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What car magazine? What track? More info please.
Its Car magazine đź’ˇ
And if you want more info go buy the magazine, the publishers want to get their investment back.
What car magazine? What track? More info please.
not sure doesnt say on thier site although at the lap times i would hazzard a guess at bedford autodrome ( or is that evo that uses there?)Sorry, I thought it was a generalization. And I never heard of "Car Magazine" I usually just read the online articles here and other places.
But what track was this timed at? I'm surprised how well the GT-R is fairing up with the competition. Nissan really made the GT-R a serious contender. Kudos đź‘Ť
Yeah, look at my last post, and you don't have to be a dick for someone mis-reading your post. For me it's kind of a hassle to go buy a magazine considering I don't have a car, and I kinda live out of the way and it's to late to go bike into town... And even if it wasn't late I don't feel like going out considering I am sick, so can't you just supply a little more information. đź‘ŽIts Car magazine đź’ˇ
And if you want more info go buy the magazine, the publishers want to get their investment back.
Don't know xD but thanks for the info anyways. đź‘Ťnot sure doesnt say on thier site although at the lap times i would hazzard a guess at bedford autodrome ( or is that evo that uses there?)
Yeah, look at my last post, and you don't have to be a dick for someone mis-reading your post. For me it's kind of a hassle to go buy a magazine considering I don't have a car, and I kinda live out of the way and it's to late to go bike into town... And even if it wasn't late I don't feel like going out considering I am sick, so can't you just supply a little more information.
I dont care how many miles a car journalist drives in all sorts of different cars as matter of fact they can never give me the full picture of what its like to live with a car day to day. Why else do car jorno's resort to long term tests? So they can give us full perspective of what its like to live with that car day to day.
The problem with mags like evo etc is that they are too performance orientated reviews. I want to read more about real life situations. I want to read about how the cars are how 99% of them are actually driven by real owners. Car jornos most of the time miss a car's hidden talents because they dont get to drive it day to day. Hell Im still learning stuff about my car and forming opinions on it all the time.
Now im a gas engineer and all of the men who have been in the trade for 30+ yrs all say that the customer knows more about their appliance than the engineer will. And the same goes for car owners vs car jornos.
And then there are the honest owners, of which there are hundred around. We dont have many on this forum as most people here either dont drive or drive something thats not exactly sporting.
Did I say that it was bad?
But many do.
Take note of the evo's weight distribution. Hell do you know how many cars have a weight distribution of around 60:40?
Notice how on one corner the 997 TT is massively slower than the competition in one of the corners which is kinda odd.
I think once the R8 comes out with a more powerful engine it could very well be the fastest of these cars, although I hear from the porsche boys that the facelift 997 TT is not far off and porsche are on a mission. Happy Days
It's not odd at all. The 911 does something in certain slow corners. It's called understeer. That's one of the disadvantages of the RR layout. In the Autocar video, you'll notice that it's this that gave the GT-R a faster lap-time than the 911 GT3. Without it, the 911 would have been faster.
Did you not read and take on board the "Zero tolerance" part of the thread title? Given how close you are to a ban and your past track record I would be very, very careful about your attitude. I can assure you that should you get banned again you will not be coming back.Dont act all high and mighty with me as if you have authority around here. Go tell some more people how much better your nova is than inferior mini's.
Sorry but I totally disagree with you on this, little news flash for you Car journalists are car owners too, and ones with generally a much greater interest and understanding of the cars they own that the vast majority of average car owners. They are also better placed to compare them to a wider range of cars that the average owner is as well, the average owner of a car may think it the best think since sliced bread (and in isolation may be right), however in comparison to other competitors may in truth be average. As for spending time with cars to get to know them inside out, what do you think thousands of miles on road tests and long term tests are for?The problem with mags like evo etc is that they are too performance orientated reviews. I want to read more about real life situations. I want to read about how the cars are how 99% of them are actually driven by real owners. Car jornos most of the time miss a car's hidden talents because they dont get to drive it day to day. Hell Im still learning stuff about my car and forming opinions on it all the time.
Now im a gas engineer and all of the men who have been in the trade for 30+ yrs all say that the customer knows more about their appliance than the engineer will. And the same goes for car owners vs car jornos.
EvoIn fact, you find yourself short-shifting and soft-pedalling the throttle to give the Audi a chance to catch up so you can see how hard it's trying. The game has moved on.
EvoYou can enjoy its effortless precision at a lazy lope or at full speed
0-100-0 vs Corvette Z06
OK so all you lot really want is the numbers for this one, so here we go:
All figures are Z06 / GTR
0-30 : 1.9 / 1.7
0-40 : 2.5 / 2.3
0-50 : 3.1 / 3.0
0-60 : 3.9 / 3.8
0-80 : 5.8 / 6.0
0-90 : 7.4 / 7.3
0-100 : 8.5 / 8.9
0-100-0 : 14.0 / 13.9
All times recorded at the Santa Pod drag strip
Sorry but I totally disagree with you on this, little news flash for you Car journalists are car owners too, and ones with generally a much greater interest and understanding of the cars they own that the vast majority of average car owners.
Again I would counter with the same question, do you not think that car journalists own cars and have the same (or greater) depth of knowledge.True but im not talking about the average car owner as they in most cases are not too interested anyway. Im talking about the real enthusiasts, the guys that have owned M3's, Evo's, 911's, R34's and caterhams throughout their lifetime. People like blowdog for example, and there are quite a number of people who have owned such high performance vehicles in the UK. I used to think the E46 M3 could do no wrong, that it was the best thing since sliced bread due to how the media fussed over it, but then I read a few owners reviews and how the M3 compared to Evo's and 911's and I soon learnt that these guys talked about things that all these car journo's seemingly missed your just failed to mention. The M3 is still a great car but its by no way the gift from god like some people like to speak of it.
I have learnt far more from them about those vehicles and how they behave on the track and on the road than I have from car magazines.
No laptimes were posted for the R8 and Z06 because the GT-R was put against each in isolation, however both have previously been around the same track, with the following times...Anyway back to the evo article, where there no laptimes for the Z06 or R8?
I also have gripes how they state that the GTR has moved the game on when comparing it to the R8. In what way do they mean as from reading different car mags im getting conflicting messages. The R8 doesnt have the power to keep up with the GTR, but many say its a much better handler, and the more enjoyable track car. Same going for the GT3.
Im hazarding a guess that the GTR, like such cars as the Evo are easy to get fast and consistent laptimes out of, and that it makes average and above drivers seem like they are more skilled than they really are. I support this view back to the sportauto figures where proffesional drivers seem to post faster lap times in the GT3. But then again maybe this track just suits the GTR's nature better.
To be honest your comments went beyond reasonable scepticism and given the majority of evidence seen so far (the cars used both by Evo and Autocar were not press cars, rather personal imports straight from the Japanese Nissan dealership network) accusations of specifically preped cars do not seem to be bearing out at all.And guys im really not a GTR hater. I was just scepticle of the nissans claimed 'ring time, that is all there is too it. I never thought it was slow I just dont believe it lapped it in what nissan said they did.
I think we all await tests on this car, and I don't think its will stop the internet speculation. Additionally given that we will have to wait some time for your 'real enthusiasts' to have time with the cars, the writings of those real enthusiasts who also happen to write will have to do for now (and they certainly seem to like the car).Anyway I await more tests of this vehicle, and I more eagerly await to see how the industry responds. The GTR is good for the car industry. Right now the porsche forums are talking why the 997TT is slower around the racetrack and why they doubt the 500hp, DSG equipped Facelifted turbo will also struggle to beat it.
I would strongly recommend to anyone in the UK that they pick up a copy of the latest Evo to have a good read of these three tests.
No laptimes were posted for the R8 and Z06 because the GT-R was put against each in isolation, however both have previously been around the same track, with the following times...
Audi R8 - 1:22.10
Z06 - 1:24.45
..however those would have been recorded under different conditions, the circuit is the one that Evo always use and as such it does provide a limited benchmark. However that does not get away from the fact that the GT-R is very quick indeed.
If anything, the R8 should have had its ass handed to it by the Z06 without much of a problem. That is of course, unless they used a Z51, which would have been a very close race.
I would strongly recommend to anyone in the UK that they pick up a copy of the latest Evo to have a good read of these three tests.
Regards
Scaff
You really do not give the R8 enough credit.
I have trouble trusting a source where a Ford Mustang is 1 tenth off a Turbo and the Turbo is beaten handily by an "old" Corvette Z51. In my opinion, im very sceptical of bias.Using the Car and Driver "Lightning Lap" yardstick from the 2007 test at Virginia International Raceway:
(lap time/average speed in MPH)
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - 2:58.2/82.7
Porsche 911 GT3 - 3:01.8/81.3
Chevrolet Corvette Z51 - 3:03.6/80.0 (BTW: This is the "old" LS2-powered model, times should improve slightly for 2008 with the extra 36 BHP from the LS3)
Audi R8 - 3:04.6/79.6
Porsche 911 Turbo - 3:05.8/79.9
Ford Shelby GT500 - 3:05.9/79.2
The west circuit at Bedford Autodrome is a fairly technical circuit, it does have two chicanes and a couple of shortish straights (around a 1/4 mile each), it would tend to favour handling over raw power, but not to a huge degree.Well, if this is the place that Evo does all its tests, I suppose the R8's power deficit is its one big handicap there... given that these cars are faster in a straight line, the R8's lap time is an accomplishment in itself, reflective of its more advantageous mid-engined layout.
From what I can remember (a friend has my last EVO copy at the moment... ) there is at least one chicane and a complex turn-combination or two that may give the Z06 some trouble. It might be a rear-geometry problem that GM will finally sort out on the Z51.
The Evo article says...But like Scaff says, you can't really compare lap-times on different days on a 1:1 basis, simply because changes in the weather and track conditions can affect them drastically (as we pointed out, RE: Nurb, so many hundreds of pages ago...). The only times that matter are the GT3's versus the GT-Rs... one thing I'd like to know... any mention of track temperature in the article? The Autocar video hinted that cold conditions weren't good for the Pilot Cup Sports on the GT3... I'd like to know if it was a similarly cold and/or greasy day during the EVO test.
evoPoor weather would have unquestionable sealed the 911's fate before the test could start, so it's great to see the west circuit is bathed in brilliant sunshine as we convene in the pit lane.
Loving mine more and more each day, the more miles it gets under it the better the engine feels and handling wish its excellent. Not a single regret at all, and the RWD makes it more fun as well.Speaking of which, Scaff, I've finally gotten to drive the E90 320i... great car... nice and sharp... no wonder you got one... kinda light on steering feel, though, compared to my older Mazda, and it's obviously slower, because of the weight, but I like it better than most of the other cars on the road in this class. How's yours going? (shameless OT)
I have trouble trusting a source where a Ford Mustang is 1 tenth off a Turbo and the Turbo is beaten handily by an "old" Corvette Z51. In my opinion, im very sceptical of bias.