2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery
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Joey D
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Edmunds Insideline took a GT-R for a road trip around California. You can read the article here:
http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightli...RRoadTrip?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1.*
Some pretty cool photos in there as well.
http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightli...RRoadTrip?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1.*
Some pretty cool photos in there as well.
McLaren
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Each of those first 5 definitions can apply to a safety device in a car.
It brings a sense of security, but that's it. Having AWD does not mean you're safer than I am in the Corvette. What you're talking about heavily depends upon a driver. In the snow or rain, I can be safer than you, just as safe as you, or less. It all depends upon how each of us controls the car. You can drive an AWD car and be in an unsafe situation than the guy next to you. The only thing about the AWD though, is that you're a bit more secure on the road.
In actual terms of safety, though, the AWD does no good except help get through a condition better. If AWD made a car safer than RWD, every AWD car would have a higher safety rating than its RWD competitor. This isn't true. If it was, Lamborghinis would be safer than every Ferrari & nearly every Porsche rival. In reality, they aren't. Those RWD Porsche Carreras are safer than the Ferraris and Lamborghinis. Now, I'm not saying the latter aren't safe, it's just there are actual tests that show a Carrera is a safer vehicle. Now, the latter could be tested, but it's pretty much a given they may not be as safe due to the fact they're sports cars and they have to sacrifice things (in fact, Ferrari was told by the US govt. about their airbags). Then there's the building cost of them.
Now, you can argue the GT-R is safer b/c of its AWD, but at the end of the day, a Crash Test Rating is what determines how safe a car really is because crash testing is what a Safety Rating is based on. Yes, the AWD might help prevent a small fraction of the damage, but that won't make the GT-R safer because it could possible have a poor crumple zone in the front next to the Corvette. Because of these factors, that is why we have a crash test rating to test all parts of a car's safety devices.
And to put hypothetically, see it this way. What if the ratings determine the AWD helps more than the RWD. Now, what if the ratings determine the front & side impact collisions are better than the GT-R? Do you still classify the GT-R as a safer vehicle even if the ratings say the Nissan has a worse collision impact than the Corvette?
See, I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but until both the Z06 & the GT-R are put through the Crash Test study, you simply just can't say the GT-R is safer because of its AWD because a crash at 60 may leave more damage due to the bumper being poorer than the Corvette's (again, hypothetically).
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The problem is I never said AWD grants you 100% safety. The point you are trying to convey across is just stating the obvious. Again, I also never said anything about airbags in the first place nor did I state the outcome of the crash. I only said that I would rather drive an AWD in messy weather condition over RWD anyday since most of the people would agree. The point of AWD is to REDUCE the chance of swerving away and crashing. Thus, it is safer DURING driving (NOT during the crash SINCE I do not know any details about airbags and other specifics).
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Just saw this same exact gtr (with the bugs on the bumper) at Sacramento Raceway tonight. It had 12.7 on the window I was like yeah right! I didn't believe it I had to see it with my own eyes. So I waited an hour freezing my ass off watching mustangs and civics buzz down the strip. Somehow the lanes got switched and the mustangs and civics got another run. People were getting impatient some were even shouting "let the skyline run!". Finally the gtr pulled up and a crowd gathered. It all happened so fast and my eyes were watery all I remember was seeing 12.0 on the board. Or maybe it was 12.8? Still amazing though!
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As for safety... I'm kind of on the side of "Performance car? Safety? Pssht.."
Performance cars are agile enough that in normal driving, you aren't going to have issues... unless your idea of "normal" driving is goosing the throttle on a Viper on a wet corner... and they're responsive enough that you can "catch" any situation as it develops.
(My aunt commutes to work in a Viper, mind you...)
It's always the "nut behind the wheel" that determines how unsafe it is to drive a car hard. I've never had issues on track compared to other guys (even running the same car) because I drive "clean". You can push any car to 9/10ths without issue if you drive properly... but I guess the great thing about the GT-R is once you're past what's comfortable, it flatters you... making you look better than you are.
For some purists, this isn't ideal (personally, I'm the kind who likes all the assists off)... but you can't argue with results. Any system sophisticated enough to make even experienced race drivers go faster than they can in cars that should be faster is really something.
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By the way... I received an infraction for my previous post. Deservedly. I've been having a bad week (too much work + van got rear ended on a mountain road + car still in shop having work done) and I was feeling mean, but my language was inexcusable, nonetheless. Sorry, guys. Won't do it again.
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On a completely unrelated note... I'm here at the local launch of the new A4 3.2 Quattro... and man, is this interior be-yoo-ti-ful.
Performance cars are agile enough that in normal driving, you aren't going to have issues... unless your idea of "normal" driving is goosing the throttle on a Viper on a wet corner... and they're responsive enough that you can "catch" any situation as it develops.
(My aunt commutes to work in a Viper, mind you...)
It's always the "nut behind the wheel" that determines how unsafe it is to drive a car hard. I've never had issues on track compared to other guys (even running the same car) because I drive "clean". You can push any car to 9/10ths without issue if you drive properly... but I guess the great thing about the GT-R is once you're past what's comfortable, it flatters you... making you look better than you are.
For some purists, this isn't ideal (personally, I'm the kind who likes all the assists off)... but you can't argue with results. Any system sophisticated enough to make even experienced race drivers go faster than they can in cars that should be faster is really something.
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By the way... I received an infraction for my previous post. Deservedly. I've been having a bad week (too much work + van got rear ended on a mountain road + car still in shop having work done) and I was feeling mean, but my language was inexcusable, nonetheless. Sorry, guys. Won't do it again.
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On a completely unrelated note... I'm here at the local launch of the new A4 3.2 Quattro... and man, is this interior be-yoo-ti-ful.
McLaren
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Then don't say the GT-R is safer. You don't know that because AWD does not mean it is. Driving with AWD does not mean you're safer than a RWD. That comes down to an owner. 👎
Joey D
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You still don't understand that it comes down to tires. In snowy weather a RWD vehicle with winter tires will have more control then an AWD vehicle on summer only tires. I'm guessing the GT-R runs on performance summer only tires, but I don't know.
I know this thread should be in the AUTOS section but I think GT5P players need to see it as well.
Hey everyone, Recently Me and my friend play GT5P (Japanese version)
We came upon the GTR and told me that the creators OVER did the car and that it handles way too good and that it has way too good of speed in game then in real life.
Well I had to disagree with him
I also noticed there are few people here that still argue about that
So I found these two videos, really simple Comaparision of M3, 911 GT3, and the GT-R
It really gives you Idea Why the M3 is so slow compared to GT-R in game and in real world.
Enjoy
Hey everyone, Recently Me and my friend play GT5P (Japanese version)
We came upon the GTR and told me that the creators OVER did the car and that it handles way too good and that it has way too good of speed in game then in real life.
Well I had to disagree with him
I also noticed there are few people here that still argue about that
So I found these two videos, really simple Comaparision of M3, 911 GT3, and the GT-R
It really gives you Idea Why the M3 is so slow compared to GT-R in game and in real world.
Enjoy
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Just read an article on the GTR on EVO Magazine, it out-ran a Z06 on the 1/4 mile, it out-handled an R8 on the twists, and it out-paced a GT3 on track. The new GTR is an all around killer. Nissan has proven that they have done their homework, and they have done it well.
Shame GT5 wont have the GTR's main rival (Porsche) so that we can compare them in game ourselves.
Cool videos.
Shame GT5 wont have the GTR's main rival (Porsche) so that we can compare them in game ourselves.
Cool videos.
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Uh, except give the AWD car winter tires and then bingo. I think you guys are implying that I THINK "awd > over anything" which isn't true. When I say AWD is safer than RWD, some of the conditions need to be met first; which means tires need to be the same.. ETC to begin the test.
Who in the right mind would say summer tires would beat winter tires in winter conditions? Only a person with no logic would think so.
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If you define "SAFE" as the qualities which helps the driver avoid accidents in snow or rain conditions, then you are primarily talking about BRAKING and the ability to TURN WHILE BRAKING. To a lesser degree, stability and predictably when performing said actions.
AWD has no inherent advantage in either of those situations. All its advantages apply when you are hitting the pedal on the right, not the middle one.
Now if you want to define "SAFE" as the qualities which help you up a steep driveway, then I would agree. If you want to define it as a quality which reduces the penalties of not possessing any sense or throttle control, then I would agree.
But that's not what I think of when I see the word SAFE.
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AWD has no inherent advantage in either of those situations. All its advantages apply when you are hitting the pedal on the right, not the middle one.
Now if you want to define "SAFE" as the qualities which help you up a steep driveway, then I would agree. If you want to define it as a quality which reduces the penalties of not possessing any sense or throttle control, then I would agree.
But that's not what I think of when I see the word SAFE.
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cool vids Nox
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Lol believe me im a big GTR/nissan fanboy. I've seen all the r35 vids and all the aftermarket parts out so far. One day I know I'll buy an r35 used.
For now I have a 350z with single turbo kit, volks, and some other performance upgrades.
I dont think I could ever tune a car that isnt nissan. Well see though...
For now I have a 350z with single turbo kit, volks, and some other performance upgrades.
I dont think I could ever tune a car that isnt nissan. Well see though...
///M-Spec
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That's good, I'm glad you agree. But I think saying AWD is inherently SAFER than other drivetrain layouts is misleading and an oversimplification.
Mind you, this is coming from someone who is looking at buying an AWD car (and only an AWD car) for his wife soon.
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Lol believe me im a big GTR/nissan fanboy. I've seen all the r35 vids and all the aftermarket parts out so far. One day I know I'll buy an r35 used.
For now I have a 350z with single turbo kit, volks, and some other performance upgrades.
I dont think I could ever tune a car that isnt nissan. Well see though...
nice man got any pics of it? 350z's are one of my faves!
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My biggest problem is the removal of a clutch on the R35. Sure a computer is better at it then human. But isnt that part of mastering a car?
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The bearded guy in the first video kept calling the GT-R a Skyline.
Edit: AND in the 2nd video. To Autocar: SACK HIM.
it IS a skyline in its soul.. R32->R33->R34->R35 "GT-R"
i dont care that they flipped the name and are calling something else now a skyline which bears much less resemblance to previous skylines than the "GT-R"
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Heres some pics of my gauges and front mount put in to see how it will look
and heres the turbo and new exhaust due on in less than a month.
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Rims are volk GTs 9.5/10.5, tires toyo t1R 255/285, I think im gonna need racing compound tires when the single turbo goes in because im gonna have 0 traction in the first 2 gears, and I don't wanna spin tires in 3rd. lol
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The bearded guy in the first video kept calling the GT-R a Skyline.
Edit: AND in the 2nd video. To Autocar: SACK HIM.
the bearded guy has a name...chris harris....and he is widely known as being an exelent presentor(watch his other movies on utube etc etc)and not a bad driver as well.....and allthough the car isnt officially called skyline ,i myself also call the car that way cause for me it is the next model skyline...weather its called that or not
spyrrari.latest vid from autocar...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.aspx?AR=231915&CT=V
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