2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery
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Thanks man, fixed.
"Not an HR"
Nope no HR here, good thing because HR's have 11.3 compression compared to 10.3 (or so) so the older ones are a LITTLE more reliable with boost (still not very reliable to boost a Z but I have extra money incase I have to rebuild the engine)
This single turbo will give me 400 at the rear wheels, If I have to rebuild then ill have a good 550hp.
And yes that turbo is expensive, but im actually having it upgraded for 500$ to be watercooled as well as its oilcooling. Looks cool with two steel braided tubes goin to the turbo. But not only is the turbo kit expensive, but its supporting mods (gauges, EMS, clutch and flywheel)
I already have well over 10k spent on my Z and thats just really the begining. Big brake kits start at $3500 for the z. Ugh everything is so expensive. Just another 10k and ill be done....(unless I blow the engine, then it makes it 20k) lol Im living Gran Turismo style
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While the videos are great and I like that you what to share them with as wide an audience as you can, we already have a huge thread on the GT-R, and believe me from a moderating point of view its already enough fun keeping that one in check. We don't need another on the same subject, threads merged.
When you know as much about cars, motorsport, driving and racing as Chris Harris then you can say sack him and people might listen. Until then it aways help to know exactly who you are having a go at, otherwise you can end up looking a bit silly.The bearded guy in the first video kept calling the GT-R a Skyline.
Edit: AND in the 2nd video. To Autocar: SACK HIM.
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You do not have a valid opinion though, because you are basing your "opinion" on the misunderstanding of the word "Safe". In the automotive world, Safety is defined by how protective a car is in an accident.
AWD giving you advantage on a steep driveway does not mean you are safer than in a RWD car. As I said before, there is so much more that comes into play in how a safe a car is than its drivetrain.
I may be stating the obvious, but you're still not getting the understanding of "Safe" in a car.
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I would ask the same thing, myself...
...how do we know the Porsche is more fun? But then again, what constitutes "fun to drive" is mostly a personal thing. Even within one publication, Evo, for instance... we find editors disagreeing on which car is more fun when you put two or three cars together... especially in their Best Performance Car Of The Year tests... While, as a driving purist, I would frown upon anything that filters out the experience of driving and actually does the driving for you, there is some fun to be had in holding ridiculous powerslides and going terribly fast on track... still... the whole computer-aided thing is what keeps the GT-R off the top of my totem pole... (that's probably where I'd put a more "organic" machine, like the GT3RS or even the cracking new Pagani Zonda F)Hard to believe, huh? Considering I've been defending the GT-R for the past hundred plus pages... well... whatever...
Another thread merge? But into "Car Talk"? Wow... this thread is almost as controversial as the car itself...
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I really DO think Autocar should sack Chris Harris... I mean, imagine... he can't even drive an F1 car without spinning out... twice... in just a few laps...
...see? No talent. But seriously... a good, fairly level-headed and just writer. He gives kudos where kudos is due, and he does have very good observations written in his articles and reviews... and he obviously does know how to drive... and drive fast.But if they ever fire him, man, do I want his job...
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Yeah, a gt3 or zonda F, those cars are definitely in the same class. Not.
So can you think of a car you "think" would be more fun to drive for 70k? People say the GTR is "easy" to drive. Its not because its boring, its because the car is a powerhouse around corners, and it handles better than you would expect it to. Not the cars fault it corners so well. I hardly doubt a z06 would be as fun to drive as a twin turbo 7 speed gtr around some road courses. Like you said though, its all opinion, just keep the competition fair if you want to make a point.
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I could name several that cost tens of thousands less:
- Mazda MX-5 Miata
- Honda S2000 CR
- Lotus Elise
- Mazda RX-8
- Ford Mustang GT (no, I'm not kidding)
- VW GTI
...among others...
Just because its expensive doesn't make it automatically awesome. I'd be willing to bet there are folks out there who'd rather have the Z than the GT-R as well.
(I'd be on the fence on that one)
Per what would be faster for the money, its pretty much a race between the GT-R and the Z06 and a few home-brew cars that you've gotta do yourself (Superperformance Coupe comes to mind). So yeah, they're pretty unique.
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Sounds like you don't think AWD cars are fun! lol
I have a 350z and its so fun to drive and keep the ass from squirming but if I had a day on a road course I would pic a GTR over everything except maybe a porsche gt3 or other exotics. GTR is just a monster and cornering twice as fast as some of those cars you posted you better effin believe it would be huge fun to drive!
Don't knock it till ya try it.
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Speed doesn't = fun. I'm sure the GT-R is a very fun car to drive but to state that it can corner faster than another car does not equal the statment that the GT-R is more fun to drive than the other car. It might be, but cornering speed doesn't mean it is.
The MX-5 is supposed to be one of the most fun cars to drive around as is the S2000, sure they arn't as quick as AGT-R, not near but they'll put a bloody big smile on your face anyway.
The MX-5 is supposed to be one of the most fun cars to drive around as is the S2000, sure they arn't as quick as AGT-R, not near but they'll put a bloody big smile on your face anyway.
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And thats the whole point... If you're buying a performance car, I want it to actually "feel" fast, not just tell me that its "fast." Granted, that idea kinda gets thrown out the window to some extent with my preference towards AMG products, but even then, they'll kill you, and thats why I love 'em.
The GT-R, although fast, just doesn't look like any fun to me. That being said, I don't think the 997T looks like fun either. I personally think the AWD spoils the nature from time-to-time. Granted, I get excited over the idea of the R32, but I'd rather have a GTI most days.
Meh...
I'll have a V8 hanging out front and the power going out back. That always keeps me happy...
The GT-R, although fast, just doesn't look like any fun to me. That being said, I don't think the 997T looks like fun either. I personally think the AWD spoils the nature from time-to-time. Granted, I get excited over the idea of the R32, but I'd rather have a GTI most days.
Meh...
I'll have a V8 hanging out front and the power going out back. That always keeps me happy...
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If I ever get the chance to buy a fast car, I'd want to use it on a daily basis. The reason is simple: I do not buy such a car to see it in a garage for most of the year and then get it out for a bunch of drives on good summer days. If I had such a car, I'd want to "live it".
On that basis, I would need a car that does work every day, has a fair bit of comfort left and can do anything I need to do in daily life. Like the GT-R.
On that basis, I would need a car that does work every day, has a fair bit of comfort left and can do anything I need to do in daily life. Like the GT-R.
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I find it funny how everyone assumes the GTR is not fun to drive.
Hey, ever tought of turning off the electronic aids? Then I'll be fun.
Do this in your Z06 (do they EVEN have traction control?) and you'll get killed going to the liquor store while turning a 30 kph bend, ridiculous.
Hey, ever tought of turning off the electronic aids? Then I'll be fun.
Do this in your Z06 (do they EVEN have traction control?) and you'll get killed going to the liquor store while turning a 30 kph bend, ridiculous.
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I wouldn't think the GT-R would be fun to drive, it isn't light. Lightness typically equals fun, Miata, Elise, Exige, etc. I've driven Vettes before and while they are cool I wouldn't classify them as something really fun to drive.
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I never once said you had to accept my opinion nor did I say it was based on the masses. Lightness typically equals fun for me and I'm willing to bet many people think like me. I honestly can not think of a more perfect "fun to drive" car then a Lotus Elise.
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Its an opinion that I have, yes, only an opinion... But I feel like its justified. I like the more "natural" cars that are out there on the road, but sadly, they're a dying breed. I continually get the impression that the GT-R will feel heavy and isolated, and personally, I'm not looking for something like that.
Again, an opinion. Something that as I recall, has been backed-up by some magazines.
Yeah, the Z06 has traction control. I believe there is "on," "competition," and "off" settings. Again, I may be mistaken. My experiences (overall) with the C6 Z06 have been limited.
That being said, the Z06 (or any RWD car with a decent amount of power) is going to be just as easy to drive with traction control off as a GT-R would be with it on. If you know what you're doing, where is the problem?
Furthermore, whats more exciting than being inches away from death? Clarkson hit the nail on the head when he had the C63, its the only way you'll ever feel alive.
If people want to feel "safe" in their cars with AWD, sedan-derived platforms, over-programed transmissions and suspensions, by all means go for it. It just isn't my thing at all.
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You see, here's my problem. Sure it's an opinion, but trying to assume EVERYONE agrees with it is where I disagree. The way you put is as if everybody had to agree.
Honestly, if I want to scare myself, a car is one of the last thing I'll use because I'll most likely scare others in the process. Remember, we're talking about street cars here. Track time will be very limited, if you got to it every weekend you're one lucky man.
Clarkson has a freaking abandonned airport to play with the cars, I'd agree I'd want the more beastly, raw and "fun" by your definition vehicle, however remember real life is not TOP GEAR and then you'll realize your opinion is one sided, backed by feeling, impressions, and recalls of magazine articles.
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Yeah, a gt3 or zonda F, those cars are definitely in the same class. Not.
So can you think of a car you "think" would be more fun to drive for 70k? People say the GTR is "easy" to drive. Its not because its boring, its because the car is a powerhouse around corners, and it handles better than you would expect it to. Not the cars fault it corners so well. I hardly doubt a z06 would be as fun to drive as a twin turbo 7 speed gtr around some road courses. Like you said though, its all opinion, just keep the competition fair if you want to make a point.
What I said is that the GT-R is not at the top of my Totem pole... but it definitely is on the totem pole. See... anything that allows you to hold a car sideways for a ridiculously long period of time is a good thing (learned this in the similarly over-brained BMW M5). But in driving various new BMWs, Mazdas and various other vehicles... I've found that what constitutes a good handling or exceptionally fast car doesn't always make for a car that feels "natural" to drive.
On this account, within the price range and on today's market, I suppose a Lotus Elise would be the closest we could get to that "horse-and-rider-as-one" ethos. Not even the legendary Mazda Miata has escaped the foibles of electric steering and its lack of natural feedback. I don't doubt that the GT-R will be extraordinarily sharp and tremendously quick, it's just that my priorities are a bit different.
I'm not on the bandwagon that thinks the GT-R will feel heavy and isolated... like you've said... what is that opinion based on? None of us have driven the car... and from feedback from others, apparently the GT-R doesn't feel heavy in most cases... and the mass is only noticeable as a limiting factor in corner grip on track... and definitely not isolated or numb. But there is the undercurrent noting that the GT3 still feels the more immediate, natural car, despite being slower, overall. And it's the idea of an organic car that appeals to me... I've driven a lot of extraordinarily competent new cars in the past year, but it's always a treat to get back into my old car and drive it home... steering, throttle, brakes and gearshift unfiltered by electrical connections... and though possibly not as competent as newer systems, at least they're more communicative.
But then, that's my opinion. And that's all it is. And given that that "organic" theme is slowly dying out, I can think of a thousand worse new cars to drive than the GT-R.
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Myself as well. I think that afternoon with the '87 Carrera ruined me for life... I want to be able to talk to my car, and it to be able to talk back. Its not that the GT-R wouldn't be able to do it (like you said, I don't even think any of us have sat in one, much less driven one), but I get the feeling it would be communicating in a language that I don't speak.
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I don't mean to imply that everyone should agree with me, but certainly, I do have a hard time rationalizing the thought process of those who don't want that organic experience. Maybe I'm a bit too "old school," I don't know, but its just the way I am.
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On the point of Top Gear being a show and having performance limited to a track, I whole-heartedly disagree...
Have you ever driven down a twisty, complicated, otherwise driver-oriented road with a few different cars? We've got a few roads that come to mind in the area, and the question I always have to ask myself is what would make it more fun... Sure, the power and "security" of the GT-R would be great, but why not take it a step further and feel a bit more "alive" with something else? That doesn't mean that I'm drifting or quadrupling the speed limits at all times, but certainly, there are feeling associated even with spirited driving that definitely show that not all cars are created equal.
People can have their GT-Rs, thats fine by me, but I prefer otherwise. I like the GT-R, I think its a nice car, its just not my cup of tea. Thats all.
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rice boys have moved in,ditched the tyres too.
580bhp from an exhaust
580bhp from an exhaust
