2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

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Jim Prower
and it would kind of make the GT-R less special. Besides, when was the Cayenne any sort of Benchmark? Isn't that the vehicle most lauded by Porsche enthusiasts?
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It is lauded by enthusiasts however it is one of the main reasons why Porsche is still alive.
 
There's already a youtube up of blowdog's skyline vs. the Gt3. It's a second quicker.
 
Leonidae
old news for me. it's mere speculation.. but if it's not, it'll probably end up being Infiniti.
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It would seem more likely, yes. I do wonder how long it will be until some tuning company shoehorns the GT-R driveline under an EX or FX crossover. Thing is, the FX45 is already awesomely fast, so one would assume that an EX GT-R would make some kind of sense (given that its pretty much a Skyline/G35 with a lift)...

...Not that I'd buy one. As far as awesomely fast SUVs are concerned, I'm still siding with the deliciously evil Jeep SRT-8...
 
forza2.0
Blowdog who also owns this GT3 and has owned ferraris and the R34 GTR Nurb in the past has finally got his GTR.

We will finally get some unbiased views on how both cars differe on and off the track, how they are for everyday life, and how it compares to his old R34 GTR Nurb.

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Strangely looks like the one driven on fifth gear....hmmm
 
it is the same car. GTC borrowed the car to fifth gear and then that odd bloke who needs a shave badly, and whose beloved BMW M3's brakes failed after 3 laps.
 
18's do fit on a GTR: http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/2008/02/multimedia-message.html

also

That is not cem's (blowdog's) car. Its ben's, its the same car tested in all the uk tests, and cem drove it, here is his review:

blowdog
Today truly was a privilege as I made real an ambition that had been brewing for a number of years.

After Ben Linney (GT Culture) kindly invited me to his abode today, I really was looking forward to seeing the GTR in the flesh for the first time. I'd passed up many opportunities recently to see the car face to face, either in Tokyo or in more local arenas. I'd brushed alongside them many times on the ring during their testing, but never seen one in production trim. Today was an opportunity to finally put to rest my opinion on its aesthetics and hope to grab a ride as a passenger.

As an owner of a 997GT3, I have treated the arrival of the GTR with mixed emotions. Porsche have continually provided its userbase with cars that are exciting, reliable and extremely capable, so I knew if the GTR was to succeed in any way (at least, at a subjective, personal level), it needed to be VERY special indeed. The car market is such at the moment where the benchmarks are very high with a plethora of models available at that price range.

Driving down the country lane where Ben resides, it was only the massive streak of white I passed tucked behind a high wall and bushes that made me slam on my brakes and reverse back up the road. Standing proud in front of the house, there's no questioning its imposing stance. Butch, squat, wide and fat, it has the presence of an angry gorilla.

It is big, no doubt. But it's no bigger, at least by first impressions, than the R34 was. In fact, the R34's boot gave it a slightly elongated look. The 35 by comparison is clean in design and sharp in detail. I figured out what gave it its big look, it's those wheels - they are absolutely huge and are further accentuated by the dark metallic finish, the whole area around the wheels are lost in shadow.

Looking at both cars from the rear, it’s clear that the GTR wears its size with pride as it makes no attempt to disguise its high back end. In fact, with the boot-line ending high up, it appears to be an exaggerated design feature. It has a look of a space shuttle about it. The GT3 next to it was positively dwarfed. However, the GT3 rides a lot lower as some of the photos show and were it not for the non-existent gap between tyre and wing, I’d say there was a few inches one could lose from the ride height of the GTR.

I’m still not convinced by the interior. As much as anyone would deny it, it’s only really when you sit inside you can see that it is ‘only’ a £60k car. An Audi R8 puts it to little shame, although some may argue the R8 is over designed. Still, we’re talking about a car that costs £30k more at the moment. Despite the budget switchgear, I still don’t like the way the centre console seems to have an air of arbitrary placement about it. No real thought seems to have been placed on the location of the consoles and it doesn’t quite gel together. Gran Turismo dials do give it some credibility though and I look forward to hours of fun tinkering with the touch screen display.

I ask Ben if he plans on ever getting the car dirty by way of hinting for a ride. Next I know he’s sitting in the passenger seat and I’m beckoned into the hot seat. Now, I’ve been given the keys to a lot of cars – everything from Ferraris to Lamborghinis to every kind of Porsche model made (including GuyR’s 600BHP Ruf). I almost always say no because this kind of thing always ends in tears, but for once in my life I make an exception – there is no way on earth any man would pass up this opportunity.

The GTR has keyless start with the fob needed only in close vicinity for the Start button to be active. Once pressed, I’m overly surprised by what is a very mechanical and certainly menacing engine bark. Strangely emanating from the rear too. I half expected a more electronic feel to this car but the presence of a nuts and bolts car can’t be denied and I’m pleased by this minor observation.

It sounds great and shows a lot of promise. I’d hyped the car up so much myself (no thanks to the massive positive press lately) that I was afraid it just couldn’t match my expectations.

Press the button on the gear leaver and slot into D, release the brake and the car creeps forward. An overly enthusiastic prod of the throttle sends the car leaping forward – holy cow that throttle is so sensitive! A little more discretion this time as a feathered massage is all that is required. Last thing I want right now is to launch Ben’s spaceship into the Oak tree right in front of us that seems to be mocking me.

“Does the front ground?” I ask as we pull out of his drive. “No, it’s quite high” replies Ben, and he’s quite right, it clears with plenty to spare. Pulled out of his drive, I’m impressed by the low speed weight of the steering and I’m so absorbed by the comfort and intimacy of what is a very cosy environment, I’m suddenly shocked to see the gear indicator showing [6]! Have I had a black out, or has this car just gone through all 6 gears in 10 seconds without a hint of ever having done so? I suspect this transmission is going to be quite the toy.

A few km later and I’m really enjoying the ride. It’s firm, taut and incredibly resolved. There’s this sense of gravity about it, but not in the manner of pure weight. It feels absorbed into the very tarmac it rides upon and I am feeling a level of assuredness only possible in a 4WD chassis – every corner of this car is sending a signal through my buttocks.

Ben encourages me to switch into manual mode - you can either pull the gear lever from A to M, or you can quite simply tug on one of the paddle shifts to take control. I do the latter and bring the gear down from sixth to fifth. And down to fourth and finally third. It’s perfect. Immediate, smooth, vocal – I’ve not seen a gearbox so awesome in my life and all of a sudden, I’m a paddle-shift convert.

“You’re in R mode now” says Ben, his grin reminiscent of the devils own. Glancing down I see all the lights are glaring at me bright red. Solid encouragement if I’ve ever seen some.

The road suddenly clears and I have a good view so I bury the throttle and.....OMGGGG holy **** this thing is fast! I mean, REALLY fast. Porsche GT3? Forget it, doesn’t have the torque. 997 Turbo? We’ll stop later and wait for it to catch up. This car is truly, sensationally fast and I have a sudden understanding when Chris Harris calls it a baby Veyron.

Any gear, any speed, press the LOL pedal and your back compresses all the layers of fat from your back, out of your ears in a way that’ll have you reciting school assembly hymns for the love of god. My fear for my license keeps me at bay – I’ll save the top figures for the Autobahn or the circuit.

See, this is the thing about lap times. Essentially, nobody gives a **** as the real world performance of a car is infinitely more relevant. That means in-gear times, torque, throttle response – in this context, the 997 TT is simply playing catch up.

And the car handles it with consummate ease with its trick suspension and 4WD super chassis doing an incredible job of telling Einstein that all his theories were wrong and in fact we’ve been studying the wrong laws of physics. It’s true, the GTR demonstrated that E most definitely doesn’t equal MC squared. How else can a car with 1700KG appear to be so lithe and nimble, so fast and manoeuvrable? That apple was rotten, Newton.

It’s a focused driver’s machine, no doubt. It’s so ridiculously fast I suspect each squish of the throttle will do nothing but fuel an addiction that will have you institutionalised in some form or another.

Oh another thing, this car is not for the discreet. If you enjoy the Hollywood lifestyle, or at least aspire to it, then this is the quickest way of buying into fame. Everyone stares – give this car a few more months exposure and it’ll be monumental. In white, you’re the messiah, returned. With a Mr T haircut.

I give Ben the keys to my car and encourage him to take advantage of the GT3. I’ll leave it for Ben to tell that story, but he appears to have huge fun as you can see by the picture . As I get back into my car, I am by no means ready to dismiss it. It’s a totally different car. The GT3 I suspect is still the king of the circuit based on its infinite feedback. But for an everyday proposition that does everything you could ever want from a car, the GTR is king of the road.

I’m hoping to be one of the first in the country with a UK car, today’s drive was the carrot at the end of the stick and I cannot wait for my car to arrive.

I’m sat here at home writing this and the single memory I can’t shake is the sheer power of this car.

I just wish I could afford to keep both the GT3 and the GTR, in their own disciplines, they’re both unbeatable.

Thanks again Ben, a privilege indeed!
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Well, I think this is another motivator for me to make a lot of money. :lol:

Sounds awesome.
 
forza2.0
We will finally get some unbiased views on how both cars differe on and off the track, how they are for everyday life, and how it compares to his old R34 GTR Nurb.
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And Chris Harris, Mr. 911 himself, is biased, how?

But from the report from BD himself, it looks like a win. :lol:
 
niky
And Chris Harris, Mr. 911 himself, is biased, how?
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How? For all the same reasons why I would say all other magazine car reviewers are.

No one knows more about their car than a owner, and I will take a owners review or opinion of something over some average car mag jorno.

What I really want to see is a drag race between the GTR, that new Z06 model and the RS6.
 
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How? For all the same reasons why I would say all other magazine car reviewers are.

No one knows more about their car than a owner, and I will take a owners review or opinion of something over some average car mag jorno.

What I really want to see is a drag race between the GTR, that new Z06 model and the RS6.
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"Official performance figures: 4.6-second 0-100 km/h, 17.3 seconds 0-200 km/h and top speed is electronically governed to 250 km/h."

The RS6 will get smoked, why mention it? It's not even in the same class, a station wagon 4 door heavy but quick as hell family car with a TT V10? WTF
 
And we already know that the Z06 is only about two tenths behind the GT-R to 60 MPH, and will eventually outgun it in top-speed. The ZR1 will likely be in the same neighborhood, probably less, but that all depends on how much traction those rear tires can get.
 
Wasn't the R34 and older Skylines going from 0-60 mph in about 5.0-5.1 seconds?

Compared to that, the GT-R sounds slow as hell with 100 horsepower more...
 
Div is back

"Official performance figures: 4.6-second 0-100 km/h, 17.3 seconds 0-200 km/h and top speed is electronically governed to 250 km/h."

The RS6 will get smoked, why mention it? It's not even in the same class, a station wagon 4 door heavy but quick as hell family car with a TT V10? WTF
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Official performance figures from audi are conservative, whilst performance figures from nissan are optimistic. Im also talking about the ZR1 Z06.

Just wait till we get independant tests and I mention it because its relevant in real life. If a RS6 and GTR owner cross each other paths on the motorway im sure they will have a little play and the sedan is gonna be lighter still.
 
Oh, lordy, NOT THIS AGAIN!!!

Alright, guys, I we need to take another look at the title of the thread in your browser's title bar, and rethink this argument before it goes further...
 
forza2.0
Official performance figures from audi are conservative, whilst performance figures from nissan are optimistic. Im also talking about the ZR1 Z06.

Just wait till we get independant tests and I mention it because its relevant in real life. If a RS6 and GTR owner cross each other paths on the motorway im sure they will have a little play and the sedan is gonna be lighter still.
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Your logic is again flawed and I'll just leave it at that.
 
RE: 0-60... depends... I've seen a lot of numbers out there, but some of them are 0-62, which is often 0,1 to 0.5 seconds slower, depending the car and the shifts. I wouldn't quibble over it... it's hard to get consistent numbers out of cars this fast, anyway... so I'm happy to lump all 3 second cars (Z06, GT-R, Lambo-rrari) together. Now, the sub-3 second cars... that's amazing.

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How? For all the same reasons why I would say all other magazine car reviewers are.

No one knows more about their car than a owner, and I will take a owners review or opinion of something over some average car mag jorno.

What I really want to see is a drag race between the GTR, that new Z06 model and the RS6.
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And why is that?

Blowdog is not the owner of the GT-R in that review he posted. So what makes him any different from Chris, who has logged hundreds, if not thousands of miles in different 911 variants over the past year, yet doesn't own a GT-R?

Any autojournalist who actually knows how to drive should be able to extract 99% of that info within 100 miles. On each test, I log at least 60-100 miles a day. But for more established journos, whose day job actually includes that driving, that can stretch to 300 miles in a day. Many car owners don't drive as long and as far as journalists do. And car owners will not relentlessly pick and prod at their own cars on every single mile driven like journos will.

99% of the pissing contests on the internet are because most owners can't accept that there are flaws to their cars, simply because they don't have enough seat time in the other cars out there and they're horribly, narcissistically in love with their own machines. To the point that they don't pay attention to the flaws in the car. James May wrote an entertaining piece on this. He'd had a car whose doors wouldn't stay shut in a turn, but he never thought about it. He'd tuned it out and put it down to "character". So much so that he neglected to mention those doors to a person who borrowed the car... with interesting results.

Would I trust BlowDog? From his write-up, he's apparently paying attention to details, and he's got a lot of experience of other cars. He notes that the GT-R feels lighter than it should, and is well-composed, but that steering feedback doesn't seem as good as the 911. And he says that the power is epic. He notes the cheap switchgear but doesn't pan the car completely on that one trivial fact. I guess I trust him.

See, he's trying to be objective. Unlike some people here. And that's an autojourno's job, objectivity. I'll gladly say that no modern Audi has actually ever tickled my fancy, but when they released the RS4 (and subsequently, the R8), I sat up and took notice. With a 60:40 weight balance, the RS4 just shouldn't be good... but it is. People I respect say so, so I take their word for it.

That's two 911-lovers who've been bowled over by the GT-R. And one track test that has the GT-R show up the 911 GT3 (with the caveat, though, that the Pilot Sport Cups might be slicker than the Bridgestones in the cold). Hopefully that's proof enough that this car is worthy, at least, of a little respect?

Or are you waiting for the entire Porsche-Audi rah-rah crowd to actually get on their knees before it before grudgingly admitting that it "might" be good? :lol:
 
and can we leave it at that? I read the review BlowDog made as well, and I came to the same conclusion: that, once again, Forza2.0, you're stretching the facts to fit your opinion. If you take it any further, I'm afraid it does qualify as "Asshattery," and I will report it to the moderation/administration.

I don't want this to fall into hell again.
 
Jim Prower
and can we leave it at that? I read the review BlowDog made as well, and I came to the same conclusion: that, once again, Forza2.0, you're stretching the facts to fit your opinion. If you take it any further, I'm afraid it does qualify as "Asshattery," and I will report it to the moderation/administration.

I don't want this to fall into hell again.
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Dont act all high and mighty with me as if you have authority around here. Go tell some more people how much better your nova is than inferior mini's.

And what exactly have I stretched the truth on to fit my opinion? The only opinion I posted is that blowdog will give a better review than a car jorno once he takes delivery of his GTR. I never knew that it was not his car or that he had even posted a review based on another owners GTR.

I dont care how many miles a car journalist drives in all sorts of different cars as matter of fact they can never give me the full picture of what its like to live with a car day to day. Why else do car jorno's resort to long term tests? So they can give us full perspective of what its like to live with that car day to day.

The problem with mags like evo etc is that they are too performance orientated reviews. I want to read more about real life situations. I want to read about how the cars are how 99% of them are actually driven by real owners. Car jornos most of the time miss a car's hidden talents because they dont get to drive it day to day. Hell Im still learning stuff about my car and forming opinions on it all the time.

Now im a gas engineer and all of the men who have been in the trade for 30+ yrs all say that the customer knows more about their appliance than the engineer will. And the same goes for car owners vs car jornos.

Blowdog is not the owner of the GT-R in that review he posted.
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I know that, I never even knew that that review existed so I have not even commeted on it.

most owners can't accept that there are flaws to their cars, simply because they don't have enough seat time in the other cars out there and they're horribly, narcissistically in love with their own machines.
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And then there are the honest owners, of which there are hundred around. We dont have many on this forum as most people here either dont drive or drive something thats not exactly sporting.

Or are you waiting for the entire Porsche-Audi rah-rah crowd to actually get on their knees before it before grudgingly admitting that it "might" be good?
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Did I say that it was bad?

Many car owners don't drive as long and as far as journalists do.
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But many do.

With a 60:40 weight balance, the RS4 just shouldn't be good
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Take note of the evo's weight distribution. Hell do you know how many cars have a weight distribution of around 60:40?

Sportauto have a whole list of cars weight distribution and it lead to many surprises.


Laptimes from the latest Car magazine issue:

* Nissan GTR - 82.10 seconds with a top speed of 109.7mph
* Porsche 911 turbo - 83.10 seconds with a top speed of 114mph
* Audi R8 - 83.83 seconds with a top speed of 107.9mph
* BMW M3 - 85.58 seconds with a top speed of 106.2 mph
 
forza2.0
Dont act all high and mighty with me as if you have authority around here. Go tell some more people how much better your nova is than inferior mini's.
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Um... that was uncalled for, and why start talking crap like that? Just quit it.


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* Nissan GTR - 82.10 seconds with a top speed of 109.7mph
* Porsche 911 turbo - 83.10 seconds with a top speed of 114mph
* Audi R8 - 83.83 seconds with a top speed of 107.9mph
* BMW M3 - 85.58 seconds with a top speed of 106.2 mph
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What car magazine? What track? More info please.
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
erm....
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Sorry, I thought it was a generalization. And I never heard of "Car Magazine" I usually just read the online articles here and other places.

But what track was this timed at? I'm surprised how well the GT-R is fairing up with the competition. Nissan really made the GT-R a serious contender. Kudos 👍
 

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