Wheee... I'm away for a long road trip, I come back, and you're still at it.
My money is on tires. Lets get some super high grip stuff on the porsche and z06 and redo the test. I reckon the Z06 would come first and the porsche being near enough identical to the GTR. We need sportauto to test the GTR using some michelin rubber so arguments can be settled once and for all.
In the chris harris test the GT3 was actually handicapped due to the conditions which does not suit the tyres it was using on the day.
It's acceptable then, to agree that the GT3 is handicapped by cold weather? Then you'll agree, mayhaps, that the GT-R's track time, set on a cold November day wasn't the best conditions for it, either?
See... if Nissan has, by some trick of alchemy, put R-compounds as stock on the GT-R, then conditions that handicap the Michelin Pilot Sport Cups should also prove to be a handicap for them.
And why should they test the GT-R on Michelins? Many performance cars are designed to match the tires they come with. Grippier or looser tires may upset the car's balance or change the way it goes into a corner... more body roll or less of a neutral plateau before oversteer or understeer set in... maybe the gearing will be too short or too long for maximum corner traction, etcetera... which is why testers often insist on using OEM spec rubber.
Bad for Porsche in this case, but then, if you really want this to happen the way you want it... why not put the Bridgestones on the Porsche? And if it doesn't work, quote my paragraph above as your excuse.
Lookey here the GTR's super grippy tires get another mention.
since it comes with them, they're not extra option worth of gazillion $$$$. Just drop it. you didn't win this last time, you won't win it now.
Oh.. +1 on Greycap... again, Michelin Pilot Sport Cups =/= wet spaghetti. Those are awesome tires. I just had a ride in an M3 equipped with them, and they're downright lairy, they are... very hard to break traction.
-Yes it has more power
-Better traction is arguable due to the tires but I will give you that one. The porsches are regarded to have alot of traction often giving the audi quattros a run for their money in snow speed testing done by the german car mags. It will be interesting to se how the GTR does in the snow once the germans get their hands on it next winter.
Snow? Really? Since it wins on the track and you can't find any side-by-side testing that says it doesn't, you're waiting for the snow tests now? Wow. Let's see... I really want to know how an overpowered vehicle riding millimeters off the ground works as a snow-plow... Okaaaaay...
-Better brakes? Dont make me laugh. Its widely known that GTR didnt stick ceramic discs on the car to save money and the only reason it outbraked the porsche was due to stickier rubber. Take the porsche and GTR round the 'ring for 10 laps and brake fade will soon set in for the portly GTR.
While one or two writers have noted that the brakes start to get grumbly after a few laps, the absence of ceramic disks doesn't mean it can't brake as hard (given the same tires)... it just means the brakes won't last over as many laps. For all we know, the brakes could be better at shedding speed... but they're just not ceramic.
-Better tires? Yes it does, how about giving kudos to the tire manufacturer instead of nissan for that one. Guy down the road has stuck those bridgestones on his evo and he says they are amazing.
And let's give credit to Michelin for making the Porsche 911 GT3 nearly unbeatable on the racetrack for so long... shall we?
- Better suspension geometry? No not really considering even though it has loads more power it merely beats much less powerful cars such as the R8 and GT3 around most tracks. Its still slower than the GT3 around the 'ring though.
So now, we'll admit it beats them... but it
merely beats them? Much time on track is made in maintaining speed through corners and through predictable handling. And I don't care how sticky your tires are, if you've got an absolute porker of a car that can actually handle, then the suspension has got to be pretty good.
If all it took to go around a track fast was power and grip, and loads of it... the Corvette Z06 would be faster than the GT3 around the racetrack instead of just matching it.
As for the ring time... well, Greycap covered it.
-Better gearbox? Yes it has, but the facelift porsche is getting a dual clutch gearbox like DSG and a power boost so that advantage will soon be gone.
And you're still not admitting that, for now, the Nissan is, at least, faster.
Better? Better is a subjective word... you can keep saying that in your opinion, the 911 is better overall... but nitpicking at empirical tests that show it isn't better against the clock is just... shall we say... desperate.
I personally don't give a rat's ass if the Nissan is faster than a 911 or if the next 911 is faster than the Nissan... I don't have any fanboyish pride to defend, like some people. I'm just satisfied in knowing that they're both really fast, really trick cars... and, oh, make mine a "slow" BMW M3... just because I like the way it looks and sounds. But then I've said that already... the same way you've regurgitated all your arguments against the GTR, while ignoring the fact that the same arguments apply to your beloved 911.
j/k
