to its harder Sport setting. It still seems soft, and there's a bouncy lack of balance in the way the suspension controls the body, and the way the big engine slung out the back threatens to swing round. By contrast, I never felt anything but natural solidity in the Nissan, adjustable and fluid.

Turn-in for the GT-R is beautiful, whether neutral or under brakes, and it grips forever — slippery surfaces seem to bring out the best in it. Time after time I left the Porsche behind as my four-wheel-drive system and traction control worked better out of wet corners — it wasn't just the fact that I could get on the power earlier. It was about confidence.

The Nissan really is something special, and you get the impression that while a master driver could wring every last ounce of performance out of the 911, your mother could do the same in the GT-R, all the while making lightning-fast up and down changes in milliseconds while the Porsche driver messes with manual.

Is It Too Good?
Which begs the question: Does the Nissan's ability reduce the driving pleasure?

Not at all. You can turn all the systems off if you so choose, and it's still supremely well balanced, no doubt a delight for a racing driver on a track. It doesn't feel as heavy as it is — it weighs a chunky 3,800 pounds, 170 or so more than the Porsche. But its supreme Nürburgring lap time of 7:38, a full 2 seconds faster than the Turbo (and on a partly wet track) is solely down to its completely planted feel, its awesome grip and traction, and the natural way it goes about maintaining speed through corners.

It feels high, almost on tiptoe in comparison to the 911, but that's because it is. It's a big car. But it's not slow. Our 'bahn tests proved that. From medium revs in 4th gear, with me driving the Nissan and with a passenger on board, the radio countdown allowed us to nail the throttles simultaneously with the cars side by side. The Porsche crawled forward, and I mean crawled, v-e-r-y slowly. It only highlights the supernatural performance of the GT-R.

The Best of the Best
For all-round ability, I have no doubt the Nissan is the best car I've ever driven. It is almost as fast as the Porsche — which means it's almost as fast as any car on earth — and inspires more confidence through corners, yet it's also more roomy and practical and has a proper modern gearbox. It's a big, solid car you can rely on when the going gets tricky, that you can thrash around a track, then set the suspension to soft, the transmission to auto, the Bose audio to full bass and putter into town without a trace of angst.

Oh, I nearly forgot — price. The 911 Turbo comes in at about $100,000, which is a good value for such a stupendous car, but the GT-R will cost about $40,000 less.

Mizuno-san is right. This car has no competitors. Not at any price. But that won't prevent one of the first GT-Rs in Europe from being bought by an anonymous man and taken to Porsche AG in Stuttgart for a thorough examination. With an even more powerful and lighter V-Spec GT-R on the way, Porsche can't afford to lag behind for long.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123940#24
 
Does anyone else see something wrong with that R&T comparison?

In every test I've seen involving the Porsche and the Z06, the Z06 has been considerably faster around the race track.
However, in this one test, the Porsche and Z06 ran nearly identical laps while the GTR runs away nearly six seconds faster than either.

For me that calls this test into question. :rolleyes:
 
Does anyone else see something wrong with that R&T comparison?

In every test I've seen involving the Porsche and the Z06, the Z06 has been considerably faster around the race track.
However, in this one test, the Porsche and Z06 ran nearly identical laps while the GTR runs away nearly six seconds faster than either.

For me that calls this test into question. :rolleyes:

Good call there Kent this does seem fishy and a 6 second gap over such a short track is a joke. Either once again the GTR is proven to be a easy car to get fast laps out of or the GTR had superior compounds fitted.

Now apparently the GTR braked just as quickly as the Z06 and the 911 Turbo in this test even though it is much heavier and isnt fitted with ceramics discs, which usually hinders heavy cars around racetracks due to fading etc. I think tyres are playing a big roll as they even mention the tyres grip as super.

As for the attessa system apparently its less complex than the one in the GTR R34
 
For me that calls this test into question. :rolleyes:

I second that as well... There seems to be a bit of shenanigans going on. One recalls that Buttonwillow is a very small track, one that would easily give favor to the GT-R's accelerating prowess. The Corvette should have been fractions of a second behind, at worst.

Either Millen is getting too old to drive or there was something wrong with the Corvette, because that is nowhere near correct. They should have let his son take the wheel...

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We'll see what Car and Driver and Motor Trend come up with, not to mention Automobile too. I rarely trust R&T anyway (Motor Trend too), so shenanigans don't seem too far off.
 
first off, everyone wanted individual magazine tests, and now that the results are starting to come in from the US, everyone is crying foul play since the favourite is getting spanked. tsk tsk tsk..

if this test tells us something, it tells that Z06 is more difficult to drive fast than these two 4wd competitors.
 
Maybe because AWD gives your more grip and it more stable? The Z06 while a good car is still a RWD car with a funky rear suspension.
 
Good call there Kent this does seem fishy and a 6 second gap over such a short track is a joke. Either once again the GTR is proven to be a easy car to get fast laps out of...
How come, you don't believe it when the GT-R beats the precious Porsche once more. And if you can, give me one good reason why the American guy would have knowingly made the Corvette lose by such an eternity if the car is so superior to anything else in its class. Another thing, is it a bad thing that a car is easy to drive fast? I thought every sports car maker tries to achieve that.

...or the GTR had superior compounds fitted.
We've seen this before. As soon as the GT-R begins doing well you pull the "superior tyres" card from your sleeve. You've already played it once and, as far as I can remember, got proved wrong. In case you didn't know, the 911 Turbo runs (or should run at least) on Michelin Pilot Sport Cups. Do you seriously think there are tyres much better than those?

Now apparently the GTR braked just as quickly as the Z06 and the 911 Turbo in this test even though it is much heavier and isnt fitted with ceramics discs, which usually hinders heavy cars around racetracks due to fading etc. I think tyres are playing a big roll as they even mention the tyres grip as super.
How about better ABS systems, better weight control under braking or better brakes altogether? Being heavy doesn't necessarily mean sucking at braking, take a look at the braking performance of the usual grocery getters of today and the family saloons of today. They have the same braking distances despite the fact that the latters weigh almost twice as much as the formers.

As for the attessa system apparently its less complex than the one in the GTR R34
The ATTESA E-TS is more refined on the R35 than on the R34 but the R35 is lacking the Super HICAS four wheel steering of the older GT-R's to save weight.
 
first off, everyone wanted individual magazine tests, and now that the results are starting to come in from the US, everyone is crying foul play since the favourite is getting spanked. tsk tsk tsk..

if this test tells us something, it tells that Z06 is more difficult to drive fast than these two 4wd competitors.

Of course its "more difficult," but I'm not sure why thats important... I'd imagine its a helluva lot more fun to drive as well.

The problem is, the Z06 handily destroys the 911 Turbo in every comparison drive I've read, and yet, it gets beat here? Furthermore, we know that the overall performance of the Z06 and GT-R are nearly identical, and yet, these lap times clearly do not show that.

Something is up. Plain and simple. Its not about being a Corvette fan or a GT-R fan (remember, I like the GT-R, but I don't LOVE it), its about reasonable tests and fair comparisons. Europe has done theirs, America is starting to do theirs, but given the relative inability of R&T to drive anything, I do question the outcome of these tests.

The GT-R is a wonderful car, don't get me wrong, but there is something wrong with this test.
 
if and when you find out if there is such thing, please, do tell. until then, we can't do anything else but accept these results for now.
 
Does anyone else see something wrong with that R&T comparison?

In every test I've seen involving the Porsche and the Z06, the Z06 has been considerably faster around the race track.
However, in this one test, the Porsche and Z06 ran nearly identical laps while the GTR runs away nearly six seconds faster than either.

For me that calls this test into question. :rolleyes:

American car magazines have been scrutinized before for skewing results in favour of ad dollars. Other then that there are always factors such as worn tires, tired engines, worn brakes, etc.
 
In case you didn't know, the 911 Turbo runs (or should run at least) on Michelin Pilot Sport Cups.

The turbo does not come with them as standard. Those tires are considered as tricky in wet or damp conditions, and deemed as unecessary as standard fitment on the 997TT as it is after all designed for middle aged men who want a fast but relaxing porsche.

How come, you don't believe it when the GT-R beats the precious Porsche once more. And if you can, give me one good reason why the American guy would have knowingly made the Corvette lose by such an eternity if the car is so superior to anything else in its class. Another thing, is it a bad thing that a car is easy to drive fast? I thought every sports car maker tries to achieve that.

Because things arent matching up and the guy here makes no mention of what tires each vehicle is using, something which the germans never forget to do. The germans give details, upon detail upon detail.

Now a evo is a another reputable car for making people appear to be a better driver than they really are, but many people would still say the slower cayman etc is a better car.
 
let me show this post on R&T forums from one of the editors of R&T..


*click*

Normally I would ignore this type of post, but since I know who you are I'll comment. Steve Millen did not sandbag. Steve has been a trusted friend of this magazine for years. The fact that he's won endurance races at Sebring, Daytona and LeMans should be enough qualifications, but if in doubt he's won plenty others. Steve gets paid to go fast consistantly, never to go slow.

As for his ties with Nissan, I doubt he would have anything to gain by lieing about a product. He surely didn't when he drove a 350Z for us back in 2005 during the Best All-Around Sports Car story.

When I first heard the results of the GT-R test I had a similar reaction you did. That of "no way" is the GT-R 5-seconds a lap quicker! Having the resources to look at the collected GPS data I proceeded to explore what happened. Turns out the GT-R has better tires and the AWD technology to put them to use. Lots of other factors, but I assure you Steve didn't hold back in the Z06. Nothing in the data would suggest that. The fact that the 911 Turbo and Z06 ran nearly identical times is as expected from all previous testing of the two cars.

If this vouching is not enough look up what Chris Harris of Auto Car thinks in a comparison he did with the Porsche GT3, M3 and GT-R. Guess who's quicker?

Best,
-Shaun

P.S. If I'm wrong Motonishi-san can have my job.





Message Edited by Shaun_Bailey on 03-19-2008 09:44 AM


Shaun Bailey, Detroit Editor
Shaun Bailey
Detroit Editor
Road & Track Magazine
 
Wikipedia on Steve Millen

I bet that guy doesn't need a good car to look good. Before someone jumps on me, my mistake, he isn't American like I said before.

And if the 911 Turbo indeed has bad tyres as stock, why on earth should it affect the results? There was this one guy *cough* who wanted to make sure the GT-R used its runflats in tests while the Porsches were running the race spec Michelins. So now it's the GT-R gaining an advantage just because it has better tyres but when the Porsches were using stickier rubber it didn't mean anything for their performance, they were just superior cars?

This is getting ridiculous again, it's obvious that certain people aren't satisfied until someone says that the GT-R is an overweight pile of junk, that the Corvette is the best road car ever and that the 911 is better still. I'm cuite sure that a review like that is coming some day and it'll be a German magazine that does it. The facts don't seem to mean too much but each to their own. I tend to believe the numbers.
 
Seems I stirred the pot (or threw rocks at a hornets nest). :dunce: :lol:

That being the case, hear me out once again. :sly:
The GTR is amazing. 👍
It seems like the height of driving in my opinion. Everyone who touches it drives it as fast as Ferraris and no one has a hard time doing it. Not many, if any, average people can do that with cars like Ferraris and other RWD cars.
Being predictable, easy to control, and full of grip may take some of the pure-ist enjoyment out but it pays off big. I like that, it fits my ideals about cars and works well.

I'm not saying I like the GTR more than any car but I definately like the GTR. 👍

So with that said...
I would rather have an 80,000 dollar Corvette, :sly: (that's not to say the Z06 necessarily because the roads of Louisiana are arguably the worst public roads in America). I really like the GTR as a whole but I don't really like the appearance (prefer the R34 personally), don't particularly like the faults of high-end foreign sportscars when they come to the US (maintenance in general, none the less the trouble of stuff like Nitrogen tire gas :boggled: ).

Generally speaking, we all need to remember what these cars are doing relative to the world around them and not just the cars competing against them. :D

Edit:
All that said...
Chris Harris of Autocar tested the 997 GT3 and GTR to be about 2 seconds apart over a similar type of track of similar lap times (headed out to find it now). (know where it is and just have to wait for the site to slow down so I can get it)
 
This is getting ridiculous again, it's obvious that certain people aren't satisfied until someone says that the GT-R is an overweight pile of junk, that the Corvette is the best road car ever and that the 911 is better still. I'm cuite sure that a review like that is coming some day and it'll be a German magazine that does it. The facts don't seem to mean too much but each to their own. I tend to believe the numbers.

It's just as much the other way around as well, there are numerous people that think the GT-R is the best thing since sliced bread and will not accept someone not liking it.
 
My money is on tires. Lets get some super high grip stuff on the porsche and z06 and redo the test. I reckon the Z06 would come first and the porsche being near enough identical to the GTR. We need sportauto to test the GTR using some michelin rubber so arguments can be settled once and for all.

In the chris harris test the GT3 was actually handicapped due to the conditions which does not suit the tyres it was using on the day.
 
It would be funny if, when they were to put Michelin PS2s (or something similar) on the car, it went even faster. Especially since your tire argument is once again based on the concept that the GT-R has some kind of super tires on it.

Seriously, the only thing I can think of that is noteworthy is that the Z06 is so slow. I personally don't know why that is the case (Road and Track is a sissy magazine :D), though, so I won't comment on it further.


Joey D
It's just as much the other way around as well,
I'm inclined to agree, but its usually the ones who have a grudge against the car that start the arguments and are far more vocal in said opposition.
 
The thing is, that the track configuration the R&T used was medium speed one. Z06 had issues with traction even with Steve Millen behind the wheel. he himself said that GT-R was easier and faster to drive, that it could utilise all advantages it had to overcome the opponents advantages. overall, the GT-R is more balanced car. Millen said that when entering the corner there was slight understeer, but if the throttle was kept down, the tail would step out, helping to keep the line tight before the ATTESA would feed the torque to the front and slingshot the car out of the corner.

BMI used tiptronic 997 Turbo, and porsche boys cried that it didn't have LSD that the manual has. R&T used manual, and they cried that it doesn't accelerate as quickly as the tiptronic would. hell, 997 Turbo even has turbo boost feature that increases boost temporarily, and chrono sports pack or whatever it's called that is supposed to increase throttle response, and still it was beaten by a car that is heavier and has less torque. and if you would know how 997 Turbo has to be driven, you would know that they are driven with slight drift angle because otherwise it would understeer and be even slower, according the owners.
 
It is very true that the Corvette needs a bit of space to make up for its (short) losses in acceleration to the GT-R. Furthermore, the lack of AWD certainly makes it a bit more prone to "twitchy" handling at times, but overall, most of those issues have been quelled in the past two years with the revisions to the car.

The thing is, the gap is vast, and abnormally so. The Corvette should have split the difference easily between the GT-R and the 997T, and I would have been fine with that. Don't get me wrong, I love the 911 and the Corvette nearly as much, but I know that the Z06 is faster than the 997T by a larger margin than most would expect.

Again, it will be interesting to see what happens as the newer issues come out for everyone. In the hands of people who obviously know how to drive a Corvette correctly, its going to be an EPIC death match between it and the GT-R. And the GT3 (which will probably be used by C&D).
 
evo mag readers question
Since the video mentions deeper/later braking for the GTR, can you please let us know if the Porsche had ceramics or steel brakes ?

Evo mag
The guy who specs the UK press cars has a habit of ticking all the boxes so yes, the GT3 had ceramic brakes fitted.
Seen the comments discussing whether the GT3 had a compromise lap compared to the GT-R. Rest assured, we had several attempts at extracting the best time from the GT3 and there was no way it would ever match the GT-R's pace on track that day.
Seems the GT-R produces well over the quoted 480bhp (according to independent tests I've read), it's 4WD, has a turbo enhanced torque curve, super-trick tyres, a wider track and a DSG gearbox.
Add that little lot up and it's not surprising it set a better lap time.

Lookey here the GTR's super grippy tires get another mention.
 
since it comes with them, they're not extra option worth of gazillion $$$$. Just drop it. you didn't win this last time, you won't win it now.
 
So, judging from the information we've been given, straight from the factory the GT-R has:

- More power
- Better traction
- Better brakes
- Better tyres
- Better suspension geometry
- A better gearbox

Which, to me, makes it sound like it's indeed the better car and the fast lap times are fully justified. Come to think of it, this is exactly what has been said since it was launched. It still seems to be too much for the Porsche people to believe though. Nissan has beaten the class leaders this time and it should just be admitted.
 
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