200pt A-spec races

[JParker]

I recall a thread I read months ago, just a couple of days after GT4 was released. It was discussing Aspec points system and it's possible use. One point someone made that I believe makes good sense. Originally GT4 was supposed to have online play, but it was pulled at the last minute. I believe Aspec was a competition factor for online play, and instead of pulling it PD left it in. It has some use in the game, but as we all know there are many races that achieving 200 points is impossible. Be it that getting a car that is low enough in power in many of the manufacturer races or when lining up against AI that range from an 11hp to an 400+hp car. We can all drive ourselves crazy trying to figure this out. The system is flawed in it's current implementation. It's fun to see how many points we can get. But without a realistic, this is what can be achieved, it will be an endless topic.

 

[oceantech]

No - its not endless.

We have already calculated a theoretical maximum of 113,100 A-spec points based on 200 A-spec points per eligible race and 250 A-spec points in the challenge races.

We also know that it is impossible to get 200 A-spec points in some races. This thread is a way of pooling our collective data to find those races where 200 A-spec points cannot be achieved as well as identifying fun 200 A-spec point challenges where they can be achieved.

For example -

The Isuzu races appear to be limited to less than 200 A-spec points - no matter what car and tuning options you pick, you still can't get the 200 points.

On the other hand, I ran some great races over the weekend in the 'Vette,'Vette,'Vette series using the '54 corvette and was able to win and get 200 A-spec points per race.

I'm also playing with some other series as well (more data later, I'm at work now and don't have my notes).

Happy A-spec'ing

 

[Hun200kmh]

A quick question, that only applies to races where you must pit at least once:

if we enter a race with N tyres to get as many A-Spec points as possible and if we change the tyres in the 1st pitstop, does it affect the A-Spec points you get in the end (if you win that race, of course)?

 

[oceantech]

A quick question, that only applies to races where you must pit at least once:

if we enter a race with N tyres to get as many A-Spec points as possible and if we change the tyres in the 1st pitstop, does it affect the A-Spec points you get in the end (if you win that race, of course)?

great question - this would be fun to experiment with. If your doing this remember that the A-spec points appear to be governed only by what's on the front of your car - so a neat A-spec trick is to use combo's like

Normal tires: N1's on the front, N3's on the back ==> same A-spec points as both N1's

and for the next level up:

hard tires on the front, soft on the back ==> same A-spec points as both hard.

If anyone does this experiment I would love to know which car, what track and the difference in A-spec points obtained.

 

[Mazda_787B]

All five Speedster Cup races are 200 a-spec points a piece in a stock Speedster NA or Turbo. By stock I mean oil change and nothing else.

And if someone says they won one of these races, I'll need to see a video and some kind of proof their car was stock. I couldn't even catch up to the fifth place car with a stock Speedster Turbo! IMHO, these five races, especially Infineon and Seattle, are some of the most challenging in the game.

Also, thanks for starting this thread. I like racing, not blowing by the AI cars before the first turn and winning by a mile, not, as Old Geezer so aptly puts it, bringing a gun to a knife fight. So, I'm beginning to pay attention to a-spec points as a means for keeping the race competitive, and, if folks respond and post, this thread may help me to do this more efficiently.

Don't use the Speedster Turbo. Use the other Speedster model. After full upgrades it has a little less HP and torque but weighs around 110kg/275lbs less IIRC.

As for the A-Spec points thanks to all for the info. I thought I'd take the 1886 Mercedes into the Formula GT just to see how many A-Spec points it was worth for 1 race. Alas, you can't use that car in the events.

 

[Deondre]

This is BS, I made this EXACT thread on the 14th and mine wasn't approved but THIS ONE WAS?

 

[route_66]

great question - this would be fun to experiment with. If your doing this remember that the A-spec points appear to be governed only by what's on the front of your car - so a neat A-spec trick is to use combo's like

Normal tires: N1's on the front, N3's on the back ==> same A-spec points as both N1's

and for the next level up:

hard tires on the front, soft on the back ==> same A-spec points as both hard.

If anyone does this experiment I would love to know which car, what track and the difference in A-spec points obtained.

Ok, I've been doing some tire vs A-spec tests and found some interesting stuff:-

First, I used a stock Taurus SHO (238hp) at Midfield in the FF cup.
I changed through all combinations of N Tires and retried to make sure the field stayed the same:

N1/N1 -130pts
N1/N2 - 130pts
N1/N3 - 130pts
N2/N1 - 108pts
N2/N2 - 108pts
N2/N3 - 108pts
N3/N1 - 87pts
N3/N2 - 87pts
N3/N3 - 87pts

So, only the front tires counted for determining A-Spec points, mixed tires got the same result as the Front tires.
Then I tried a FR RX-8 (210hp) at the Sunday cup to see if the drivetrain made any difference and..........nope, An FR car still gets A-spec points based on the Front Tire compound. Useful to know.

Finally I took the Taurus out at race 2 of FF cup (Suzuka East 3 laps) to see if you could change tires in the pits and still get the points for the worse tires.

Starting on N1/N1 no pit. - 129pts
Starting on N1/N1 pit after one lap change to S3/S3 - 129pts
Starting on S3/S3 no pit - 49pts

So you can see, the A-spec points offered at the start are what you'll get even if you change tires mid race - hmmmm....useful for enduros - start on N1's...offered 200pts....do a lap.....change to R3's.....thrash everything. Bit cheap. By the way, pitting in a three lap race and then winning is not easy. Took me about 15 attempts to make up 30 secs in 2 laps!

EDIT:// This only works changing from Normal to Sports tires - you can't pit and change N1's for R1's even if you have both. Start a racecar on N tires and you're stuck on them!

 

[route_66]

This is BS, I made this EXACT thread on the 14th and mine wasn't approved but THIS ONE WAS?

I made this thread on the 11th. It just took a while to get approved. Also does it really matter who's name is at the top? Don't be so petty.

 

[boost654]

I dont really care much for A-Spec points but heres something I found.

If you're good at Seattle or Paris Opera heres some handy points. Do a family cup race. I used a BMW M coupe maxed out plus Nos and soft racing tyres. Set the difficulty to 10.

Now, you will be set against some top cars but once your car is set up good and you're good at the track, you'll walk the race and get 200 aspec points. I've done this many times testing that particular car at Seattle, I'm not sure if the points accumulate. Again, I've no real interest in this but I'll check it out later.

 

[oceantech]

nice to see this so systematically confirmed - well done, this is a trick that will be very useful on those long enduro's.

as for who posted when - I think what we are seeing is a change in understanding about A-spec points. At first people believed they were useless and there was no interest - hence the lack of thread approval.

Now we are seeing the real beauty of the idea and how exciting it can make every race - more people are coming around and hence the renewed interest as people understand them more.

I have ~45,000 A-spec points and the highest number I have seen so far is around 75,000. Any others?

 

[oceantech]

I dont really care much for A-Spec points but heres something I found.

If you're good at Seattle or Paris Opera heres some handy points. Do a family cup race. I used a BMW M coupe maxed out plus Nos and soft racing tyres. Set the difficulty to 10.

Now, you will be set against some top cars but once your car is set up good and you're good at the track, you'll walk the race and get 200 aspec points. I've done this many times testing that particular car at Seattle, I'm not sure if the points accumulate. Again, I've no real interest in this but I'll check it out later.

Good fun - but no, the points don't accumulate. 200 A-spec points for ALL family cup races, so your done with these events, now its time to try some others.

 

[Deondre]

45,000 A Spec points? You got proof? Otherwise.....BS

 

[route_66]

I currently have 52000 pts at 51% completion (this is my second save) - If I can keep it up, 100000+ is on the cards, how's everyone else doing? Anyone think 110000+ Is looking likely?

A few more 200 pointers:

Audi S4, N2 tires, 200 ballast vs Schwarzwald Liga B - Big power Mercs mean big points.

Opel speedster Turbo, S2 tires, 260hp (Stage 1 turbo + Exhaust) vs Race of Turbo Sports -
Need a little weight to get 200 unless you're against the RX-7 Bathurst and Fuji 80s is tricky (need a few more corners!)

Suzuki Capuchino (sp?) 87hp, N3 tires vs World Compact Cup - Fiddle with the ballast and don't try it against the Clio, but against the Micra and Toyota ist it's in the bag.

 

[route_66]

45,000 A Spec points? You got proof? Otherwise.....BS

Proof? 55748 pts 53.9% Completion. If i can do it I'm sure Oceantech and others can too.

EDIT: I do all my testing/searching for big points cars on my other save as this one doesn't have much money on it and I want to finish this save without using B-Spec. This is why my Win/Loss ratio is a lot higher than it would have been, coz entering and dropping out of those races trying to find a competitive car has knackered it on my other Card.

 

[Deondre]

sorry, I missed a '0' I thought I read 450,000....lol
Yeah, I've seen 45k and then some. I think the max cap is at like ~110k?

 

[route_66]

sorry, I missed a '0' I thought I read 450,000....lol
Yeah, I've seen 45k and then some. I think the max cap is at like ~110k?

Fair enough then. The Theoretical max is 113,200 as Oceantech worked out, but we know that it's an impossible target. Guess we'll just have to wait and see how close people can get.................gonna take a while!

Meanwhile at the GTWC, I've given up with the Ford - I'm just not fast enough, however I am getting 200pts for a black R390 Gt1 with no oil change and 50kg ballast - Bonus is that this one can win at Super Speedway!

 

[mkay]

Shiit... I am very bad... only 2700 points after 12.8% of the game completed. I calculated that my average of A-Spec Points / race was 33.7 . Now, I race at a minimum of 70-80 A-Spec Pts.

I think that for GT5, they need to go back to the GT2 "HorsePower" System, where all the races had HP limits, cause otherwise it sucks. Or at least, if you can restart a race without losing (Win/Loss Ratio) it.

 

[Deondre]

Still can't win at the Super Speedway Endurance w/o a race car......any pointers? I tried my FD Spirit and almost 900 HP Supra, but to no avail.....

 

[route_66]

Still can't win at the Super Speedway Endurance w/o a race car......any pointers? I tried my FD Spirit and almost 900 HP Supra, but to no avail.....

Haven't tried this one yet - aren't the opponents group C/LMP's? Maybe the TVR Speed 12 on Race Tires with a wing? Or the Cadillac Cien with wing? Or VW Nardo? There all fast enough to keep up on test course but the corners might be a killer. Failing that try the Gillet Race car, Panoz or Nissan R390, you should be ale to win with those (I think - def with the Nissan) and still get big points. Maybe the Zonda LM? I'll have a go later.

 

[Deondre]

Okay, I'll try the TVR and Zonda test tonight. I'll let you know how it works out in the morning!

 

[boost654]

Good fun - but no, the points don't accumulate. 200 A-spec points for ALL family cup races, so your done with these events, now its time to try some others.

Just tried it after posting. Knew it sounded too good.

 

[Moloch_horridus]

This is a summary of what has been posted so far. If anyone has correction let me know and I will fix for future summaries.

Beginner Hall:
Sunday Cup: Yaris [200 A-spec] 70 hp
FF Challenge: Lupo [200 A-spec]
FF Challenge: Yaris [200 A-spec]; some ballast
FR Challenge: Ginetta G4? [200 A-spec]
4WD Challenge: Dodge RAM 1500 [200 A-spec]
Sport Truck Race: Dodge RAM 1500 [200 A-spec]

Professional Hall
Race of Turbo Sports: Speedster Turbo [200 A-spec] 260 hp; S2 tyres; T1 induction; ? exhaust
Boxer Spirit: Legacy B4 Blitzen [200 A-spec]
World Compact Car Race: Cappuccino [200 A-spec] 87 hp; N3 tyres
Gran Turismo World C'ship: R390 GT1 [200 A-spec] Used; 50 ballast

American Hall
Stars & Stripes: Ford RS200 Road Car [200 A-spec] Stock hp
Muscle Car Grand Prix: Ford RS200 Road Car [200 A-spec] Stock hp

European Hall
British GT Car Cup: Jaguar S-Type R [200 A-spec] Mild + hp
British GT Car Cup: Elise 190 [200 A-spec] Max hp
Schwarzwald League B: Audi S4 [200 A-spec] N2 tyres; 200 ballast

Japanese Hall
Japanese Championship: ASL Garaiya [200 A-spec]
All-Japan GT C'ship: Suzuki GSX R/4 [200 A-spec]

France: 206 Cup: 206 RC? [200 A-spec] Max? hp

Germany
A3 Cup: Audi A3 [153 A-spec] New; New oil; N1 tyres
1 Series Trophy: 120i [176 A-spec]
Speedster Trophy: Speedster [200 A-spec] Max hp

Japan
Copen Race: Copen Active Top [187 A-spec] Old oil; N1 tyres; 200 ballast
Midget II Race: Midet II [152 A-spec] Old oil; N1 tyres; 200 ballast
Type-R Meeting: Accord Euro R [200 A-spec]
Isuzu Sports: Isuzu Coupe [176 A-spec] Old oil; N1 tyres; 200 ballast
Race of Red Emblem: Skyline 2000 Turbo '84 [200 A-spec]
March Brothers: Nissan Pao [200 A-spec]
March Brothers: Nissan Cube [200 A-spec] [Not Suzuka]

USA
Corvette Festival: Convertible (C1) '54 [200 A-spec]
Crossfire Trophy: Crossfire [154 A-spec] Min hp; New oil
Shelby Cobra Cup: Cobra 427 [200 A-spec]

SC Hall Hard
Tsukuba Circuit: Impreza Spec C GD [200 A-spec] Max hp
Tsukuba Circuit: Lotus 111R [200 A-spec] Max hp

 

[route_66]

Nice work Moloch thanks.

Super Speedway Enduro? Now Deondre's pointed it out, this ones a bugger, best I'm managing is 125pts in a stock Playstation Pesky.
Everything else (modded TVR Speed 12, ZZ-II, Cien, Ford GT LM, Mclaren F1, R390) gets thrashed. Toyota Gt-One? Anyone got a good score for this?

EDIT: Man, this is really irritating. Win a race against Group-C LM cars, with less power, more weight and less downforce. On a track with 2 corners. The Pesky gets 125pts and it can only win because it's tires don't wear out. Anything less than Max downforce=thrashed. Anything under 800hp=thrashed. Anything over 900kg=thrashed. Also, it's soooooo dull. Oval racing is only any good with 400 cars on the track all hitting each other all the time and even then it's pretty bad. Stupid Speedway. Oh well. I'll settle for 125 then.
Even my black R390 that did so well in the GTWC

 

[vipersan]

add in american hall - old muscle cars:

I used corvette convertible (C1) '54. Added Stage 1 NA upgrade, racing chip and racing muffler for power, NOS, used sports medium tyres, semi racing suspension and better brakes. And depending on the opposition added a bit of weight if necessary or even took of chip or muffler. Just restart the race, if you have Shelby 427 (Cobra) in opposition, because you can't get it. It starts in fornt, progresses really quick to front and is gone. Also if you have Buick '62 in line-up, zero weight and all thre power mods should do it with some great driving. But be carefull on the straights.

I also tried all american championship with RS200 Rally Car, added only possible thing - stage 3 turbo, lowered car and a bit of weight. Can win first race with extreme difficulty if I get to front in first lap and hold the lead all the way. Esperante and Oreca Viper are a bit faster but if you drive on line and push hard they just can't get past, unless you make a mistake. But I just couldn't complete whole 5 perfect laps last night. Allways did something small and lost the lead. Will try to find another car.

 

[yeti]

Mazda
NA Roadster Cup

I bought a 89 MX5 and powered it up to full and won these races with ease and got lots of A-spec points... I suspect dropping some of the power on this and you should still be able to win and get the 200... I detailed this in this thread. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=61192

My minimums were 91 A-spec points... I reckon using some of the tips here with the front tyres and removing some of the power and leaving the weight on this car will easily get you the 200.

C.

 

[Deondre]

I got a buttload of A Spec Points (anywhere from 147-175) when I took my S.S Trueno to the Race of the Turbo comp. New York is HARD to win though with the top end problems of this car mixed with the crappy acceleration, but I got it done!

 

[Messiah]

I've been trying to make a note of the points I've got for each race and the car that was used.

Dodge Ram, Toyota Tacoma & Ford whatsitsname are pretty useful for getting 200 points. I tried using the PT Cruiser in the FF category and earned about 160 points per race (anyone suggest an alternative).

So far have 200 points in each of the following categories -

Beginner Hall - Sunday Cup, FR Challenge, 4WD Challenge, Sporttruck series
Professional Hall - Clubman Cup
Japanese Hall - First series (sorry can't remember name!)
Special Condition Hall - First 2 events on easy + Tsukuba wet.

Am I right in thinking that only Power & Weight affect your points? (and the opponent cars?)

 

[oceantech]

I was playing with Super Speedway Enduro last night in order to try out the tires trick mentioned earlier, here are the results so far:

1) The tire swap only allows you to change your normal tires to sport tires - but not Race tires! (DRAT). This is still a considerable A-spec boost, but I found i couldn't get a combination that helped me to actually win after I changed tires.

I also found that on this course, I could actually keep reasonably competitive (within ~1-2 laps of the leader) if I didn't pit right away, but rather I ran the first 35-37 laps on the N1/N3 combination I started with, then changed during the first pit stop. I found I got higher speeds by "wall riding" on the corners rather than trying to slow down and take each corner cleanly. This of course, made the distances longer so the overall effect on my lap times were not that great (probably because it was a higher speed but greater distance therefore not much gain in lap times).

Unfortunately, even after the tire change my speeds didn't go up appreciably - even with the better tires - and I couldn't win, or even gain anything on the leaders.

Also - it seemed that if I added power (Stage 4 turbo) - all I really did was kick into a different class of competition (same field but maybe also with Stage 4 turbo added ?) so I was just about the same distance behind, but with fewer A-spec points at stake.

The Pescy's (I tried both) appeared to be good bets & I noticed the AI cars were waiting until lap 47-48 before their first pit stop. I don't know how they manage to get this kind of mileage - they must be running on fumes.

The Audi A8 might be a good bet as well - I didn't try this.

I tried:

A new Nissan race car (from the 1000km Fuji race)
My black 787B race car - no luck (mine is wildly uncontrollable)
My black - Toyota GT1 - no luck (lots of shake and rumble with this one)
My white Pescy' (best bet so far)
My Green Pescy' (not that great)

I changed a pile of settings and tuning to see if anything might help - so far nothing.

I also tried some stock cars to see if they could handle the corners any better - I used a souped up ZZII - and got waxed.

I wanted to try the '70 Toyota 7 race car - this one might be a good bet. Does anyone know where you get one of these? Edit: never mind - its the prize car for completing the mission hall races 25-29 - Sigh - I guess I'll have to work on finishing these.

 

[route_66]

Super Speedway Enduro - Managed 151pts - Black R390 Gt1, chassis refresh, R1 tires, NOS, no pitting and muchos wall riding. Man I feel cheap.
I'm thinking this might be a no 200pt situation, especially as it throws up some odd combinations - TVR Speed 12 with wing only gets 109pts despite getting obliterated. The toyota 7 is still a maybe, but at a guess it's probably too light to get good points.

 

[oceantech]

I've been trying to make a note of the points I've got for each race and the car that was used.

Dodge Ram, Toyota Tacoma & Ford whatsitsname are pretty useful for getting 200 points. I tried using the PT Cruiser in the FF category and earned about 160 points per race (anyone suggest an alternative).

So far have 200 points in each of the following categories -

Beginner Hall - Sunday Cup, FR Challenge, 4WD Challenge, Sporttruck series
Professional Hall - Clubman Cup
Japanese Hall - First series (sorry can't remember name!)
Special Condition Hall - First 2 events on easy + Tsukuba wet.

Am I right in thinking that only Power & Weight affect your points? (and the opponent cars?)

I have completed all the Special Conditions Races for 200 points each - mostly in the Dodge Ram (an A-spec monster & great on both dirt and snow/ice) so they are all achievable 200 pointers. (If a crumby driver like me can do it then anyone can, it just takes lots of patience).