200pt A-spec races

[bigjoe]

Great topic!!!

Old Man: Speedster races get you 198 to 200 points with all upgrades. If you get 198, then just add a bit of weight to get those magic 200.

Yep and you can get 200 by running the non-turbo Speedster with no turbo upgrade. Just a Tune up 3 (and everything else but Nos, of course). Makes an interesting race...

 

[Gentry Coach]

I've used the '54 Corvette Convertable (S-2's, Stage 1 NA) to get 200 pts on most of the races in Professional Hall Clubman Cup. It drives like a dream. The only real challenge was Seoul (too many straights) but I finally won by .188 seconds.

 

[GrandpaLonghair]

I`ll throw one into the mix. An `85 RX-7 with filthy oil, Racing hard tires, racing flywheel, triple plate clutch, brakes, driveshaft, customizable diff, nitrous, stage 1 weight reduction, & body refresher. This`ll easily win the "RE" club thing at the Mazda dealership. Then add everything else(didn`t use body rigidty mod), Tweak the engine mods to either 270 or 280 HP depending on the race, & enter it in the Race of Turbo thing, although it took some difficulty to win on the 80`s Fuji track with my craptacular driving. Oh, the tires need to be soft sports too.

P.S.- This all assumes you can tune as competently as me, which isn`t saying much.

 

[Messiah]

One thing I find annoying (and I'm sure it's not just me) is that there is nothing to tell you what A-Spec points you have for a race without entering and then quitting - I'd don't want to do this and harm my win ratio so end up doing the race anyway...

I'm going to compile a spreadsheet to make note of my points for each race - it could take a while - Has anyone made one already?

 

[nismofreak]

Found another high A-spec points race! 👍

In the Benz Manufacture's race the SL Challenge. Take a bone stock (no oil) SL 500 (R129) '98 and run it in El Capitan. This is the first one that I did so I don't know if it is possible to be competitive on the other courses.

With that car, you get 195 points!
I would assume that if you use S1 tyres up front, you should be able to get the full 200 points but I haven't tried it yet.

For me this one was hard! I won by 0.1xx secs and I had to block the AMG SL 65 that was catching me up.

Good luck!

 

[route_66]

Another one - Honda HSC at New York Enduro. N1 tires to start, change to N3 at first Pit. 200pts.

RANT/ Making these competitive races is really showing up how bad the AI is. You notice less when you're miles ahead/miles behind, but coming down the straight at New York half a second up means that EVERY time you brake the 2nd place guy will ram you into the wall, since the AI line seems to involve plowing into the walls at the end of the straights and I'd rather make the Apexs thanks! It also shows how much dodgy stuff is going on......400+hp elises? errr.....and some unreal AI laptimes - at the start of this race I was doing 1:50.xxx laps on green tires and was 2 seconds down, so I tried a bit harder, pulled 1:48.xxx then 1:47.xxx in the next two laps. Five seconds faster, should be a couple in front right? Nope. The AI matched my increase exactly and stayed EXACTLY 2 seconds ahead, now I wouldn't mind if I didn't then get spanked into a wall next lap, only manage a 1:54.xx and STILL be 2 Seconds Behind! STUPID AI. /END RANT.

scuse me. got a bit overheated there.

 

[Gentry Coach]

Just wondering what's the most A-Spec points anyone has gotten in the races in the World Championship (Professional Hall) as that series was somewhat competitive.

 

[hispeed]

Quite a lot of those 200-races now.

If those of you who have made High A-spec points with stock cars (pref. 140+) could be so kind to post stats in my thread I sure would appreciate it a lot.
Here's the thread: http://gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=62070

I'm making a database of stock cars able to win races, the worse weight/power ratio and the higher A-spec points the better. Only stock + oil shift allowed.

 

[Shentar]

In the Special Conditions Hall, I raced in the Normal difficulty Tsukuba Wet Race with a stock Subaru Impreza 22b. The opponent car is the Mercedes MacLaren SLR. I think I won by 3 or 4 seconds and it gives you 200 Aspec points

 

[oceantech]

I`ll throw one into the mix. An `85 RX-7 with filthy oil, Racing hard tires, racing flywheel, triple plate clutch, brakes, driveshaft, customizable diff, nitrous, stage 1 weight reduction, & body refresher. This`ll easily win the "RE" club thing at the Mazda dealership. Then add everything else(didn`t use body rigidty mod), Tweak the engine mods to either 270 or 280 HP depending on the race, & enter it in the Race of Turbo thing, although it took some difficulty to win on the 80`s Fuji track with my craptacular driving. Oh, the tires need to be soft sports too.

P.S.- This all assumes you can tune as competently as me, which isn`t saying much.

Sounds like fun, but how many A-spec points? Normally when you end up having to use racing tires it drastically lowers the A-spec total, unless your competition is so fast you have room to tune up the underdog.

If you got the magic 200 A-spec points using this setup, your competition must have been pretty formidable.

...

I played around last night in:

KOREA

manufacturers race - Hyundai Cup

This one seems to be another "clipped" race. There are only 4 cars allowed (as far as I can tell) but the field was always the same for me - 5 Tiberons.

This car seems to be the lowest power (~179 HP new as I recall) and so should generate the highest A-spec points. I had to buy one new and the highest A-spec total I could create was for 149 A-spec points. I won two of the 5 races at the 149 A-spec level, but the other three were very hard, so I "wimped out" and beat the rest using the next level up tire combo (hard/medium) and won around 95 A-spec points for the next three races.

So - in conclusion - the Hyundai race presently has a working max of 149 A-spec points - maybe this can be made higher when/if I can get my new car old enough to get dirty oil & lower the HP, assuming I can still win the race at that point.

The three other races may be very hard to beat using the "worst" combination for the car - one of the courses is Hong Kong, a real pain.

 

[GrandpaLonghair]

Sounds like fun, but how many A-spec points? Normally when you end up having to use racing tires it drastically lowers the A-spec total, unless your competition is so fast you have room to tune up the underdog.

If you got the magic 200 A-spec points using this setup, your competition must have been pretty formidable.

...
Sorry for the confusion. The point was supposed to be that you`ll get 200 points per race using this particular car.

 

[Doug Vader]

great idea Route ...

I'll summarize some of the info from my earlier post here on the new thread and some other info as well.

1) A-spec points earned in Arcade mode do not add to your A-spec total in GT mode.

2) Max theoretical total = 113,100 A-spec points (but probably less)

3) A-spec points DO NOT go above 200 per race - except for Driving Missions (they are 250 A-spec points per race)

4) A-spec points for family cup and City track races count for 200 A-spec points TOTAL in the game.

5) Races where it is (so far) impossible to get 200 A-spec points:

a) Audi A3 manufacturers race (using worst tires but w/ clean oil, low mileage car) = 153 A-spec points (and won) - no info yet on dirty oil effect on A-spec points, but expect points to go up.

b) Chysler Crossfire manufacturers race (worst possible but with clean oil) = 154 A-spec points (and won) - no info yet on A-spec points using dirty oil

c) BMW 1 Series Trophy (manufacturers race) = 176 A-spec points (and won). Note that the A-spec points will change depending on the make up of the field even though there are only two types of car. Max A-spec earned using the i-model and having 4 d-model BMW's in the field. Unknown if its possible to get 5 d-model BMW's in the field, if so, A-spec points will probably go up to 184.

6) Races where it is known to be possible to get 200 A-spec points:

a) every dirt/snow track
b) every beginners cup race
c) The Shelby series cup


more Monday if I get a chance to review my records.

A modded up Suzuki GSX R/4 will win at Tsukuba (hard) in special conditions races for a quick 200 pts.s every time....275 hp vs 800+hp will do that....it's a blast racing it too. The GSX handles like a dream in there.

 

[Phil McCavity]

i used my Chevy 'Vette Z06 C2 race car '63... just added stage 4 turbo (849 bhp)and set tranny to 18.... won the "Like the Wind" in extreme (= 200 "a" spec pts)

 

[Moloch_horridus]

Summary:
Beginner Hall: Sunday Cup [200 A-spec] Yaris: 70 hp
Beginner Hall: FF Challenge [200 A-spec] Lupo
Beginner Hall: FF Challenge [200 A-spec] Yaris: some ballast
Beginner Hall: FR Challenge [200 A-spec] Ginetta G4?
Beginner Hall: 4WD Challenge [200 A-spec] Dodge RAM 1500
Beginner Hall: Sport Truck Race [200 A-spec] Dodge RAM 1500

Professional Hall: Clubman Cup [200 A-spec] '54 Veltte: S2 tyres; NA1 induction
Professional Hall: Race of NA Sports [180 A-spec] S2000
Professional Hall: Race of Turbo Sports [200 A-spec] Speedster Turbo: 260 hp; S2 tyres; T1 induction; ? exhaust
Professional Hall: Race of Turbo Sports [147-175 A-spec] Trueno (AE86) S.S.
Professional Hall: Race of Turbo Sports [200 A-spec] '85 RX-7: 280 hp; Used; Old oil; R1 tyres; BRP; WR1; NOS ; Drivetrain/Suspension: All
Professional Hall: Boxer Spirit [200 A-spec] Legacy B4 Blitzen
Professional Hall: World Compact Car Race [200 A-spec] Cappuccino: 87 hp; N3 tyres
Professional Hall: Gran Turismo World C'ship [200 A-spec] R390 GT1: Used; 50 ballast

Extreme Hall: Like the Wind [200 A-spec] Vette Z06 C2 Race Car '63: T4 induction; Drivetrain/Suspension: RT

American Hall: Stars & Stripes [200 A-spec] Ford RS200 Road Car: Stock hp
American Hall: Muscle Car Grand Prix [200 A-spec] Ford RS200 Road Car: Stock hp
American Hall: Old Muscle Car Grand Prix [200 A-spec] '54 Corvette: S2 tyres; NA1 induction; R exhaust; Chip; NOS ; Drivetrain/Suspension: Yes; +/- ballast; [No 427 Cobra]

European Hall: British GT Car Cup [200 A-spec] Jaguar S-Type R: Mild + hp
European Hall: British GT Car Cup [200 A-spec] Elise 190: Max hp
European Hall: Schwarzwald League B [200 A-spec] Audi S4: N2 tyres; 200 ballast

Japanese Hall: Japanese Championship [200 A-spec] ASL Garaiya
Japanese Hall: All-Japan GT C'ship [200 A-spec] Suzuki GSX R/4
Japanese Hall: Japanese 80's Festival [200? A-spec] MX5: <Max hp; [Unconfirmed]

France: 206 Cup [200 A-spec] 206 RC?: Max? hp

Germany: A3 Cup [153 A-spec] Audi A3: New; New oil; N1 tyres
Germany: 1 Series Trophy [176 A-spec] 120i
Germany: SL Challenge [200 A-spec] SL 500 (R129) '98 : New; No oil; S1 tyres
Germany: Speedster Trophy [200 A-spec] Speedster: Max hp

Japan: Copen Race [187 A-spec] Copen Active Top: Old oil; N1 tyres; 200 ballast
Japan: Midget II Race [152 A-spec] Midet II: Old oil; N1 tyres; 200 ballast
Japan: Type-R Meeting [200 A-spec] Accord Euro R
Japan: Isuzu Sports [176 A-spec] Isuzu Coupe: Old oil; N1 tyres; 200 ballast
Japan: Group "RE" [200 A-spec] '85 RX-7: Used; Old oil; R1 tyres; BRP; WR1; NOS ; Drivetrain/Suspension: All
Japan: Roadster Cup [200? A-spec] MX5: <Max hp; [Unconfirmed]
Japan: RX-8 Cup [187 A-spec] RX-8: No oil; N1 tyres; 200 ballast
Japan: Race of Red Emblem [200 A-spec] Skyline 2000 Turbo '84
Japan: March Brothers [200 A-spec] Nissan Pao
Japan: March Brothers [200 A-spec] Nissan Cube: [Not Suzuka]

Korea: Hyundai Sports Festival [149 A-spec] Tiberon: New; No oil; N1 tyres; [Only some races]

USA: Corvette Festival [200 A-spec] Convertible (C1) '54
USA: Crossfire Trophy [154 A-spec] Crossfire: Min hp; New oil
USA: Shelby Cobra Cup [200 A-spec] Cobra 427

Endurance Hall: New York Streets 200 miles [200 A-spec] Honda HSC : N1 (start) tyres
Endurance Hall: Nurburgring 24 Hours [167 A-spec] BMW 320i touring: R1 tyres
Endurance Hall: Sarthe Circuit II 24 Hours [170 A-spec] Nissan R390 GT1: R1/R2 tyres
Endurance Hall: Super Speedway 150 [125 A-spec] PS Pescarolo C60: Stock hp
Endurance Hall: Super Speedway 150 [151 A-spec] R390 GT1: Used; R1 tyres; CRP, NOS ; [Wall riding]

SC Hall: All [200 A-spec] Dodge RAM 1500: ++ hp
SC Hall Hard: Tsukuba Circuit [200 A-spec] Impreza Spec C GD: Max hp
SC Hall Hard: Tsukuba Circuit [200 A-spec] Lotus 111R: Max hp

 

[jdw]

WOW!

A friend of mine pointed this thread out to me since he knows I've been working on a detailed A-spec FAQ for some time now. You guys are certainly much farther along than I am. 100 heads is much better than 1!

I have a couple contributions (which probably have already been covered but...)

FF - Mini Cooper (stock) gave a couple 200p wins
4WD - Mistubishi 3000GT (stock w/oil change) 199p for all but Fuji
MR - MGF '97 + S3s - 199p for 2 of the races
Supercar - 180-190s for M3 GTR + chip + NA2
GT World - Black 787B (oil changed) + R1s - 200s
Like the Wind - Cerbera Speed 12 + T4, R1s and tranny to 17 = 200p
Premium Sports = M3 BTR + PP (NA1 on a couple) for 196/197
Pan Euro - M3 GTR + NA1, RC for 162
Shelby - Series 1 200p
Peugeot 206 - racing muffler, chip, NA3 + R3s - 200p
Opel Speedster - DUH!
Mirage Cup - Cyborg + S3s for 152/161
Grand Valley Endurance - 179 w/ Subaru Touring Car w/R1s
Laguna Endurance - 195 w/BMW M3 GTR + chip, NA1, R1s
El Cap Endurance - 135 w/405hp STi (chip, racing muffler, T2)

Never qualified, never used nitrous (just personal preference), etc...


Would anyone be willing to take a peek at the FAQ I've composed and provide feedback? The Beta copy is pretty much done. I have a detailed grid for 90% of the races now, a summary A-spec sheet, a blank A-spec sheet for people to work with, random bits of advice, and will have some specific A-spec experiments

I don't think if I should just post it here since it's already 2400 lines, but I could send it to any interested reviewers.

I'd certainly appreciate some feedback and any contributions people are willing to make (properly credited of course!)

 

[nismofreak]

Just an update on the SL Challenge, running with the stock SL 500 on the other two tracks won't cut it.... There is just too many long straights on the other two tracks. The stock gearing blows!

Will try with a custom tranny and see it that makes the car more competitive.

 

[Moloch_horridus]

[

Would anyone be willing to take a peek at the FAQ I've composed and provide feedback? The Beta copy is pretty much done. I have a detailed grid for 90% of the races now, a summary A-spec sheet, a blank A-spec sheet for people to work with, random bits of advice, and will have some specific A-spec experiments

I don't think if I should just post it here since it's already 2400 lines, but I could send it to any interested reviewers.

I'd certainly appreciate some feedback and any contributions people are willing to make (properly credited of course!)

I'd like to have a look - have sent private message with address.

 

[vipersan]

jdw: I could take a look and helpf if I can. PM me.

Molloch_Horridus: I wrote higher up my contributions for Beginners Hall (which I completed with 200pts races), and you skipped it in summary - MR challenge, light cars, 4WD, FR, ... . Just a small re-cap:

FR Challenge [200pts] - MX5, 120HP + chip + race muffler + semi racing suspension + weight
4WD Challenge [200pts] - Celica GT Four (St185), sport or n1 tyres + weight
Lightweight Cup [180+pts] - Daihatsu Move 55HP
Lightweight Cup [200pts] - Honda Life Van 30HP+, race muffler + chip + little weight. hard!
Spider and roadster [200pts] - MX5, 120HP + chip + race muffler + semi racing suspension, if needed add bit of weight, quite hard
MR Championship [200pts] - 1985 MR2 + race muffler + chip, very hard, watch out for NSX

 

[Drifting Thunda]

200 pts. from Extreme Races - Like the Wind in a '97 Supra RZ modded to your heart's content.

Easiest 200 pt race I've done.

 

[yeti]

200 pts. from Extreme Races - Like the Wind in a '97 Supra RZ modded to your heart's content.

Easiest 200 pt race I've done.

Like the Wind is always easy when the computer is about... he thinks he needs to pit... us mortals just run on Reds and they easily defeat the really harsh bends!!

C.

 

[Drifting Thunda]

Most of them didn't pit when I did it. But what the hell did I care I was going 270+ mph...

 

[oceantech]

I`ll throw one into the mix. An `85 RX-7 with filthy oil, Racing hard tires, racing flywheel, triple plate clutch, brakes, driveshaft, customizable diff, nitrous, stage 1 weight reduction, & body refresher. This`ll easily win the "RE" club thing at the Mazda dealership. Then add everything else(didn`t use body rigidty mod), Tweak the engine mods to either 270 or 280 HP depending on the race, & enter it in the Race of Turbo thing, although it took some difficulty to win on the 80`s Fuji track with my craptacular driving. Oh, the tires need to be soft sports too.

P.S.- This all assumes you can tune as competently as me, which isn`t saying much.

hey Grandpa ...

thanks for the suggestion - I tried this series last night with a few different cars, including the Bathurst - it was too powerful to generate the 200 A-spec points I was after, but I love driving that car so thought I'd give it a try.

In the end I used an old RX-7, and tuned it appropriately. Still fun to drive & got the 200 A-spec points as you suggested - thanks.

Then i turned my attention back to the Chrysler Crossfire to see if I could find a way to lower the cars HP and thereby generate more A-spec points in the Crossfire series.

This is a one make race and so far the maximum possible A-spec points possible seems to be 154, but this was earned using a new car at 218HP, the only model available.

My theory is that as the car ages and the oil gets dirty, the HP should go down, and so the maximum in this race may go up, but what is the correlation between mileage and HP loss??

There was no way around it but to start running the Crossfire in a bunch of races & then enter some endurance races to get the mileage up.

So, I won a few other races after maxxing out the HP and entering some very competitive races in the American Series. Fun but not much mileage.

So before retiring I thought I would throw away an endurance race on B-spec that the Crossfire could run (& lose). I looked around and, just for fun tried it in the El Capitan in A-spec just to see how badly it would lose to the Pagani Zonda & the rest of the field.

The race was rated at 200 A-spec points, not really a surprise there - but what was a surprise was that I was able to drive the Crossfire quickly through the field and into a lead (a little NOS helped at first but it wasn't that necessaary for the rest of the race).

I tried getting about 7-8 laps in with about a 10-12 second lead and then pitting so I could let my B-spec driver finish & presumably win.

Alas - my B-spec driver is a total weenie and was never able to drive aggressively enough to get back into contention - in fact he was losing ground staedily.

So - and this is really dumb - I started "just before bed" an A-spec endurance just to test the competitiveness of a tire/pitting strategy before quitting and going to sleep.

Finally at 2am I found myself neck&neck with the lead car (a TVR Speed 12 I think) going into the last 10-12 laps of the 66 lap race.

It was a battle from start to finish.

My tire choice was Race Hard/Medium or Hard/Soft after some experimentation this seemed to give the best chance at winning.

It was unusual because I usually go for the hardest tires and try and "out pit" the competition - this strategy didn't seem to be working though, whereas the softer tires gave me great speed and cornering & I was able to build up quite a good lead on the field before having to pit.

At the end of the race - I choked & abandoned the strategy that had kept me in the race (dumb I know) and tried to hold off the TVR on worn tires (yellow only) for the last 5-6 laps without pitting as I knew he wasn't going to pit again and I only had about a 10-12 sec lead.

He blew past me as my tires wore out and my lap times dropped in the last three laps. I had to pit on the last lap just to keep second place.

After that I knew how it felt to be a "dumb" AI driver.

Anyway, the good news is that this Enduro is definitely winnable at the 200 A-spec level and should be a fun race for people to try - I'll definitely be back at it again.

 

[jdw]

Lightweight Cup [180+pts] - Daihatsu Move 55HP
Lightweight Cup [200pts] - Honda Life Van 30HP+, race muffler + chip + little weight. hard!

Awesome... do you have any idea what your competition was? Was the Move pure stock?

I tried the Move and, after 10 tries, wasn't offered above 118p (which there was no way I could win). [shrug]

But I do have another Lighweight Cup 200p - A Daihatsu Midget II with Nitrous and N3s will do it (stock still only gave me 182p!). Think it's 32hp. It was the first time I ever tried Nitrous, something I usually don't do. But, there's something damn funny about chasing down cars in a Midget II spraying Nitrous the whole time

 

[GrandpaLonghair]

One thing I find annoying (and I'm sure it's not just me) is that there is nothing to tell you what A-Spec points you have for a race without entering and then quitting - I'd don't want to do this and harm my win ratio so end up doing the race anyway...

I'm going to compile a spreadsheet to make note of my points for each race - it could take a while - Has anyone made one already?

I agree it`s a big hassle to enter a race, discover you`re 1 or 199 points shy of 200, reset, fart around with the car, reenter the race, & repeat ad nauseum `till you`re pissed and start bashing the PS2, the wall, controller, cat, or throw crap across the room & in 4 or 5 days of steady play you`ve added .3% to your game completion status as your only accomplishment. I`ve been there, and it sucks. You`d be best off choosing either max A-spec points or a perfect w/l ratio, it`s much too frustrating to try for both. My w/l ratio is well under 100%, my B-spec driver saw to that.Anyway, just a suggestion 👍.

 

[PaleRider]

Just took a -74 Lancer GSR rally-car to Tuning-cars & El Capitan; gave it eneginetuning stage 3 (219hp) and won the 200points-race without too much trouble. (favorite track!)
Just to show those AI-guys who`s the boss I won at Aprikot and Fuji Speedway too, at Aprikot I "cheated" by using nitro at the straight. But they killed me in Tokyo, too fast for the old rally-car

 

[jdw]

Have a new one... and an almost 200...

FR Challenge - 200p for MX-5 Miata 1800RS '00 w/NA1 + Racing Muffler + Non-power upgrades. Traded the Racing Muffler for S3 tires on Tsukuba
vs. Z4, Crossfire, S2000, SL500 and Infini III
Spider & Roadster - 180p for Lotus Elise Type 72 (stock)
vs MR2 GT-S, Elise '00, 350Z Roadster, Opel Speedster and Fiat Barchetta

 

[deadboy1975]

One thing I find annoying (and I'm sure it's not just me) is that there is nothing to tell you what A-Spec points you have for a race without entering and then quitting - I'd don't want to do this and harm my win ratio so end up doing the race anyway...

its not something that annoys me, but then I like driving as many cars as possible, and so far I've still not harmed my win ratio still at a agreeable 100%

only 3 races left and the begineer hall is 200 a-spec points complete

I'm going to compile a spreadsheet to make note of my points for each race - it could take a while - Has anyone made one already?

I was toying with the same idea myself, but since I only play about 45 mins a day, gt5 will be out before I would finish it.

 

[Messiah]

Done a spreadsheet now

Compiled the list of races from Maskrider's original list, but have added multiple races for each event. eg There are Sunday Cup 1, Sunday Cup 2... etc

Still Compiling it at the moment but too far off completion

Column 1 - Hall (eg Beginner, Pro, Endurance etc)
Column 2 - Events (Sunday Cup 1, Sunday Cup 2...)
Column 3 - Circuit
Column 4 - Car used
Column 5 - Points won
Column 6 - Cars as recommended by gtplanet.

I can sort it by points won & events list - but needs fine tuning.

I've also been renaming the races to their PAL names...

 

[deadboy1975]

Done a spreadsheet now

Compiled the list of races from Maskrider's original list, but have added multiple races for each event. eg There are Sunday Cup 1, Sunday Cup 2... etc

Still Compiling it at the moment but too far off completion

Column 1 - Hall (eg Beginner, Pro, Endurance etc)
Column 2 - Events (Sunday Cup 1, Sunday Cup 2...)
Column 3 - Circuit
Column 4 - Car used
Column 5 - Points won
Column 6 - Cars as recommended by gtplanet.

I can sort it by points won & events list - but needs fine tuning.

I've also been renaming the races to their PAL names...

dude, up load it

cheers

 

[Messiah]

Will do later when I've corrected my spelling mistakes!

Will have to find somewhere to host it too...